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What actually cause celiac disease


Lindquist

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Lindquist Contributor

Hi i got Medical Mediums book Cleanse to Heal and this is what it says about celiac and what causing it.  

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                               Gluten

 

To this day, medical research and science still don’t understand why

gluten is so disruptive. We’re told it’s because people have gluten allergies

or conditions such as celiac disease. That doesn’t explain why so many people are sensitive to gluten, though. 

 

Are we even as sensitive to gluten as we hear? Yes, we are. What you won’t hear is the true reason why we react

to wheat and other sources of gluten.

Think about this. Do you know any 80-year-olds who’ve eaten gluten

their entire life and never exhibited a single gluten sensitivity symptom? 

 

We can probably all think of folks of that generation who feel fine when they

eat wheat. Now think about how many people you know, whether children,

teens, or people in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, or 60s, who stay away from

gluten at all costs because of celiac or other problems with this protein substance.

 

One of the most common reasons people avoid gluten is because doctors

and health professionals of today have told them that gluten causes

inflammation or even autoimmune disease. This is not a practice of

yesterday. It is a recent theory put out there into the world without any

actual understanding of how gluten could cause inflammation or why gluten

sensitivities often coincide with autoimmune conditions.

 

Here’s the truth: gluten feeds pathogens. The very viruses that create

autoimmune conditions thrive on gluten. That’s what causes inflammation.

It’s not the other way around, with gluten triggering inflammation that

triggers an autoimmune response in the body. It’s gluten feeding bugs that

lead to inflammation in the body as the immune system tries to eradicate

them. Keep in mind that medical research and science still don’t know this.

 

There are only two causes of inflammation: (1) physical injury, by force or

toxic exposure and (2) pathogenic activity in the body. Pathogens can cause

inflammation either by entering organs or tissue, which can cause its own

kind of cell injury, or by feeding on certain troublemakers and troublemaker

foods in the system and eliminating inflammatory poisons and byproduct. 

 

A food such as gluten cannot itself cause inflammation. Instead, it feeds the

pathogens that can cause inflammation. This is why so many people,

especially from older generations, can eat gluten and not get inflamed. In

order for inflammation to occur, they need certain pathogens present in the

body to feed on the food. It’s pathogens such as viruses, not gluten, that are

the true cause of celiac disease.

 

This reality behind autoimmune diagnoses remains a mystery to medical

research and science. Even our best doctors and practitioners get confused

here, explaining countless symptoms and conditions as the body’s own

immune system attacking itself. When you hear this, know that it really means medical research hasn’t gotten to the root of an illness yet, so their

best explanation is that it’s the body’s fault. 

 

In truth, your body’s immune system would never destroy your thyroid (which is the theory behind

Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, with no proof at all). Your body’s immune system

would never destroy your skin (which is the mistaken theory behind eczema

and psoriasis, with no proof at all). And it’s not possible for gluten to cause

your immune system to react in a way where it attacks your intestinal

linings, causing damage, which is a mistaken theory behind celiac disease.

It’s a pathogen such as a virus that eats gluten and causes the intestinal damage.

 

What your immune system does is go after the pathogens that create

autoimmune conditions. The reason gluten comes into play is because it’s

fuel for pathogens. Gluten feeds the viruses such as the over 60 varieties of

EBV that create, for example, fibromyalgia, Hashimoto’s, eczema,

psoriasis, multiple sclerosis, Lyme disease, PCOS, endometriosis, psoriatic

arthritis, lupus, ME/CFS, ALS, and more—which are all classified these

days as autoimmune. Well-meaning practitioners go along with the outdated

theory that came out of the 1950s of the body attacking itself as an

explanation for chronic conditions that science doesn’t yet understand.

 

Today, it has this new twist, where the idea is that gluten causes

inflammation that confuses the body, spurring a self-attack. This is not

advanced information. It’s misleading, even if there is no ill will behind it.

I’ve talked before about how gluten feeds the bugs that create symptoms

and conditions, and health professionals have already started using this

Medical Medium information in their practices. 

 

They’re getting results for

patients by helping them understand the source of their suffering: that

gluten is fuel for pathogens, so when it’s in the diet, those viruses and even

unproductive bacteria in their system can embed themselves more deeply

into organs, damaging cells and advancing autoimmune and other chronic

illnesses. When you have any sort of health concern, whether autoimmune

or not, removing gluten is one step. The next step is understanding why it’s

disruptive in your body and plays a role in your condition so you can

protect yourself and heal.

 

You may not have pathogens in your body that are readily feeding off

gluten right now. You may be able to eat wheat and other sources of gluten

and feel okay. That doesn’t mean you won’t experience symptoms down the

road. Everybody carries bugs, and they’re in different strains and varieties that take different amounts of time to proliferate. You could have a mild

pathogenic environment brewing in your body that’s creating the mildest of

symptoms you don’t even realize are a problem. 

 

Many people go on a

cleanse with no particular health desire besides cleaning house—and only

as they’re going through it and evaluating afterward do they realize they’re

feeling better now and were living with more limitations before than they

knew.

 

After removing gluten, they find they have more energy, which they

didn’t expect because they never thought of themselves as being sensitive to

it. They find they can think better, with less brain fog. They find they

require less sleep and are free of achiness they had learned to ignore. 

 

They find that mild swelling or water retention they didn’t even realize they had

is surprisingly reduced—all because a mild, systemic inflammation that had

been going undetected as they were living their busy lives is now absent

with gluten out of the diet. They were so used to their symptoms that they

didn’t even realize they were issues, let alone that those issues could have

been working their way into something bigger if they hadn’t given their

bodies a break from gluten.

From the book Medical Medium - Cleanse to Heal by Anthony William


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Scott Adams Grand Master

Researchers have a pretty good understanding of celiac disease, and why certain genetically susceptible people get it (various triggers have been identified, including viruses), but I don't buy the part about gluten eating viruses that cause intestinal damage, as this would be a fairly easy thing to detect, and I've not seen any studies that indicate that those with celiac disease have a concentration of certain viruses in their guts that are linked to its cause. There are lots of studies, however, that show that gut microbiota in those with celiac disease are different than those without it, and that this could be a contributing factor. Unfortunately the author uses the term "celiac disease" here, when in reality should have used "gluten sensitivity," as the cases of CD are well documented, and are genetically based--the author says nothing about genetics.

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And it’s not possible for gluten to cause your immune system to react in a way where it attacks your intestinal linings, causing damage, which is a mistaken theory behind celiac disease.

It’s a pathogen such as a virus that eats gluten and causes the intestinal damage.

 

Lindquist Contributor
6 hours ago, Scott Adams said:

Researchers have a pretty good understanding of celiac disease, and why certain genetically susceptible people get it (various triggers have been identified, including viruses), but I don't buy the part about gluten eating viruses that cause intestinal damage, as this would be a fairly easy thing to detect, and I've not seen any studies that indicate that those with celiac disease have a concentration of certain viruses in their guts that are linked to its cause. There are lots of studies, however, that show that gut microbiota in those with celiac disease are different than those without it, and that this could be a contributing factor. Unfortunately the author uses the term "celiac disease" here, when in reality should have used "gluten sensitivity," as the cases of celiac disease are well documented, and are genetically based--the author says nothing about genetics.

 

Is carrageenan a problem for celiacs too and Crohns or Ulceractive colitis? Everytime someone has given me something that has e407 carrageenan i get so much main in My Duodenum i can't sleep it feel like a animal eat me inside. Please help.

Lindquist Contributor

Can celiacs have IBD too? 

Scott Adams Grand Master

Yes, celiacs can also have IBD, which is often triggered by additional food intolerances besides gluten. Sometimes these intolerances are temporary and will go away after a year or so on a strict gluten-free diet, but sometimes not. Casein or lactose in cow's milk are two common temporary intolerances. Any type of gum used in foods can cause some people issues, and many have issues with xanthan gum.

Lindquist Contributor
1 hour ago, Scott Adams said:

Yes, celiacs can also have IBD, which is often triggered by additional food intolerances besides gluten. Sometimes these intolerances are temporary and will go away after a year or so on a strict gluten-free diet, but sometimes not. Casein or lactose in cow's milk are two common temporary intolerances. Any type of gum used in foods can cause some people issues, and many have issues with xanthan gum.

Ok how about carrageenan then in foods? Guar gum is also problem too? 

ravenwoodglass Mentor
34 minutes ago, Lindquist said:

Ok how about carrageenan then in foods? Guar gum is also problem too? 

Those are not an issue from a gluten perspective but that doesn't mean that you are not reacting to them. You may want to eliminate them for at least a couple months and then add items with those ingredients and see if they are still bothering you.  Many of us also need to eliminate dairy for a bit, soy can also be an issue.  To make things even more confusing some celiacs will react to oats.  As Scott said those items can sometimes be added back in after we heal.  In my case I was able to add back dairy after I healed but react to oats like I do to gluten.  Try and stick with as many whole foods as you can rather than processed gluten-free for a bit. That will help you heal the quickest. Hope you're feeling better soon.


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Also according to Dr. Alessio Fasano, Gluten causes Leaky Gut:

 

 

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Lindquist Contributor
10 hours ago, ravenwoodglass said:

Those are not an issue from a gluten perspective but that doesn't mean that you are not reacting to them. You may want to eliminate them for at least a couple months and then add items with those ingredients and see if they are still bothering you.  Many of us also need to eliminate dairy for a bit, soy can also be an issue.  To make things even more confusing some celiacs will react to oats.  As Scott said those items can sometimes be added back in after we heal.  In my case I was able to add back dairy after I healed but react to oats like I do to gluten.  Try and stick with as many whole foods as you can rather than processed gluten-free for a bit. That will help you heal the quickest. Hope you're feeling better soon.

I have histamin intolerance too. Is that a issue with celiacs?

Scott Adams Grand Master

This category of articles has all the research on possible triggers of celiac disease:

https://www.celiac.com/celiac-disease/the-origins-of-celiac-disease/ 

Gluten is definitely linked to leaky gut, especially in those who are sensitive. There is research that gluten is a problem for most people, even those who are not gluten sensitive. This article is very old, but interesting:

 

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