Candida infection or something else?

[knitty kitty]

Replenishing the vitamins is what will heal deficiencies.  

There are eight B vitamins.  They all work together.  It is unlikely to have a deficiency in just one of the B vitamins.  The B vitamins and Vitamin C are all water soluble and can be lost quickly. (B12 is the only one that can be stored for any length of time in the liver.)  Thiamine is often the first deficiency to manifest because the body needs it to provide energy if you're under stress, emotional stress (like worrying why you're not feeling well) or physical stress (if you're physically active, or work outside in hot weather,  or if you have an illness, or have diarrhea, constipation, or vomiting) or if you eat a high carbohydrate diet.  

Thiamine deficiency is tested by the erythrocyte transketolase test.  There are are tests for the other B vitamins, but those blood tests are not always accurate.  The body likes to keep a certain amount of B vitamins in the blood to supply the brain.  The body will rob the body's tissues and organs of their vitamins to supply the brain.  Blood tests may show acceptable blood levels, but they don't pick up on the lack of vitamins inside the tissues and organs.  

Thiamine needs a transporter to get inside the cells (sort of like a doorman has to let thiamine in.)  When there's a thiamine deficiency, the transporters quit working (the doormen fall asleep on the job.)  In order for the transporters to start working again, there has to be lots and lots of thiamine (like a mob storming the doors and waking up the doormen).  Once the transporters are working again, the high doses of thiamine can be reduced.  This is Dr. Lonsdale's high dose thiamine treatment that I followed and had wonderful results.  

Thiamine works with niacin and vitamin C (they need high doses, too).  Thiamine needs riboflavin (B2), and pyridoxine (B6) and biotin.  Pyridoxine needs folate, and folate needs B12.  So Dr. Lonsdale suggests taking a good B Complex in addition to the high doses of thiamine.  Dr. Hoffer suggests high doses of niacin and Vitamin C.  

Dr. Lonsdale's website.....

https://www.hormonesmatter.com/navigating-thiamine-supplements/

Dr. Hoffer's book....

https://m.barnesandnoble.com/w/niacin-abram-hoffer/1111989034

These are what helped me.  I'm not a doctor.  

You should discuss supplementing with your doctor.  I doubt the 5% of the B complex you took would affect the tests very much since you said you hadn't been taking them for the past month.  

Discuss supplementation with your doctor.  Keep us posted on your progress.

[knitty kitty]

Also, you may want to get your mineral levels checked.  Magnesium and iron deficiencies might be contributing to your symptoms, too.  Magnesium works with thiamine and the other B vitamins.  

[Ferguston]

I did read that erythrocyte transketolase test is good, but it's not available here. The only blood test I have here is this "thiamine pyrophosphate (TPP)", it's still better than the old thiamine serum test from what I've learned.

Also, I did see a difference in heat tolerance and my eyes not being so sensitive to light anymore. For a whole year, even now, I still have some heat sensitivity, can't tolerate it from time to time, also, the light sensitivity on and off. And those weird tingling that happen either in my lower back, sometimes in my legs, or finger tips, but not all the time, it's every couple of days. Do those sound like a B deficiency also?

I checked iron, magnesium, they all looked fine two months ago. The only things I did not check where my B vitamins, except for B12, and it's fine.

This also might explain why when I took magnesium supplement I felt worse, and the same for Vitamin D. They might be lacking in other nutrients, so the body might not use them properly.

[knitty kitty]

Yes!  Yes! Yes!

Magnesium works best with thiamine! Vitamin D needs other vitamins,too! 

I hope Plumbago watches it, too, because it explains her SVT.

😸

[knitty kitty]

P.S.  The World Health Organization has a field test for thiamine deficiency.  

They ask people to squat and then rise back to a standing position.  Going down into a squat shouldn't be a problem.  If you can't get back up, you're probably thiamine deficient.

This happened to me in the grocery store.  I squatted down to reach something on the bottom shelf and could not stand up again.  My muscles wouldn't work. (I'll save you from the long explanation.)  But not being able to rise from a squatting position indicates thiamine deficiency.

The editor wouldn't work, or I wouldn't have posted twice. Apologies.

 

[Ferguston]

This explains everything. I do have some symptoms of POTS (but no drop in pressure) or tachycardia, but it became better since I started going gluten free. And a lot of random unexplained symptoms, that appear and disappear. Also it explaines my heat sensitivity and why my blood pressure is out of whack. Sometimes I have 10/6, sometimes 13/8, and then 15/9, I float on the 13/8 most of the times.

The only thing is, I don't eat sugars and such bad things. I do eat healthy carbs, but, maybe because of bad absorption of vitamins, they act as almost empty calories.

I can't belive I've been to the ER last year for over 7 times and they did not took in consideration a vitamin deficiency, they even said it's "neurological", but of course, months running left and right proved I had no neurological problems, they even placed me on antidepressants for 6 months, the only thing that I bet made me feel better was me eating more meat and bad food like pizza, cold cuts and eggs that time. They should have started to ask themselves this the first time they gave me a xanax pill and it did not work, it did nothing. I had severe symptoms, shaking body, hard to speak, confusion, the medical system in my country is terrible and the people working inside it are monsters.

I did the squat test, I could rise up, no problem. But maybe there's a weird contraction in my muscles, can't tell.

[plumbago]

Vitamin complexity is a boon to those wanting a presence on the Internet. It is an endless giving well. Throw in a little criminally preventable and horrible national diet and there you have a fairly captive audience.

Your opinion may vary, I realize. But I believe I am allowed to push back on the linked video’s web site, which I intend to do.

I searched youtube for this video and I couldn’t find it, but I did find it on their web site. The name of the organization is Signs of the Times (SOTT). Among the positions they hold are the following: Facemasks Turn us Into Voiceless Submissives; Dr Mercola Interviews Denis Rancourt: 'There is no Scientific Evidence That Facemasks Inhibit Viral Spread'; Covid 19 only affects those who are older and have co-morbid conditions. And, needless to say, vaccines at the very least are overpromoted and lead to very bad things.

As for the video, if you want to skip right to the transcript, here it is
https://www.sott.net/article/400770-The-Health-Wellness-Show-The-Importance-of-Vitamin-B1-Thiamine

And here is the main nugget of it – since most of us are not (or are no longer) poor Southerners at the turn of the 20th century, rich Japanese, alcoholics, starvation victims, people suffering from anorexia nervosa it will still apply to you – “many people probably do suffer from subclinical thiamine deficiency and don't really know about it. So it needs to be understood that we come into contact with many different toxins. Many of us take medications or over-the-counter medications which are non-prescription which also have a negative effect on thiamine metabolism including anyone who consumes refined sugar or refined starches or even refined fats. These are all people who are at risk for thiamine deficiency.” And because malabsorption is a word commonly associated to celiac disease, then many people with celiac disease may think (or can be convinced) they have this deficiency.

OP just stated she does not consume processed carbohydrates, and can do the squat test.

Please understand, I think vitamins are important. I think we can become depleted of vitamins. I take certain supplements, but I measure them to the best of my and medicine’s ability in my blood first. I do as much deep, challenged reading as possible, and remain extremely skeptical of extreme opinions and opinions from people who do not think vaccines are helpful. That is red flag numero uno in my book. Sometimes it is necessary to be extreme, I fully realize this. Sometimes learning causes discomfort, I realize this too. But I try to draw the line at taking advice from people who believe in extreme conspiracy theories.

There is a tendency here to 1. think every symptom is extremely meaningful 2. to think we know the answer to solve that symptom 3. to chalk it up to some sort of deficiency and 4. Worrisomely, to advocate the taking of supplements. I do not think that we should be doing this (#4) on this site.

I do not have POTS.

In closing, here’s SOTT’s opinion on Covid-19:

"Western civilization, led by the US government and media, has embarked upon a campaign of mass psychological terrorism designed to cover for the collapsing economy, set up a new pretext for Wall Street's ongoing plunder expedition, radically escalate the police state, deeply traumatize people into submission to total social conformity, and radically aggravate the anti-social, anti-human atomization of the people. The pretext for this abomination is an epidemic which objectively is comparable to the seasonal flu and is caused by the same kind of Coronavirus we've endured so long without totalitarian rampages and mass insanity.

"Given that we know that COVID 19 is only a significant threat to the older people with co-morbidities, and that this is the section of the population most extensively vaccinated with flu vaccines, the correlation and the existing scientific evidence would seem to warrant further investigation."

  Plumbago

[Ferguston]

I remain sceptical on every information, but I do try to do my own research. I did not know what other things they are pushing, but the video did explain some things. If the anecdotal information of what is said is scientifically accurate, this can shine a light on why I feel how I feel.

I am well aware of the problems on the internet, "if this worked for me, this will work for you". But hey, some people are just that happy that it worked for them and it helped them, and they want to share it. It can be a double-edged sword for sure.

I do see a lot of red flags on that website, now that you mentioned it.

[knitty kitty]

Plumbago,

Earlier I did a Google search for Dr. Derrick Lonsdale.  This video came up. I watched the video.  "Elliott" discusses Dr. Lonsdale's book.  The information Elliott gives is accurate according to Dr. Lonsdale's book and Dr. Lonsdale's website.  

I repeated the search just now, and you are right.  That video does not come up on the same search or even on YouTube.  

I am not a proponent of that particular video's website of origin, Signs of the Times (SOTT).  .  I have never been to that website.  I know nothing about it.  I do not believe in the things you have stated they believe in.  

I apologize for not thoroughly researching that source.  I was enthusiastic about finding someone who could explain Dr. Lonsdale's work so eloquently.  As far as the information Elliott discusses on the video about Dr. Lonsdale's book, that is correct.

For you to discredit Dr. Lonsdale's work because some creepy website chose to do a video with accurate information is unjust. 

Again, the information about Dr. Lonsdale's scientifically proven research is correct.  

I have experienced thiamine deficiency due to malabsorption caused by Celiac Disease.  I have a university degree in Microbiology.  I understand the mechanisms Dr. Lonsdale discusses.  I am sorry you do not.  

For you to launch an ad hominem attack, is unwarranted, unjust and immature.  

You have the right to think what you like and believe what you like.  

So do I.  

Good day.

 

[plumbago]

You have deleted your posting with the video (I think you have - at least I can't find it any longer) so my comment doesn't really make sense without it, in terms of flow, ease of reading and sense.

Was my comment ad hominen? It's a close call, I can see why you thought so. However, calling someone immature thereby seeking to invalidate their argument is very definitely ad hominen and not appreciated.

What I said was "I believe I am allowed to push back on the linked video’s web site."

Quote

I understand the mechanisms Dr. Lonsdale discusses.  I am sorry you do not.  

You have no evidence I do not understand, that comment seems unwarranted (to me) and is not appreciated.

I stand by the rest of what I said.

Plumbago

[Posterboy]

Plumbago, Knitty Kitty and Ferguston,

I am going to start a new topic/thread about this discussion.

"What Role does  a Thiamine Deficiency if any play in a Celiac diagnosis"

Feel free to join me there.....so we don't overrun the Candida infection or something else thread....

It would also make it easier for future forum users to find this topic.

I would love to see what a thorough discussion about this topic might conclude.

Let me be clear.....I think, in part, at least in mammals......a Thiamine deficiency can Thin Villi in Celiac's.

Fergustion and Plumbago, see this article that Scott kindly let me publish/summarize my research on the topic.

 https://www.celiac.com/celiac-disease/how-low-thiamine-can-thin-villi-old-research-rediscovered-and-its-clinical-significance-in-celiac-disease-r5100/

I hope this is helpful but it is not medical advise.

Posterboy,

[Posterboy]

On 8/9/2020 at 2:00 PM, plumbago said:

You have no evidence I do not understand, that comment seems unwarranted (to me) and is not appreciated.

On 7/30/2020 at 8:18 AM, plumbago said:

Your opinion may vary, I realize. But I believe I am allowed to push back on the linked video’s web site, which I intend to do.

Plumbago,

As I understand your argument is against the website quoted and not the evidence for or against Thiamine.

Here is another link that explains a Thiamine deficiency well (Not Beri Beri).....which I think (from what I have read to this point and understand)....is when Thiamine levels' drop low enough to be clinically identifiable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNAKJgmirak&feature=youtu.be

Any thing short of the "Classic Triad" make a Thiamine deficiency unfortunately often overlooked and the Thiamine deficiency going un-diagnosed at which it is post mortem.....IE at death. 

As the above video notes using the Classic Triad 80% of Beri Beri or more appropriately probably it (a Thiamine deficiency) goes un-diagnosed until discovered upon autopsy...

See this study about how Thiamine supplementation lowers Cholesterol....

"Metabolic Benefits of Six-month Thiamine Supplementation in Patients With and Without Diabetes Mellitus Type 2"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24550684/

They noted quoting

"In all groups, there was a significant decrease in total cholesterol after three months (p = 0.03) as well as in HDL cholesterol after six months of thiamine supplementation (p = 0.009). Significant improvements were also observed in the mean serum levels of creatinine (p = 0.001), as well as thiamine and its derivatives in both serum and urinary levels across follow-up visits (p-values 0.002 and <0.001, respectively)."

All groups included diabetic and non diabetic patients Cholesterol levels improved.....

And all the doctor's could think about was pushing the latest statins.....instead of finding the underlying cause(s)....

After I took some Benfotiamine (a fat soluble) B1.....my Cholesterol level's got better....and have stayed better.

I didn't know Thiamine could help my high Cholesterol levels at the time...I was trying to help my Creatinine in my kidneys..... a typical complication of diabetic patients....it got better too!

A "Frustated Pharmacist" came to the same conclusion.

See this article about "Substituting Vitamins and Supplements for Pharmaceuticals
in Type 2 Diabetes"

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v08n19.shtml

 I hope this is helpful but it is not medical advise.

Posterboy,

[knitty kitty]

Plumbago, 

I apologize for offending you. 

I will be pleased to continue a discussion on thiamine on the thread Posterboy has so kindly started.  

Knitty Kitty