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News: Celiac.com: Why Is the Vatican So Obsessed With Gluten?

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Scott Adams Grand Master
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If it's really the body of Christ, what does it matter if it's gluten free? .... conversation about gluten is the recent uptick in celiac disease and gluten ...

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Jmg Mentor
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I wonder if they assigned that particular journalist by chance or if someone in the editors office has a wicked sense of humour? :D

Ennis-TX Grand Master
Ennis-TX
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Going to be honest this article puts a humorous spin on the topic taking the thorns out the the issues and identifying several key issues. I for one agree do we even know what kind of bread they used at the last supper? Does it matter if it contains gluten, I mean the pastor/priest etc. blessing said bread and the transubstantiation  for all rights and purposes of symbolism does it really  matter? It is then a symbolization of Jesus body, and when consumed in that representations in holy communions serves its purpose.  I get the pope says it has to contain gluten for some reason, but my take is to follow my beliefs, I am not a HARDCORE religious person, I follow the Methodist teaching, and take communion at least once a month, I bring a bland unleavened nut based bread to my pastor before the service and have it blessed, I am not the only one who does this and infact this month I am the one providing the bread to another celiac family new to  our church for the communion. Seems word got around lol. Anyway back to the the article another point I would like to point out is how wheat is every different now days then it was back then. IF they want to do it but the ASSUMED thought that it was a wheat based bread then using kamut flour (Do we even know what kind of wheat they used?) would be more practical then bread made with bleached white flour from a genetically modified by science wheat that we have today.....Just saying people need to take a step back sometimes after it all settles down and put stuff in logical 3rd party perspectives with a detachment to the issue (something I was taught by my psychologist for dealing with my autism) It is actually quite humorous viewing all this and I love the wording in this article. 

kymbp Newbie
kymbp
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As a Catholic who is fairly well-educated in her faith, let me explain. The bread must be made from wheat and the wine from grapes. This is because of the symbolism of the wheat grain and grapes are from clusters. It's a from many, one symbolism. We are unique, yet unified in God. We are separate beings in a particular time and place, and yet unified during Transubstantiation to a single place and time with Christ, the disciples, and every other person who has ever or will ever participate in the Eucharist.

As a Catholic, the Eucharist is sacred to me not only because it unites me with Christ, but also, for a moment, I am with my sister and my grandmother and all my other Catholic relatives who have died.

It is vital to Catholics, but, sadly, many Catholics do not understand the dogma and do not realize that one's presence is enough to participate. It is nice to receive the host or wine, but not essential.  As a Celiac, I take the blessing and the wine. It has never been a problem for me.

i am very happy to know that the low gluten hosts are an option for me. I might request that for special occasions.

 

Jays911 Contributor
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The nuns from the Convent in Clyde, Missouri make a low gluten host (17 ppm) that is used here in Omaha.  If low gluten hosts are not available, I simply take the cup. Gluten is called for by canon law (because Christ used wheat bread of some sort), as is wine, which was also used at the Last Supper.

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