Extreme bloat HELP!

[Brandi1969]

Are any of you really bloated despite being gluten free?  My abdomen is very hard/distended. After a year of no gluten, my other celiac symptoms have greatly improved but this hasn’t improved at all. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 

[pikakegirl]

I had a naropath do a stool analysis and found i had no bifida bacterium. After taking high quality probiotics the bloat and gas were much better when eating leafy greens and fruits. Beans can be a culprit. Soy seems to be added to everything now. I dont do dairy for inflamation reasons.

[Brandi1969]

13 minutes ago, pikakegirl said:

I had a naropath do a stool analysis and found i had no bifida bacterium. After taking high quality probiotics the bloat and gas were much better when eating leafy greens and fruits. Beans can be a culprit. Soy seems to be added to everything now. I dont do dairy for inflamation reasons.

Ok, I’ll try a probiotic. I already avoid dairy and soy. Hopefully it will help. Thanks!

[Posterboy]

1 hour ago, Brandi1969 said:

Are any of you really bloated despite being gluten free?  My abdomen is very hard/distended. After a year of no gluten, my other celiac symptoms have greatly improved but this hasn’t improved at all. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 

Brandi1969,

Carbs/Sugars as they break down ferment turning into gases causing your bloating quoting Ennistx verbatim and I agree!

You can try going low CARB aka Keto or try taking some BetaineHCL to stoke up your digestive fires.

I will provide some links that list simple home tests and one that provides doctor supervised testing.

Bloating is common with Low Stomach acid.

See this ChateLaine article.

https://www.chatelaine.com/health/diet/bloated-low-stomach-acid-may-be-the-cause/

The easiest way to do this at home though least scientific way is the Baking Soda test to see if you burp from it.

See this article that list 5 ways to test your stomach acid levels including medical tests to confirm what the baking soda tests indicates.

https://drjockers.com/5-ways-test-stomach-acid-levels/

If you fail the baking soda test the easiest self testing is to try taking some BetaineHCL to see if it helps your bloating.  I suggest 3 or 4 BetaineHCL capsules with a glass or two of water (or tea/juice if you prefer) after you have begun eating.  It should not be soda because soda's will burp on their own from carbonation.

3 or 4 at  meal is not as high you think it might be. .. it tends to be in the goldilocks zone of not being too little . ..but not too much either.

See this article about the simple test of using BetaineHCL for low stomach acid.

http://hansacenter.com/simple-at-home-test-for-low-stomach-acid/

quoting read the whole article and these other links when you get a chance. . .but I am highlighting the high points.

quoting below from the hansacenter

"To perform this (baking soda) test: mix one quarter teaspoon of baking soda in eight ounces of cold water, first thing in the morning, before eating or drinking anything except water. Drink the baking soda solution. Time how long it takes to belch. Time up to five minutes. If you have not belched within five minutes stop timing anyway.

If your stomach is producing adequate amounts of hydrochloric acid you should probably belch within two to three minutes. Early and repeated belching may be due to excessive stomach acid. Belching results from the acid and baking soda reacting to form carbon dioxide gas. The Heidelberg or Gastrocap tests can be employed for confirmation of the results of this test.

I also look for signs and symptoms of low stomach acid. There are many laboratory test indicators of this condition. Some of these include deficiencies of amino acids, minerals, B vitamins, (My words Vitamin D, Magnesium, Iron, B-12 etc.) and, on digestive analysis, elevated levels of putrefactive short chain fatty acids in the stool.

I like to have patients (clinician at hanasacenter) do a therapeutic trial with supplemental betaine HCL. (hydrochloric acid) If you take Betaine HCL after a meal and feel nothing, your stomach is probably not producing enough hydrochloric acid. A normal response to taking betaine HCL is a feeling of warmth in the stomach.

For an individual whose hydrochloric acid levels are lacking, I have them gradually work up to supplementing as many as 5 Betaine HCL capsules after meals. Although this may sound like a lot, in response to a very big meal, a healthy stomach produces the equivalent of at least 14 betaine HCL capsules. For optimal results, the protein digesting enzyme, pepsin, should be part of the betaine HCL formulation."

I hope this is helpful but It is  not medical advice.

I used to take BetaineHCL capsules to improve my digestion because my stomach acid was not strong to digest carbs fast enough to keeep them from fermenting into gases causing severe bloating.

If this works right you can taper off the BetaineHCL capsules after a few months.

Here are two reference works on this topic.  Low stomach acid is known as Hypochloridia and NO stomach acid is known as Achloridia.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4991651/

notice their figure one about how fast the patient felt better after beginning to take BeatineHCL capsules.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4991651/figure/f1-49-53/?report=objectonly

Also see this research theorizing why we develop low stomach acid in first place leading to severe bloating if left untreated.

http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/2001/articles/2001-v16n04-p225.shtml

good luck on your continued journey.

***** Again this is not medical advice but I hope it is helpful.

I only know it helped me.

As always “Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things” 2 Timothy 2:7 this included.

Posterboy by the grace of God,

 

[Brandi1969]

14 hours ago, Posterboy said:

Brandi1969,

Carbs/Sugars as they break down ferment turning into gases causing your bloating quoting Ennistx verbatim and I agree!

You can try going low CARB aka Keto or try taking some BetaineHCL to stoke up your digestive fires.

I will provide some links that list simple home tests and one that provides doctor supervised testing.

Bloating is common with Low Stomach acid.

See this ChateLaine article.

Open Original Shared Link

The easiest way to do this at home though least scientific way is the Baking Soda test to see if you burp from it.

See this article that list 5 ways to test your stomach acid levels including medical tests to confirm what the baking soda tests indicates.

Open Original Shared Link

If you fail the baking soda test the easiest self testing is to try taking some BetaineHCL to see if it helps your bloating.  I suggest 3 or 4 BetaineHCL capsules with a glass or two of water (or tea/juice if you prefer) after you have begun eating.  It should not be soda because soda's will burp on their own from carbonation.

3 or 4 at  meal is not as high you think it might be. .. it tends to be in the goldilocks zone of not being too little . ..but not too much either.

See this article about the simple test of using BetaineHCL for low stomach acid.

Open Original Shared Link

quoting read the whole article and these other links when you get a chance. . .but I am highlighting the high points.

quoting below from the hansacenter

"To perform this (baking soda) test: mix one quarter teaspoon of baking soda in eight ounces of cold water, first thing in the morning, before eating or drinking anything except water. Drink the baking soda solution. Time how long it takes to belch. Time up to five minutes. If you have not belched within five minutes stop timing anyway.

If your stomach is producing adequate amounts of hydrochloric acid you should probably belch within two to three minutes. Early and repeated belching may be due to excessive stomach acid. Belching results from the acid and baking soda reacting to form carbon dioxide gas. The Heidelberg or Gastrocap tests can be employed for confirmation of the results of this test.

I also look for signs and symptoms of low stomach acid. There are many laboratory test indicators of this condition. Some of these include deficiencies of amino acids, minerals, B vitamins, (My words Vitamin D, Magnesium, Iron, B-12 etc.) and, on digestive analysis, elevated levels of putrefactive short chain fatty acids in the stool.

I like to have patients (clinician at hanasacenter) do a therapeutic trial with supplemental betaine HCL. (hydrochloric acid) If you take Betaine HCL after a meal and feel nothing, your stomach is probably not producing enough hydrochloric acid. A normal response to taking betaine HCL is a feeling of warmth in the stomach.

For an individual whose hydrochloric acid levels are lacking, I have them gradually work up to supplementing as many as 5 Betaine HCL capsules after meals. Although this may sound like a lot, in response to a very big meal, a healthy stomach produces the equivalent of at least 14 betaine HCL capsules. For optimal results, the protein digesting enzyme, pepsin, should be part of the betaine HCL formulation."

I hope this is helpful but It is  not medical advice.

I used to take BetaineHCL capsules to improve my digestion because my stomach acid was not strong to digest carbs fast enough to keeep them from fermenting into gases causing severe bloating.

If this works right you can taper off the BetaineHCL capsules after a few months.

Here are two reference works on this topic.  Low stomach acid is known as Hypochloridia and NO stomach acid is known as Achloridia.

Open Original Shared Link

notice their figure one about how fast the patient felt better after beginning to take BeatineHCL capsules.

Open Original Shared Link

Also see this research theorizing why we develop low stomach acid in first place leading to severe bloating if left untreated.

Open Original Shared Link

good luck on your continued journey.

***** Again this is not medical advice but I hope it is helpful.

I only know it helped me.

As always “Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things” 2 Timothy 2:7 this included.

Posterboy by the grace of God,

 

Posterboy,

uh, WOW! Thank you SO much!  I will absolutely read all the links and do the baking soda test. I am floored by all the info you provided. WOW!!! I have been wondering about low acid. I have unbelievable acid reflux, even after having surgery to correct it. I’ve heard it isn’t necessarily because of too much acid, but could possibly be because of too little. I had no idea I could test for that at home. Thank you again for all the help, I really appreciate it.

[Brandi1969]

On 7/20/2018 at 10:13 PM, Posterboy said:

Brandi1969,

Carbs/Sugars as they break down ferment turning into gases causing your bloating quoting Ennistx verbatim and I agree!

You can try going low CARB aka Keto or try taking some BetaineHCL to stoke up your digestive fires.

I will provide some links that list simple home tests and one that provides doctor supervised testing.

Bloating is common with Low Stomach acid.

See this ChateLaine article.

Open Original Shared Link

The easiest way to do this at home though least scientific way is the Baking Soda test to see if you burp from it.

See this article that list 5 ways to test your stomach acid levels including medical tests to confirm what the baking soda tests indicates.

Open Original Shared Link

If you fail the baking soda test the easiest self testing is to try taking some BetaineHCL to see if it helps your bloating.  I suggest 3 or 4 BetaineHCL capsules with a glass or two of water (or tea/juice if you prefer) after you have begun eating.  It should not be soda because soda's will burp on their own from carbonation.

3 or 4 at  meal is not as high you think it might be. .. it tends to be in the goldilocks zone of not being too little . ..but not too much either.

See this article about the simple test of using BetaineHCL for low stomach acid.

Open Original Shared Link

quoting read the whole article and these other links when you get a chance. . .but I am highlighting the high points.

quoting below from the hansacenter

"To perform this (baking soda) test: mix one quarter teaspoon of baking soda in eight ounces of cold water, first thing in the morning, before eating or drinking anything except water. Drink the baking soda solution. Time how long it takes to belch. Time up to five minutes. If you have not belched within five minutes stop timing anyway.

If your stomach is producing adequate amounts of hydrochloric acid you should probably belch within two to three minutes. Early and repeated belching may be due to excessive stomach acid. Belching results from the acid and baking soda reacting to form carbon dioxide gas. The Heidelberg or Gastrocap tests can be employed for confirmation of the results of this test.

I also look for signs and symptoms of low stomach acid. There are many laboratory test indicators of this condition. Some of these include deficiencies of amino acids, minerals, B vitamins, (My words Vitamin D, Magnesium, Iron, B-12 etc.) and, on digestive analysis, elevated levels of putrefactive short chain fatty acids in the stool.

I like to have patients (clinician at hanasacenter) do a therapeutic trial with supplemental betaine HCL. (hydrochloric acid) If you take Betaine HCL after a meal and feel nothing, your stomach is probably not producing enough hydrochloric acid. A normal response to taking betaine HCL is a feeling of warmth in the stomach.

For an individual whose hydrochloric acid levels are lacking, I have them gradually work up to supplementing as many as 5 Betaine HCL capsules after meals. Although this may sound like a lot, in response to a very big meal, a healthy stomach produces the equivalent of at least 14 betaine HCL capsules. For optimal results, the protein digesting enzyme, pepsin, should be part of the betaine HCL formulation."

I hope this is helpful but It is  not medical advice.

I used to take BetaineHCL capsules to improve my digestion because my stomach acid was not strong to digest carbs fast enough to keeep them from fermenting into gases causing severe bloating.

If this works right you can taper off the BetaineHCL capsules after a few months.

Here are two reference works on this topic.  Low stomach acid is known as Hypochloridia and NO stomach acid is known as Achloridia.

Open Original Shared Link

notice their figure one about how fast the patient felt better after beginning to take BeatineHCL capsules.

Open Original Shared Link

Also see this research theorizing why we develop low stomach acid in first place leading to severe bloating if left untreated.

Open Original Shared Link

good luck on your continued journey.

***** Again this is not medical advice but I hope it is helpful.

I only know it helped me.

As always “Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things” 2 Timothy 2:7 this included.

Posterboy by the grace of God,

 

Posterboy!

i did the baking soda test and didn’t burp until minute 17! So I got the Betaine HCL and it is like a miracle. I have suffered severe acid reflux for years and the betaine completely eliminated it. I still cannot believe how much better I am. I am still very bloated but I am hoping over time it will improve as well. Day 5 with no acid reflux thanks to you.