Nutrient absorbtion

[Wheatwacked]

23 hours ago, trents said:

But do RDA's take into account the inhibited nutrient absorption typically experienced by celiacs?

No. The RDA's are simply the minimum needed to avoid specific risks determined by that particular committee. Every body needs more than 100%, especially Celiac, anorexia and other diseases that affect absorption (like potassium in IBS). So we take supplements because it is easier, not because it is better. I think a lot of people believe they are good at 100% because, well, 100% is enough. Something is wrong with the way we look at nutrition needs. I've related before that my son was diagnosed at 6 month old in 1976. He was fed only Nutramigen (hypo allergenic baby meal replacement formula) for 6 months to a full recovery. 

 "Vitamin D sufficiency {600 iu.} prevents rickets in children and osteomalacia in adults....The Endocrine Society states, for example, that to maintain serum 25(OH)D levels above 75 nmol/L (30 ng/mL), adults might need at least 37.5 to 50 mcg (1,500–2,000 IU)/day of supplemental vitamin D, and children and adolescents might need at least 25 mcg (1,000 IU)/day [11]. In contrast, the United Kingdom government recommends intakes of 10 mcg (400 IU)/day for its citizens aged 4 years and older [16]."https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-HealthProfessional/. 

It was only when I went to 10.000 iu a day, a few months after starting gluten-free that it ended my decades long depression. I called it Sunshine in a bottle for a while. After two years my serum level was still only 44.7 ng/ml. So I continue, with occasional breaks.

Iodine has the RDA at 150 mcg. High risk of goiter below that. The upper limit though is 1100 mcg. "The amount of iodine the Japanese consume daily from seaweeds has previously been estimated as high as 13.5 to 45 mg/day by sources that use ambiguous data to approximate intake [10,11], an amount 4.5 to 15 times greater than the safe upper limit of 3 mg/day set by the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare in Japan"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3204293/.

We are a society of nutritional deficiencies in general. Celiac makes it worse but after the gut has healed on the GFD, to normal absorption, there may be other diet based deficiencies that hinders ones recovery. There absolutely should be a supplement specific to Celiac. Don't hold your breath.

[Timorous]

9 hours ago, Russ314 said:

There are studies showing improvement in bone density for people in their 80s. Sounds like you are doing the right stuff. My knees are shot from years of running with poor form. Even if you can't squat, can you manage things like star jumps or stair climbing? Also, low testosterone is a risk factor for osteoporosis, and that can be corrected.

I’m not in my 80’s Russ, I’m 62 !
Also, yes, I do run up and down stairs. I’m definitely getting enough exercise for a man of my age.  
I’m osteopenic and trying to slow down or halt progression to Osteoporosis. Not sure about my testosterone level.

[Timorous]

8 hours ago, Posterboy said:

Tim,

Don't under estimate how Magnesium can help with your pain from Arthritis.

Add a Magnesium Glycinate or Magnesium Citrate can help your Arthritis pain. With meals for best effect...

Here is a couple good links about it.

Entitled "Magnesium Deficiency Could Be Causing Your Joint Pain"

https://www.drnewtons.com/blog/magnesium-deficiency-could-be-causing-your-joint-pain-2/

And this one which is more technical but helpful if you want to know the science behind it!

Entitled "The role of magnesium in pain"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507245/

I had early onset Arthritis in my late 20's and joint pain and damaged reversed after taking Magnesium and Niacinamide (the non-flushing form) of Niacin aka Vitamin B3.

I will only mention to research William Kaufman to find out how Niacinamide was used 50+ years ago to treat "bed bound" Arthritis patients who had full joint mobility after a year on Niacinamide.

Frequency is the key here...

But after medicines become popular in the late 50s and 60s sadly Vitamins and Minerals fell out of favor....and this knowledge was lost.....to the next generation of doctors who don't believe Vitamins and Minerals can help us today, sadly!

Here is two articles about it...

http://www.doctoryourself.com/kaufman5.html

http://www.doctoryourself.com/kaufman3.html

I have also written a Posterboy blog post on best how to take Niacinamide and a B-Complex.

Maybe it will help you to read it!

Any one of these two blog posts might help if not just search for the Posterboy on Celiac.com and many threads will come up about either Magnesium or Niacinamide.

Good luck on your continued journey both Niaciamide and Magnesium helped my early onset Arthritis and I happy to say my  joints  haven't hurt in years!

I still take Magnesium to this day it helped me so much! PTL

IF you haven't read it yet....go back and read the thread on how Magnesium helped my depression issues too! (the end of it especially) about why the form of Magnesium matter.....Glycinates and Citrates (with Meals) are the best forms of Magnesium to take.

Linked here again for your convenenince

Magnesium helps so many things one doctor wrote a book about it calling it the "Magnesium Miracle"....

Because our bodies "Waste Away" without it!

I like to say as Chlorophyll is to the plant.....so is Magnesium is too the Animal!

I hope this is helpful but it is not medical advice.

2 Timothy 2:7 “Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things” this included.

Posterboy by the Grace of God,

Posterboy, I don’t have arthritis or any significant regular joint pain as yet, thankfully. I do have knee issues but they’re not arthritic. One knee is affected from an old ski injury and I have had arthroscopy’ so on both knee to clear up loose debris around the joints. But they are not too bad considering and I walk for 5 miles most days without any problems. My issues aren’t with joint pain, I am osteopenic and trying to do my best to slow down or prevent onset of osteoporosis. I will definitely make sure I am getting enough magnesium though. Thanks very much for the informative articles you’ve included in your post. Esp. the Kaufman article. 

thanks again,

Tim

[Wheatwacked]

On 5/15/2021 at 6:49 AM, Timorous said:

My main concern now is ensuring the best possible defence against osteoporosis

The ribs and hips and another bone (its been awhile since I read the research) have more potassium than calcium. 

 

"phosphorus makes up about 1 to 1.4% of fat-free mass. Of this amount, 85% is in bones and teeth...Antacids that contain aluminum hydroxide, such as Maalox HRF and Rulox, bind phosphorus in the intestines, and their chronic use for 3 months or longer can therefore lead to hypophosphatemia... The effects of hypophosphatemia can include anorexia, anemia, proximal muscle weakness, skeletal effects (bone pain, rickets, and osteomalacia), increased infection risk, paresthesias, ataxia, and confusion [1]. In most cases, hypophosphatemia is caused by medical conditions, such as hyperparathyroidism, kidney tubule defects, and diabetic ketoacidosis [33].https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Phosphorus-HealthProfessional/

"Latest research from the University of Surrey has found that the potassium salts (bicarbonate and citrate) plentiful in fruit and vegetables, play an important part in improving bone health. For the first time, the results also showed that these potassium salts reduce bone resorption, the process by which bone is broken down, therefore increasing their strength.

The study, published in the journal Osteoporosis International, also revealed that high intake of potassium salts significantly reduces the excretion of calcium and acid in urine.

"This means that excess acid is neutralized and bone mineral is preserved," said lead author Dr Helen Lambert from the University of Surrey."https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150114115340.htm

Potassium, calcium, magnesium and other intakes need to consistently be above the RDA but below the Upper Limit for an extended period in order to replenish them to the bones. Serum levels are tightly controlled so blood tests are not indicative of status. Potassium has the added benefit that it may over time reduce blood pressure. All food labels in the US are required now to list potassium so it is trackable now. There is no UL for food sourced Potassium but supplements can cause intestinal lesions and so is limited by the FDA to <99 mg per dose. Drink grass fed milk.

[Tonedown]

On 5/11/2021 at 11:31 PM, trents said:

I would recommend taking a high potency B-complex. Don't worry about overdoing it on B-vitamins as they are water soluble and any excess will be excreted in your urine. 

Tonedown, what do you mean by saying you are following a "99% healthy diet"? Are you following a strict gluten free diet yet? If not, taking vitamins is no substitute for eliminating gluten from your diet to allow healing of the villi.

Definitely strict, there was a time when I might endulge with a big g Mac maybe once twice a year, but no more. You mention healing of the villi, might doctor bluntly said "no there long gone" when asking about my gastroscopy results, so l assume my immune response actions had destroyed them completely, is this possible or as you suggested can they be healed back to some degree.

[trents]

As far as I know, the villi cannot be completely destroyed such that it is not possible for restoration via a consistently gluten free diet. But it can take two years or more. At some point you should get a follow-up endoscopy/biopsy done to check for progress. I would think if the villi are "completely gone" it would not be possible to absorb nutrients at all, since that is the body's organ for this process. If they were completely gone and there was no restoration happening after going gluten free, I should think you would be dead before very long.

Edited May 18, 2021 by trents

[Wheatwacked]

15 hours ago, Tonedown said:

doctor bluntly said "no there long gone"

So, out of curiosity, what treatments does he recommend? Make out your will?

[Scott Adams]

Yes, @Tonedown, you may need to find a better doctor, as this assessment isn't helpful at all, and generally speaking, there are tons of things you can do to repair your gut, first and foremost is a strict gluten-free diet, which means no more Big Macs!