Anyone Ever Been Glutened By Ground Beef?

[GottaSki]

I agree completely Scott, There is cut and dry answer. yes pure ground beef is gluten free  but unless you see them grind it    after pulling the grinder out of a sterilizer, there is no guarantee.  As for labeling  I can't trust. Small local stores dont follow the same rules as big companies even if they are supposed too.  For those of us who have been glutened by  cross contamination and mislabeling from ground beef and other items have good reason not to rust labeling. As for laws that say  things must be labeled, yes there are laws. Does   everyone follow them? Not at all.  I wont put my health at risk by believing a blanket statement that all ground beef is safe unless I grind it myself.

 

How do you grind your own...I remember Mom had a metal meat grinder that you cranked by hand...scared the crap out of me when I was young, but have considered grinding my own -- more for cost rather than fear of CC.

 

To original poster -- I've only been gotten once by ground chicken and that was at a market that does make meatloaves in three varieties and stuffs alot of other meat and fish to sell ready to pop in the oven.  They have since changed their practices after 'someone' talked to the store manager, head butcher and every new assistant butcher in the place since it happened

[kenlove]

Vegan for 5 years without meat but 50% of my time is as a chef, sometimes at the Four Seasons so I have to cook a lot of things. 

 

>>Do not rely on the government to do your thinking for you with labeling laws...<<

truest thing I've heard in awhile!

 

Aren't you a vegan, Ken?    Or is there such a thing as a meat eating vegan these days? 

 

After reading this thread, all I can say is that those of you who fear a gluten hit from plain ground beef bought from a reputable butcher or grocery store with good handling practices, just stop eating it.  Or instead of arguing with those trying to give you the correct information on something that's a no brainer to figure out anyway, go buy a good Celiac book and educate yourself. That's how to get past all the fear and uncertainty you might have regarding this diet. Learn.  Do not rely on the government to do your thinking for you with labeling laws, although I know they will be helpful to some, it is still you responsibility to educate yourself on how to manage this diet successfully.

 

Now off I go to fire up the grill and have me some freshly ground bison burgers.......

[kenlove]

there are a number of ways to  grind your own if you have  either the  old metal one that scared you ( I have my great  grandfathers)  or  kitchen aid mixer with attachment ( you can make your own sausage with it too) or a champion juicer with attachement.  Being vegan I dont make it on my machines at home but I do have to teach a few charcuterie classes each year and use school kitchen aid machines.

How do you grind your own...I remember Mom had a metal meat grinder that you cranked by hand...scared the crap out of me when I was young, but have considered grinding my own -- more for cost rather than fear of CC.

 

To original poster -- I've only been gotten once by ground chicken and that was at a market that does make meatloaves in three varieties and stuffs alot of other meat and fish to sell ready to pop in the oven.  They have since changed their practices after 'someone' talked to the store manager, head butcher and every new assistant butcher in the place since it happened

[GottaSki]

there are a number of ways to  grind your own if you have  either the  old metal one that scared you ( I have my great  grandfathers)  or  kitchen aid mixer with attachment ( you can make your own sausage with it too) or a champion juicer with attachement.  Being vegan I dont make it on my machines at home but I do have to teach a few charcuterie classes each year and use school kitchen aid machines.

 

Thanks Ken

[IrishHeart]

Well, then, sadly  Jules Shepherd and the American Celiac Alliance and everyone else who worked tirelessly on getting the Gluten Free Labeling Law passed  for the benefit of celiacs and NCGSers alike will be thrilled to know that some people think the labels are worth crap.

 

Anyone can read a label--it's common sense!!!... but some of you are saying even if there is no wheat or gluten product listed on the label, it can *still*

be a problem because you just do not trust the way plain ground beef is packaged. (well, that's up to you, of course.) To each his/her own I always say. 

 

So now what? raise the cattle, butcher the animal yourself, then grind it?.... because that is about the only way any of you think it's going

to be "safe" enough.  

 

Best wishes, all. I'm out. Truly. 

[kenlove]

Blind faith is never good especially when it comes to labels that govern issues about our health. This forum is filled with members who think exactly that, the labels are worth very very little.  No one should discount others beliefs one way or another. If you want to put your trust in labels thats fine for you. For the rest of us we look at things differently but dont tell us its wrong, its just different and we have the experience to prove it.  

[across]

I've only been here a short time, but two ideologies seem to be prevalent around here. One ideology trusts in empirical, well-researched, current medical thinking. The other takes a more skeptical view of standard medicine and may give more credence to to anecdotal experience (both theirs, and that of others) and to alternative medicine.

 

I think that in some cases the second group (into which I fall, BTW) may be a bit more skeptical because we have been burned in the past by traditional medicine. Many of the health improvements I've experienced haven't come as a result of traditional medicine, but as a result of anecdotal help I've received from talking to others, searching the web, etc. I realize that this makes me laughable to some, but I've received enough help from listening to others' experiences that I don't care.

 

When it comes to things like this thread, these two ideologies can wind up clashing. Those who trust labels, etc., trust. And those who don't, don't. All of us are dealing with things the best we can. What I wish is that both groups would one another a little slack. Trying to navigate all this is hard enough already.

 

I realize I'm generalizing here. Please don't be offended if my categories don't quite fit your situation.

[across]

Sorry...I realize my post above is off-topic. It's just something that has been on my mind, and for some reason it surfaced in this thread.

[Gemini]

I've only been here a short time, but two ideologies seem to be prevalent around here. One ideology trusts in empirical, well-researched, current medical thinking. The other takes a more skeptical view of standard medicine and may give more credence to to anecdotal experience (both theirs, and that of others) and to alternative medicine.

 

I think that in some cases the second group (into which I fall, BTW) may be a bit more skeptical because we have been burned in the past by traditional medicine. Many of the health improvements I've experienced haven't come as a result of traditional medicine, but as a result of anecdotal help I've received from talking to others, searching the web, etc. I realize that this makes me laughable to some, but I've received enough help from listening to others' experiences that I don't care.

 

When it comes to things like this thread, these two ideologies can wind up clashing. Those who trust labels, etc., trust. And those who don't, don't. All of us are dealing with things the best we can. What I wish is that both groups would one another a little slack. Trying to navigate all this is hard enough already.

 

I realize I'm generalizing here. Please don't be offended if my categories don't quite fit your situation.

I don't think learning to read a label correctly has anything to do with trust issues.  There really is a learning curve with Label Reading 101 and if industry continually screwed it up and had allergens in a food source that was undisclosed, people would be getting sick all the time (and it isn't all about Celiac, either) and that is not happening.  Truth is, I am sure it can and does happen but not on the epic scale some people think.  There are so many other reasons why people with food allergies and intolerances react to food and it may or may not have anything to do with their individual problem. Most of the mistakes or questions I see here lately are either from learning that still needs to happen or

learning from the wrong sources.  The ones that perpetuate urban myths about where gluten is.  Because it is there in some places and not hidden because it would have to be declared.

 

CC is a whole 'nother issue and that's why every food store I have ever been to in my area has disclaimers now about allergy issues and cc. Right up front where it's easy to see. It's up to you, as the consumer, to have a look and see if there is any chance of something cc'ing the food you want, in the case where it sits. Ask questions.

 

I am not against labeling laws but I also have never had trouble figuring out what was safe for me to eat in any situation.  When in doubt, eat something else. If newer labeling makes things easier, fine, but you still are going to have to learn about this diet and use your head to figure things out. I have been doing this for a very long time and it does become second nature and should get tremendously easier. And if the unthinkable happens and you sustain a hit, lesson learned and move on. It won't happen nearly as often the longer you do this.

[kenlove]

 It was well said and for me, on topic.

 

Sorry...I realize my post above is off-topic. It's just something that has been on my mind, and for some reason it surfaced in this thread.

[dilettantesteph]

I think that people want very badly to feel certain that their diet is safe.