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    How Low Thiamine Can Thin Villi: Old Research Rediscovered and its Clinical Significance in Celiac Disease

    Reviewed and edited by a celiac disease expert.

    Perhaps a thiamine deficiency is one of the overall environmental triggers of celiac disease in those who have the genetic disposition?

    How Low Thiamine Can Thin Villi: Old Research Rediscovered and its Clinical Significance in Celiac Disease - The Japanese navy and army discovered the need to enrich diets with B vitamins. Image: CC BY 2.0--waitscm
    Caption: The Japanese navy and army discovered the need to enrich diets with B vitamins. Image: CC BY 2.0--waitscm

    Celiac.com 02/29/2020 - It has been a long and winding road, and around each curve something new has been discovered. I have learned more than I ever thought there was to know about celiac disease. I am forever grateful for having received a celiac diagnosis because it was on that day that I began my journey back to health.

    On my first day of diagnosis I set out to find out as much as possible about this seemingly rare, but obviously complicated disease. My diagnosis answered a lot of questions for me, yet I was also struck by how many new questions arose.

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    What was the trigger for celiac disease, of course gluten played a part, but what in my past history put me over the edge? What had changed? Did the doctors know so little about the trigger for celiac disease that it was only now becoming clinically identifiable?

    My last article was an attempt to explain how genetics and environment intersect in celiac disease, but I may have gotten part of it wrong, in part because the International Journal of Celiac Disease (IJCD) got it wrong (at least in my case they did).

    After the IJCD cited Pellagra in celiacs at a 58% percent rate, I piled on the bandwagon. Quoting “The two diseases can be connected in two aspects. 58% of pellagra patients were shown to have malabsorption and many had intestinal pathology on biopsies.” But we were both wrong I now believe—hold onto that 58% thought, as it will come up later—and I think it's important in helping to confirm my new theory.

    So where did my pellagra position go wrong? I chose the capstone, pellagra, and not the cornerstone, which may actually be thiamine (B1), and this is easier to do than you might imagine. These diseases have diffuse symptom’s common in their pathogenesis, and only testing can confirm my high suspicion that I may have had undiagnosed, or misdiagnosed, beriberi. Beriberi is is caused by low thiamine (B1).

    I recently came across research that is 30+ years old that establishes, in mammal’s at least, a trigger for thinning villi titled “Effect of dietary thiamin deficiency on intestinal functions in rats.” To quote from the research “The activities of brush border sucrase, lactase, maltase, alkaline phosphatase, and leucine aminopeptidase were reduced by 42 to 66% in thiamine deficiency, compared to pair-fed controls. Kinetic studies with sucrase and alkaline phosphatase evinced that a decrease in Vmax (61 and 64%, respectively) with no change in Km (33.8 and 4.3 mM, respectively) was responsible for observed impairment in the enzyme activities in thiamine deficiency.”

    This research leads me to believe that the lactose intolerance so common in those with celiac disease may actually be triggered by thiamine deficiency.

    I had many of the symptom’s of beriberi, but since I was not in a concentration camp or was not an alcoholic the clinical suspicion was not high enough to have me tested for a thiamine deficiency, despite thiamine and other B vitamins deficiencies that are common in celiac disease.

    Unfortunately even going on a gluten-free diet does not always correct B vitamin deficiencies, and thiamine, niacin and riboflavin deficiencies have been excluded from most celiac disease studies. One study entitled  “Evidence of poor vitamin status in Celiac patients on a gluten-free diet for 10 years" shows that such deficiencies can continue long after diagnosis.

    Another study entitled “Vitamin and Mineral Deficiencies Are Highly Prevalent in Newly Diagnosed Celiac Disease Patients” says: “Almost all celiac disease-patients (87%) had at least one value below the lower limit of reference.” Testing for certain vitamin deficiencies is standard care following a celiac disease diagnosis, however levels of thiamine (B1), niacin (B3) and riboflavin (B2) are not usually part of a standard screening.

    It is my hope from reading this that you are alerted to possible B vitamin deficiencies so that you can ask your doctor to have your levels checked, especially if you have been recently diagnosed, or are still struggling with diffuse symptoms years later, for example fatigue, muscle cramps, tingling in your feet and hands, burning feet syndrome, worse at night, etc.

    You may still be low in thiamine, riboflavin and/or niacin, and doctors often overlook screening for these deficiencies in celiac disease.

    Celiac Disease is a Genetic Disease with an Environmental Trigger

    This is where B vitamins come in, as they help us make energy and regulate our environment at the cellular level. It is a 50/50 equation of stress vs. environment combined with genetics, and this can be a hard concept to understand because many people believe that it's all due to DNA.

    Research from December 2019 entitled “DNA Has Relatively Little Say in Disease Risk (Usually)” says: “In fact, for such (most) diseases, the genetic contribution to disease risk is just 5–10%. There are diseases, however, for which the genetic contribution is about 40–50%. These diseases include Crohn’s disease, celiac disease, and macular degeneration.”

    B Vitamins, Especially Thiamine (B1), Could be the Missing Pieces to the Puzzle

    Via the Parasympathetic Nervous System (PNS) the neurotransmitter "acetylcholine" regulates our organ functions throughout the body, and could be why both undiagnosed celiac disease and beriberi affect so many organs in the body. Without enough thiamine our body can’t synthesize enough acetylcholine to regulate it’s organs, which may cause the body to go into high alert mode and trigger a runaway auto-immune reaction like celiac disease. Another study shows a connection with the microvilli that line organs and how they can trigger auto-immune reactions throughout the body.

    What about that 58% I mentioned earlier? It happens to be the same rate that Japanese sailors developed beriberi, which is what you would expect to find when someone relies on too many carbs, including too much rice or wheat in their diets. It's possible that when the carb happens to be wheat this deficiency could trigger celiac disease, a disease that was discovered by Willem-Karel Dicke in the post WWII Netherlands, or present itself as beriberi when one only eats rice.

    It took 20 years and countless deaths before the Japanese army discovered what the Japanese navy had learned 20 years earlier, and this article on the “Barley Baron” supports why there is a strong need to enrich gluten-free bread with B vitamins, exactly as regular wheat bread is enriched. According to this article, "(w)e now know that beriberi stems from a lack of vitamin B1, which the body requires for metabolizing carbohydrates and maintaining neurological functions. Without it, a person succumbs to nerve damage and eventually death."

    So, perhaps a thiamine deficiency is one of the overall environmental triggers of celiac disease in those who have the genetic disposition? Could beriberi trigger celiac disease in susceptible individuals? Hopefully more research will be done to determine this, but in the meantime, get your thiamine levels checked!

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    I'd like to add, I was able to reverse pellagra symptoms and I can now finally eat corn for the first time in my life without any ill side effects!! My whole life I was told I had corn intolerance. But not anymore. I also healed Beriberi that I had lifelong as well as leaky gut. Its been really amazing to be able to feel this good for the first time in my life.

    And in reply to Lena, I can relate. A crumb of wheat used to put me down for 8 to 12 weeks, during that time Id become bedridden and even hospitalized. Now if I accidently have wheat, and for the same reasons you mentioned, For instance I ate some homemade chicken at a relatives home and usually they are really good about accommodating me, but this time slipped and I should have asked but hadn't about the spices used, and I definitely got some reaction to it, but not nearly as bad as in the past! Just a couple days of feeling heavily fatigued and some minor gallbladder pain, but that was it. I was able to quickly bounce back.  

    And posterboy, If you have a chance to read into Karen Hurds work, shes a nutritionist out of Wisconsin, I highly recommend it. I bet it would add to your arsenal of great material. 

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    I so believe this.  
    I’ve struggled for years since dumping the gluten.  Trying so many things yet not ever being able to solve the digestive issues.

    However, in realising that a bout of awful gas, bloating & gastritis may have been ‘Gastrointestinal Beriberi’ & taking Benfotiamine only to have it all start to calm down within 2 days has made me realise I’ve probably been Thiamine deficient for years.

    Even in my 20’s - over 40 years ago - long before dumping the wheat, eating carbs would wipe me out.  I only now realise it’s because in having to process the carbs, any Thiamine I was getting was being hijacked from energy (ATP) production & my digestion was having to draw the energy.

    My mother, T1 diabetic & lifelong anaemic was not diagnosed with Celiac until 4 weeks before she died, when it was way too late to reverse the damage, I now recognise was also severely Thiamine deficient all her life.  It may well have been the Thiamine deficiency that drove her diabetes, anaemia, awful fertility issues (me, followed by a stillbirth, followed by 10 miscarriages) & of course, the Celiac.

    Having been taking the Benfotiamine (& the other B vitamins) diligently now for around 5 months, my digestion has been improving week by week.  I am now able to eat foods my digestion couldn’t cope with 6 months ago, so I am really seeing the benefits.  I never thought I was Thiamine deficient because I had never found - until I chanced across the reference to Gastrointestinal Beriberi- any link between Thiamine & digestive issues or Diabetes.

    The ‘Understanding Mitochondrial Nutrients’ group on FB, Hormones Matter website, & Elliot Overton (eonutrition on YT) all are good resources on Thiamine deficiency.

     

     

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    Wheatwacked

    Thanks for sharing and I am sorry for the loss of your mother.  Nothing hurts more than knowing after the fact.

    You should also evaluate your intake of Iodine and Choline in regards to pregnancy and miscarriages, breast cancer (low iodine) and high homocysteine, a marker of vascular inflamation from low choline.

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    On 7/21/2021 at 5:43 PM, Guest nicolemaried1894 said:

    And posterboy, If you have a chance to read into Karen Hurds work, shes a nutritionist out of Wisconsin, I highly recommend it. I bet it would add to your arsenal of great material. 

    I second that.  I’ve been on the Bean Protocol for about 3 weeks & am really benefitting.  It’s early days, but I have high hopes.  Plus I love beans…..😁

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    41 minutes ago, Wheatwacked said:

    Thanks for sharing and I am sorry for the loss of your mother.  Nothing hurts more than knowing after the fact.

    You should also evaluate your intake of Iodine and Choline in regards to pregnancy and miscarriages, breast cancer (low iodine) and high homocysteine, a marker of vascular inflamation from low choline.

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    I do ensure I get enough of those too, but I’m a bit over the hill now as far a the pregnancy thing is concerned……😁

    Mum died 22 years ago but I so wish I’d known back then what I now know about Thiamine, B12 & the other B vitamins - & nutrition in general.  She (and my Dad) might still be alive…….

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    9 hours ago, Guest AliB said:

    Having been taking the Benfotiamine (& the other B vitamins) diligently now for around 5 months, my digestion has been improving week by week.  I am now able to eat foods my digestion couldn’t cope with 6 months ago, so I am really seeing the benefits.  I never thought I was Thiamine deficient because I had never found - until I chanced across the reference to Gastrointestinal Beriberi- any link between Thiamine & digestive issues or Diabetes.

    The ‘Understanding Mitochondrial Nutrients’ group on FB, Hormones Matter website, & Elliot Overton (eonutrition on YT) all are good resources on Thiamine deficiency.

    AliB,

    I am not surprised!  Many people feel better when they get the right nutrients in their body.....it can heal itself.....but it needs the right nutrients to do so!

    Here is a Posterboy blog post you might enjoy reading.

    People can't win a "Two Front" war.....and why appropriate and proper supplementation is key often to those still suffering GI symptoms on a Gluten free diet....

    If would you like to read some more of my other Posterboy blog posts on Celiac.com visit the blog section.

    I have written 20+ Posterboy blog post with people like yourself in mind.  I was that same "Starfish" once....

    See poem by Loren Eiseley...

    Here is the link to all my blog post(s).......I think you will enjoy reading them if you found this article helpful.

    Good luck on your continued  journey!  But it sounds now like you are well own your way!

    This article explains how Fiber can boos the health of the Colon.....IE your Beans Protocol etc.

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    It is based on the receptor for Tryptophan in the GI Tract.....

    Where they found out recently that eating Tryptophan rich foods can help heal a Celiac's villi.

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    I could go own but I think I have given you enough info for now to point you in the right direction.

    Many Celiac's will develop Pseudo Pellagra like symptom's IE GI problems etc. when they get low in their B-Vitamins and Tryptophan!

    I hope this is helpful but it is not medical advice.

    2 Timothy 2: 7 “Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things” this included.

    posterboy by the Grace of God,

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    On 3/9/2020 at 3:28 AM, Guest Simon Saunders said:

    I have been researching thiamine for a number of years, its a very deep rabbit hole. I have hundreds of studies on the subject, but in regards to blood testing, it can be very misleading as you need a special type of blood test to determine blood concentration, and the protocols in restoring thiamine status in a deficiency is a whole different kettle of fish. 

    For information from the a doctor who is the world expert on this issue have a listen to this interview i mocked together with him as he is in his late 90's while he still writes books on the subject, his work needs to become more well known.

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    Can you please kindly share the name of the doctor?

    The episode doesn't exist anymore... 

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    On 9/13/2022 at 11:14 AM, Guest Question said:

    Can you please kindly share the name of the doctor?

    The episode doesn't exist anymore... 

    Guest Question,

    They were talking about Dr. Derrick Lonsdale.

    Him and Dr. Chandler Marrs wrote the book "Thiamine Deficiency Disease, Dysautonomia, and High Calorie Malnutrition"

    Here is a nice article that explains the many ways a Thiamine deficiency shows up in "Systemic Disease".

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    I hope this is helpful but it is not medical advice.

    Good luck on your continue journey(s)  in life.

    Posterboy,

    ETA: The are the Doctor's behind most of what is written on the website Hormones Matter.

    Here is an example of their many articles on a Thiamine Deficiency and how it often presents as GI problems like Constipation, SIBO and IBS etc.

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    Celiac16

    @PosterboyThanks for the article - it definitely helped when I was looking into thiamine and niacin for celiacs. Interesting too is that schizophrenia has been linked with undiagnosed celiacs and in orthomolecular therapy is treated like pellagra with high dose niacin. 
    I have supplemented with both and have benefited from them… they are kind of counterparts in terms of blood sugar though (b1 lowers and b3 raises so they are good together... b2 and b6 also lower bg so you can’t single any out…)

    I have gone down the rabbit hole of researching the effects of these and other nutrient deficiencies and think that although it isn’t accepted as mainstream, the “orthomolecular” approach makes sense. I wish I had started supplements when I was diagnosed bc I was still so sick.

    i am currently doing the low carb diet (under 20g) with high fat and protein and green veges and find it is the most healing for me. I was getting nausea and dizziness after eating, especially any carbs. Thiamine, b6 (p5p), and b2 have helped a lot. I don’t do b3 anymore bc I want to keep my glucose low and it was causing nausea ( I rely on meat to supply it instead).

    Read a lot on Dr Constantini and Lonsdale, along with many case reports on pub-med on the ramifications of low thiamine.

    I cycle through thiamine bc it is supposed to also excrete metals (manganese, chromium, and other good ones also with bad ie cadmium, lead, etc) due to its sulfur content… 

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    The most common nutrient deficiencies associated with celiac disease that may lead to testing for the condition include iron, vitamin D, folate (vitamin B9), vitamin B12, calcium, zinc, and magnesium.  Unfortunately many doctors, including my own doctor at the time, don't do extensive follow up testing for a broad range of nutrient deficiencies, nor recommend that those just diagnosed with celiac disease take a broad spectrum vitamin/mineral supplement, which would greatly benefit most, if not all, newly diagnosed celiacs. 

     

     

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    On 4/16/2024 at 7:14 PM, Celiac16 said:

    Thanks for the article - it definitely helped when I was looking into thiamine and niacin for celiacs. Interesting too is that schizophrenia has been linked with undiagnosed celiacs and in orthomolecular therapy is treated like pellagra with high dose niacin. 

    Celiac16,

    It is good to hear the article is still helping people even after 4+ years after I wrote it!

    It is a blessing to know it helped you!

    Speaking about Schizophrenia here is an article that theorized that Schizophrenia's rooted in a Vitamin deficiency.

    https://scitechdaily.com/some-people-with-schizophrenia-may-simply-have-a-vitamin-deficiency/

    I had theorized this before it was published in 2019 but it was nice to see other researchers arrive at the same conclusion.  

    Here are some other blog posts I wrote that might help.

    I wrote them to help others just like yourself.  Those still searching for answers the doctor's didn't have the answers too......for me or others like yourself.

    I knew I wouldn't always be around to answer questions.....so the blog posts stand as wayfaring signs to help people find the Vitamin path back to health.   Again, I am glad the article helped.

    @knitty kitty on this form can be very helpful too you. She knows her Vitamins and especially Thiamine and the B-Complex's.

    Orthomolecular medicine.....IE Supplementation with Vitamins can help us (often) when modern medicine which ignores Vitamin (generally speaking) can't help us.

    It is much more a 50/50 proposition than most doctors are willing to admit.

    P.S. For your Diabetes take some Chromium Poly it will help your Blood sugar it did mine!

    I hope this is helpful, but it is not medical advice.

    2 Tim 2:7 “Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things” this included.

    Posterboy by the grace of God,

     

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