are you going to take the vaccine

[JD-New to Celiac]

RMJ - thank you for the post. I do not fall into the known cases of the clotting issue with J&J. I am a 58 year old male but in the past I have had bleeding issues after minor surgery and had trouble clotting. Ironically I opted for the J&J as I heard about the possible Pfizer vaccine death of the doctor in south Florida. Initially it was thought the vaccine prompted a condition that would not allow clotting so I decided J&J was my best option. I am now seven days since being vaccinated. I will call the PCP and thank you.

Knitty kitty - always love your posts. You would think if Celiac patients are prone to vitamin deficiencies and respiratory issues we would top the list as far as concerns with both the virus and vaccine.

I just hopped onto the thiamine regiment along with magnesium after reading another recent post. I do take other supplements as well. Great article.

[Posterboy]

2 hours ago, RMJ said:

I am currently listening to the CDC meeting discussing the thrombotic (clotting) side effects seen with the J&J vaccine.  Headache (severe), leg pain and shortness of breath are three of the symptoms of the new problem.  Please call/see your PCP, especially if you are a female between 18 and 48. The new side effect includes both clots and low platelet counts, the low platelet counts making this an unusual clotting disorder.  A simple blood test for platelet count could be very reassuring if it was normal.

RMJ et Al,

Somebody else mentioned low platelets in another thread so I was doing some research on it....in case the question ever came up again.

So I found some timely research that you (RMJ) and Knitty Kitty might find interesting.

See this research entitled "[Thiamine-dependent anemia and thrombocytopenia, insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus and sensorineural deafness--case report and review]"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4046487/

Since it is so old.....this generation of doctor's never learned that a Thiamine deficiency can cause thrombocytopenia IE Low Platelet levels.

Where they note quoting

"Daily 25 mg thiamine prevented anemia and thrombocytopenia."

The previous study was in children.....this latest recent study was in Adults.

Entitled "Pancytopenia in an adult patient with thiamine-responsive megaloblastic anaemia"

https://casereports.bmj.com/content/2018/bcr-2018-225035

Pancytopenia includes low Platelets and other blood cell abnormalities.

quoting a definition for Pancytopenia.

"Pancytopenia is a condition that occurs when a person has low counts for all three types of blood cells: red blood cells, white blood cells, and platelets. Pancytopenia is usually due to a problem with the bone marrow that produces the blood cells. However, there can be several different underlying causes."

Including in this case since I believe a deficiency since Thiamine is so quickly depleted....the infection burn through our Thiamine reserves needing to make quick energy to mount an immune response.  Clotting problems can also arise from low Vitamin K it should be noted.

They noted a depletion of Thiamine triggered the Pancytopenia.

quoting from the article on adults developing Low Platelet levels...

"We later found out that thiamine treatment had been discontinued 5 weeks before, due to prescription error. Parenteral thiamine administration resulted in the recovery of haematopoiesis within 3 weeks."

I have a family member I am trying to help with a similar issue that has already had a DVT blood clot but they won't listen too me believing that they are not low in Vitamins???

(Totally unrelated to the Vaccine I might add)....but they are resistant to taking Vitamins instead relying on medicines instead.....which I appreciate but don't understand when good quality research shows sickness and disease happens when we get low in Vitamins! NOT medicines!!!

You can only help those who will listen? I guess??? 

I hope this is helpful but it is not medical advice.

Posterboy,

[TinafromArkansas]

Absolutely not will I be taking a unvetted vaccine that has the potential for lifelong illness and/or death for a common virus with a 99.9% life expectancy.

[psawyer]

1 hour ago, TinafromArkansas said:

Absolutely not will I be taking a unvetted vaccine that has the potential for lifelong illness and/or death for a common virus with a 99.9% life expectancy.

99.9 per cent do not die. But, many who live through COVID-19 suffer permanent damage to their organs, including loss of lung capacity, heart damage, and permanent neurological damage.

Get vaccinated! I had my first dose two weeks ago, so I am partially vaccinated. 

[Scarlletts]

On 4/8/2021 at 4:59 PM, JD-New to Celiac said:

Has anyone been vaccinated with the J&J? I received my shot yesterday and I am finding the usual symptoms of pain all down the side of my body that had the injection, headache, nausea, fatigue and my joints are flaring up. The one that is a bit more concerning is shortness of breath or labored breathing especially when I am lying down. It's not bad but seems out of place.

I will add that once injected there was a great deal of immediate pain to the arm and shoulder on the side of the injection but I was told that was normal. No swelling or redness though.

Hey I would call your doc right away to be checked out.  The J and J vaccine has caused clots in certain people and the shortness of breath was a symptom of those people.  

[Scott Adams]

2 hours ago, TinafromArkansas said:

Absolutely not will I be taking a unvetted vaccine that has the potential for lifelong illness and/or death for a common virus with a 99.9% life expectancy.

Also, I believe that your numbers are bit skewed. Perhaps if you look at the entire population your risk of death might be less than 1%, but depending on your age and other health factors, your risk of death could be much higher if you were to get covid-19. I believe that for those over 70, for example, the risk of dying is over 5%. 

Have a look at this chart from the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

and you will notice that compared to 5-17 year olds, 30—39 years olds have a 45x higher risk of death, 40—49 years olds have a 130x risk of death, etc.

These charts don't include the many other negative long-term chronic health issues that those many who get covid-19 may also suffer.

[cristiana]

Here in the UK we are witnessing what we hope will be signs of herd immunity beginning to take effect, thanks to the vaccination programme which has now reached nearly 50 per cent of the population.  Of course, figures are improving too because we've been in a lockdown since January.  The concern is new variants could undo some of the good work. But I'm so grateful to have some sort of immunity against this horrible disease, that has taken so many lives and has left two of my dearest friends with long Covid.  One is in her early 50s and she hasn't been able to walk more than a few metres since March 2020.

Edited April 15, 2021 by cristiana

[TinafromArkansas]

On 4/14/2021 at 8:42 PM, Scott Adams said:

Also, I believe that your numbers are bit skewed. Perhaps if you look at the entire population your risk of death might be less than 1%, but depending on your age and other health factors, your risk of death could be much higher if you were to get covid-19. I believe that for those over 70, for example, the risk of dying is over 5%. 

Have a look at this chart from the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

and you will notice that compared to 5-17 year olds, 30—39 years olds have a 45x higher risk of death, 40—49 years olds have a 130x risk of death, etc.

These charts don't include the many other negative long-term chronic health issues that those many who get covid-19 may also suffer.

 Scott, I respectfully disagree based on months of research I have done in regards to the covid virus, and the vaccines themselves. Below you see statistical data from the CDC (one of many I have screenshot off of their page) that show a very high percentage rate. I'm not factoring anything in other than what the CDC is saying. 

[GFinDC]

15 hours ago, TinafromArkansas said:

 Scott, I respectfully disagree based on months of research I have done in regards to the covid virus, and the vaccines themselves. Below you see statistical data from the CDC (one of many I have screenshot off of their page) that show a very high percentage rate. I'm not factoring anything in other than what the CDC is saying. 

Thanks Tina!  I assume you got this info from the VAERS system?  I was looking at VAERS to try and find the overall vaccine caused death rate but couldn't figure out how to see that.  Closest I got was I saw there were 1846 deaths from the vaccines but I am not sure that was a correct number.  I've heard it is closer to 10K but wanted to verify that myself.  The numbers are interesting but the percentage rate would be good to know too.  1846 deaths out of a 100 million vaccinations is not a huge percentage though.  But I also am not sure that was the correct vaccination count for those 1846 deaths.

Edited April 17, 2021 by GFinDC

[RMJ]

1 hour ago, GFinDC said:

Thanks Tina!  I assume you got this info from the WAERS system?  I was looking at VAERS to try and find the overall vaccine caused death rate but couldn't figure out how to see that.  Closest I got was I saw there were 1846 deaths from the vaccines but I am not sure that was a correct number.  I've heard it is closer to 10K but wanted to verify that myself.  The numbers are interesting but the percentage rate would be good to know too.  1846 deaths out of a 100 million vaccinations is not a huge percentage though.  But I also am not sure that was the correct vaccination count for those 1846 deaths.

Here is info from the CDC from a few days ago. Please note death after vaccine is NOT necessarily death due to vaccine.
“Over 189 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through April 12, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 3,005 reports of death (0.00158%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.”

Source: CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

[Scott Adams]

8 hours ago, TinafromArkansas said:

 Scott, I respectfully disagree based on months of research I have done in regards to the covid virus, and the vaccines themselves. Below you see statistical data from the CDC (one of many I have screenshot off of their page) that show a very high percentage rate. I'm not factoring anything in other than what the CDC is saying. 

Please share the link for this, but it shows you the same info and the CDC link I posted, but just in another way. So when I said that 70 and older have an ~5% death rate from covid-19, your data shows that the rate is actually higher, at 5.4%. In my age group of 50-69 a 0.5% chance of dying is far too high of a risk, in comparison with the any risk of dying associated with the vaccines, so why would I not reduce this risk? If your risk of dying every time you drove a car was 0.5% chance, you could not get insurance, and few people would drive cars (this means you would likely die once out of every 200 car trips).

Additionally, you are forgetting the part about doing the right thing for herd immunity and helping others not get this disease, including those over 70 who have a much higher risk of dying or extended hospitalization, not to mention the much higher rate of serious long term symptoms that many survivors are now experiencing. If you don't want to get vaccinated for yourself, do it for your parents or other older people, because you will be protecting them as well.

As you can see from the CDC page below, there are now over 561,000 deaths in the USA from covid-19 in a little over 1 year. This is more Americans killed than were killed in WWI, WWII, Korean War, and the Vietnam War combined, all in around 1 year. Get vaccinated.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war

 

[Awol cast iron stomach]

Well I have held off chiming in a long time. This is hotly debated topic. 

My story

In early March of 2020 at the time I had a co worker who travelled bimonthly, and a child I knew lost a parent. I paid my respects. Covid hadn't been announced yet for our state. At that point it was minimal cases in CA. New York was just about to heat up.

I became ill my immune system was going crazy. I was concerned I had developed a new autoimmune disease.  I heard our Governor was  closing our state's public schools at the end of the day. I was relieved  because I was not feeling right. The news blew up shortly after for the big cities across the nation.

I don't have confirmation at the time I had COVID 19, as tests were not available then. Believe it or not the instructions if you found yourself sick at this time was your Dr didn't want you coming in, they had no tests, and if you couldn't breath you had to go to the ER. I felt off until July 2020.

I was able to work at home until October 2020. I had to return to work unvaccinated. Working unvaccinated for those of you who have not had to can be stressful. I wore a mask and a shield. As one would expect I was notified when I had been exposed to a positive case. It was not yet 2021.

In late March of 2021 my employer was able to  help us set up vaccination appointments for us. We had to go staggered appointments to cover one another. As in our field there was no one to cover. It was one of the few fields everyone wanted back to work, but no one wanted to work in. It was no longer a field people wanted to work in. Some even began to leave the field entirely.

I can add working during a pandemic to my life/work experience now.  

Did I react to both doses of Pfizer? Absolutely ! Sadly as expected. However, one must acknowledge I likely got COVID at a time my state began shutting down. My body is still not completely regulated from my year plus experiences of illness and vaccination. It has been through a lot.

Lastly, I work in education. A field that has been villified for not returning to work. Many do not know or refuse to acknowledge a few people in the field of education were pulled back to work across the nation in the fall of 2020 without vaccines even being available.

I returned to work face to face in October 2020. I began looking to sign up for a vaccine since December of 2020. I did not get an appointment for a vaccine until my March 2021, my 2nd vaccine until April of 2021. More kids returned to in person just as my immune system was considered fully vaccinated. 

It has been quite an experience.

A suburb in our state just put 700 students into quarantine. The town over 155. That is not our district, but COVID is never far away.

I respect your opinions, and wish you all luck on you decisions and choices. I know they are not easy. Some of us have been in the "trenches" and in a few weeks I'll be able to "exhale"  Stay safe.

Edited April 21, 2021 by Awol cast iron stomach
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[icelandgirl]

Hi AWOL,

Thank you for sharing your experience with all of us.  I suspect that my daughter had COVID early last year when there was no testing available where we live.  I've never seen her so ill.  Flu and strep tests were negative.  Several of her cIassmates were also very sick, including one who wound up in the hospital for quite a while.  I don't want anyone else to get sick like that and really hope that people will get vaccinated.

[RMJ]

1 hour ago, Awol cast iron stomach said:

 

Lastly, I work in education. A field that has been villified for not returning to work. Many do not know or refuse to acknowledge a few people in the field of education were pulled back to work across the nation in the fall of 2020 without vaccines even being available.

I returned to work face to face in October 2020. I began looking to sign up for a vaccine since December of 2020. I did not get an appointment for a vaccine until my March 2021, my 2nd vaccine until April of 2021. More kids returned to in person just as my immune system was considered fully vaccinated. 

It has been quite an experience.

To me it seems so obvious that those working in education should be vaccinated before they are required to be around groups of unvaccinated students.  I’m glad you have had your second dose and will soon have your full immune response.

[Scott Adams]

Here it is now reached the opposite state: the teachers are all vaccinated, and now they are calling the students back, who are unvaccinated! Starting 4/26 there is a "hybrid" version of school for those who want to return. They will supposedly wear masks and socially distance...in the classroom. Good luck with that. I opted my daughter to continue to study at home for the rest of the year. She turns 16 in August and can get the vaccine at that time, before the Fall semester.

[RMJ]

28 minutes ago, Scott Adams said:

Here it is now reached the opposite state: the teachers are all vaccinated, and now they are calling the students back, who are unvaccinated! Starting 4/26 there is a "hybrid" version of school for those who want to return. They will supposedly wear masks and socially distance...in the classroom. Good luck with that. I opted my daughter to continue to study at home for the rest of the year. She turns 16 in August and can get the vaccine at that time, before the Fall semester.

It also seems obvious to me that parents who don’t want their children to be in a room with a number of other unvaccinated children shouldn’t have to send them to school.  In other words, I’m not for forcing anyone to be with those who are unvaccinated when there is another option!

[GFinDC]

A video on side affects for some vaccine recipients.  This video is banned by Twitter.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/WTFWQ8U9l9ai/

 

[Beverage]

3 hours ago, GFinDC said:

A video on side affects for some vaccine recipients.  This video is banned by Twitter.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/WTFWQ8U9l9ai/

 

I remember seeing the separate videos of these women back then (not this interview video), but they've all been removed.  VAERS is notoriously under reported, and way behind, a few more deaths of young healthy people from the rare blood clot issues from a month ago were just posted.  I've had reactions to the TDAP vaccine.

[Scott Adams]

I can’t speak to the validity of the video, or whether the vaccine actually caused their symptoms, but you can watch videos all day long of people in hospitals dying of Covid, and see the funeral pyre‘s right now of thousands of people in India who are dying of Covid every day, as those with it are now being turned away from full hospitals, many of which have run out of Oxygen. Over 100 million Americans are now fully vaccinated, and the overall safety and benefits of getting vaccinated are not in scientific dispute. How many people are claiming symptoms like these? What are the risks of not getting the vaccine in comparison to getting it? What are the risks if you get COVID-19?

[GFinDC]

My understanding is the risk of COVID are low for people in good health and not considered elderly.  Not non-existent risk, but low risk.   The VAERS data is publicly available to look up.  But IMHO it is likely not accurate because people don't always report reactions to VAERS.  They may not be reported very often even?  The 3 people in the video were all in the medical field and some said they never heard of VAERS.  Europe has a similar reporting system for vaccine reactions so it would be interesting to know what it shows.

I also saw these women's stories on videos months ago Beverage in different videos.  I haven't looked for them in a while though but it wouldn't surprise me if they were deleted.  Twitter won't allow this video to be posted and Facebook probably wouldn't either.  Vaccine reactions are being censored by social media companies.  FB deleted a large group on vaccine reactions with 70K+ people.  

I think it's bad to hide the possible vaccine negative effects.  People should know about them before making a decision.  I've heard medical insurance plans won't cover COVID vaccine injury costs because the vaccines are experimental instead of an approved treatment.  The vaccines are being used under an emergency authorization.  So they are not covered experimental treatments.

Anyone who wants a COVID vaccine shot is welcome to get it IMHO, but they should be aware of the risks, which are non-zero.  The question is are the vaccine risks higher than the disease risks?  But without accurate reporting it's impossible to know.

[psawyer]

I have had my first dose. As I see it, the risks of an adverse reaction to any of the vaccines are single-digit out of millions of doses. COVID-19 kills in rates measured in the per-thousand. No brainer to me. GET VACCINATED!

[Scott Adams]

I got my 2nd dose of the Moderna vaccine today!

[icelandgirl]

1 minute ago, Scott Adams said:

I got my 2nd dose of the Moderna vaccine today!

Yay!!!🎉🎈🥳

[icelandgirl]

I got my second dose of Pfizer yesterday...now everyone in my family who is eligible has had both!  I felt very tired last night and extremely achy (flu like) today, but I am feeling better às the day goes on and I am so relieved to be vaccinated!

[cristiana]

I'm having the second Oxford Zeneca vaccine tomorrow and I'm so grateful.  My husband still has to wait for his second one (us Coeliacs get preferential treatment here in the UK!) and then we're not sure but we think teenagers may be given a shot in the autumn.  They are already saying vulnerable people will need a booster for the new strains come the autumn.