Dealing with gas an stomach pain.

[Carol1066]

Hi everyone,

I was diagnosed with being gluten sensitive 5 years ago.  I have do not eat anything with gluten but still have constant gas, bloating and stomach pain.  Some are very painful.  I have tried everything  thing I can think of to get rid of the gas pain.  Just wondered if anyone had any suggestions.  I'm also Lactose intolerant. 

 

Thanks,

 

Carol1066

[cristiana]

Hello Carol and welcome to the forum!

I have bouts of this myself - in fact, at the moment, I'm there too!  I have come to the conclusion that in my own case I suffer from mild gastritis, which can be caused by inadvertent gluten consumption but also by eating too much fatty or rich food and certain medication such as NSAIDs and antibiotics.  

When I get flares I try to follow a reflux/gastritis diet for a while and sometimes take a short course of PPIs such as omeprazole.  If I don't take action, the symptoms seem to drag on for a while.

Often when I get this sort of discomfort I will also get silent reflux,  and if that happens I sleep with a wedge pillow which generally helps and take gaviscon last thing at night.  I also find not eating for at least 12 hours and giving my stomach a bit of a rest between my last meal and breakfast really helps.

That said, I'm interested to read that you had been diagnosed with gluten sensitivity.  Did you have any tests to exclude coeliac disease at the time, such as blood tests and an endoscopy? 

Cristiana

  

[Carol1066]

10 minutes ago, cristiana said:

Hello Carol and welcome to the forum!

I have bouts of this myself - in fact, at the moment, I'm there too!  I have come to the conclusion that in my own case I suffer from mild gastritis, which can be caused by inadvertent gluten consumption but also by eating too much fatty or rich food and certain medication such as NSAIDs and antibiotics.  

When I get flares I try to follow a reflux/gastritis diet for a while and sometimes take a short course of PPIs such as omeprazole.  If I don't take action, the symptoms seem to drag on for a while.

Often when I get this sort of discomfort I will also get silent reflux,  and if that happens I sleep with a wedge pillow which generally helps and take gaviscon last thing at night.  I also find not eating for at least 12 hours and giving my stomach a bit of a rest between my last meal and breakfast really helps.

That said, I'm interested to read that you had been diagnosed with gluten sensitivity.  Did you have any tests to exclude coeliac disease at the time, such as blood tests and an endoscopy? 

Cristiana

  

Hi Christina,

Thanks for the reply.  I had a blood test done 5 years back.  I had suffered for a few years before that but was always told it was only IBD. I also suffer with acid reflux.  Its be a very frustrating few years trying to figure out what I can/cannot eat with balancing Celic/ lactose intolerance and reflux .  I usually stick to meat and potatoes and if I do eat fried food which usually not very often its in olive oil. What is the Reflux/Gastritis diet?  Sounds interesting.

No endoscopy.  I lost my job a few months ago and had to take early retirement and  have no health insure like I used too. which is worrying at my age (58).

 

Any incites/advice would be appreciated.

 

Carol1066

[cristiana]

Hi Carol

You can search through this forum and you will find quite a lot of advice on how to deal with gastritis and/or reflux through diet and may help your symptoms of bloating, if these conditions are causing it.  There is a thread I started on slippery elm which might help.

https://www.celiac.com/forums/topic/118711-gastritis-or-glutening-slippery-elm/

Or look at other websites - this gives some basic advice on foods to avoid.

https://www.healthline.com/health/gastritis-diet#foods-to-avoid

Cristiana

 

Edited December 21, 2021 by cristiana

[Carol1066]

Thanks Cristina for your help and advice.  Much apprecaited.  I have been dealing with gluten issues fo the past 5 years on my own as none of my family members have every experianced the symptoms.  Looking back my dad suffered for years with his stomach when I was a teen  but his issues were not really thought about all those years ago. It's been a lot of trial and error trying to balance both the gluten/reflux and lactose issues.

 

Carol1066 

[Suzan]

On 12/21/2021 at 6:44 AM, Carol1066 said:

Thanks Cristina for your help and advice.  Much apprecaited.  I have been dealing with gluten issues fo the past 5 years on my own as none of my family members have every experianced the symptoms.  Looking back my dad suffered for years with his stomach when I was a teen  but his issues were not really thought about all those years ago. It's been a lot of trial and error trying to balance both the gluten/reflux and lactose issues.

 

Carol1066 

Hi Carol, Have you considered that you may also have SIBO or other food intolerances? Check out the Fast Track diet, it is a low carb program that starves bacteria and thus gets rid of the bloating and acid reflux they cause. You might also have a FODMAP intolerance, which could be fructose or one of the other sugars that occur naturally in food that some people have problems with. Monash University has a good FODMAP app and elimination diet program that can help you if you think that could be contributing to your problem. One half teaspoon of honey is enough to give me acid reflux and bloating; and of course if you just eliminate lactose but not all casein (like what is in butter) you could be reacting to that as well. Best of luck to you!

 

[Carol1066]

2 hours ago, Suzan said:

Hi Carol, Have you considered that you may also have SIBO or other food intolerances? Check out the Fast Track diet, it is a low carb program that starves bacteria and thus gets rid of the bloating and acid reflux they cause. You might also have a FODMAP intolerance, which could be fructose or one of the other sugars that occur naturally in food that some people have problems with. Monash University has a good FODMAP app and elimination diet program that can help you if you think that could be contributing to your problem. One half teaspoon of honey is enough to give me acid reflux and bloating; and of course if you just eliminate lactose but not all casein (like what is in butter) you could be reacting to that as well. Best of luck to you!

 

Hi Suzan,

I will look into SIBO and FODMAP.  Not sure what they are but I get constant gas in my stomach daily.  I am going through some sort of stomach issues at present with lost of gas/bloating/pressure pain and needing to  go to the bathroom a lot.  I don't eat butter and I can only eat hard cheese occasionally.

 

Thanks for your info

 

Carol1066

[Carol1066]

On 12/20/2021 at 7:56 PM, cristiana said:

Hi Carol

You can search through this forum and you will find quite a lot of advice on how to deal with gastritis and/or reflux through diet and may help your symptoms of bloating, if these conditions are causing it.  There is a thread I started on slippery elm which might help.

https://www.celiac.com/forums/topic/118711-gastritis-or-glutening-slippery-elm/

Or look at other websites - this gives some basic advice on foods to avoid.

https://www.healthline.com/health/gastritis-diet#foods-to-avoid

Cristiana

 

I been have a very aggressive diarrhea to the point I had to go to ER as I was so dehydration.  After tests they told me I had an inflamed GI. Any advise as I am still having the diarrhea. 

[knitty kitty]

2 hours ago, Carol1066 said:

I been have a very aggressive diarrhea to the point I had to go to ER as I was so dehydration.  After tests they told me I had an inflamed GI. Any advise as I am still having the diarrhea. 

Hello, @Carol1066,

Have you changed your diet any?

In a previous post you said you eat mostly meat and potatoes.  

Potatoes can cause continuing inflammation.  Glycoalkaloids in potatoes have been shown to promote leaky gut syndrome.

"Potato glycoalkaloids adversely affect intestinal permeability and aggravate inflammatory bowel disease"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12479649/

The glycoalkaloids in nightshades (potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, and eggplant) cause the production of zonulin which causes gaps in between cells in the intestines allowing big molecules out of our intestines and into our blood stream.  

I used to include potatoes in my diet.  However after having constant diarrhea, I started following the AutoImmune Protocol diet.  And I began supplementing with a B Complex vitamin and additional thiamine (Vitamin B1).  Severe diarrhea can flush the eight essential B vitamins out of our bodies because they are water soluble.  

Thiamine is the first one to go because it can't be stored for long (only three weeks).  Insufficiency can occur in as little as nine days.  Severe diarrhea like you describe is a symptom of Thiamine deficiency.  

If you have to go to the hospital again, ask for a "Banana Bag", an IV bag full of vitamins.  (Riboflavin, Vitamin B2, gives it the distinctive yellow color, hence the name.)

Taking a B Complex and additional thiamine helped me.  My diarrhea stopped.  I had improvement within a few hours.  

I still take the B Complex and 100 mg minimum of thiamine with each meal (300-500 mg/day).

It was my experience that my doctors were not trained in vitamins.  They were not familiar with deficiency symptoms.  

I hope this helps you feel better soon! 

 

[Carol1066]

9 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

Hello, @Carol1066,

Have you changed your diet any?

In a previous post you said you eat mostly meat and potatoes.  

Potatoes can cause continuing inflammation.  Glycoalkaloids in potatoes have been shown to promote leaky gut syndrome.

"Potato glycoalkaloids adversely affect intestinal permeability and aggravate inflammatory bowel disease"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12479649/

The glycoalkaloids in nightshades (potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, and eggplant) cause the production of zonulin which causes gaps in between cells in the intestines allowing big molecules out of our intestines and into our blood stream.  

I used to include potatoes in my diet.  However after having constant diarrhea, I started following the AutoImmune Protocol diet.  And I began supplementing with a B Complex vitamin and additional thiamine (Vitamin B1).  Severe diarrhea can flush the eight essential B vitamins out of our bodies because they are water soluble.  

Thiamine is the first one to go because it can't be stored for long (only three weeks).  Insufficiency can occur in as little as nine days.  Severe diarrhea like you describe is a symptom of Thiamine deficiency.  

If you have to go to the hospital again, ask for a "Banana Bag", an IV bag full of vitamins.  (Riboflavin, Vitamin B2, gives it the distinctive yellow color, hence the name.)

Taking a B Complex and additional thiamine helped me.  My diarrhea stopped.  I had improvement within a few hours.  

I still take the B Complex and 100 mg minimum of thiamine with each meal (300-500 mg/day).

It was my experience that my doctors were not trained in vitamins.  They were not familiar with deficiency symptoms.  

I hope this helps you feel better soon! 

 

Hi kitty 

Thanks for the reply. I thought I just had a stomach bug at first. As after a few weeks it would start to feel better after 4 days or so but then would come back with evengance.  This happed for a few weeks. It was only after I started losing a lot of weight and having to go to the ER. I found out it was my GI. Since I have been sick I was sticking to the BRAT diet as I could not each much food either. I have found that if I lay flat on my back at night this reduces the urge to poop. I will look into the B1 ect. Thx for the info.

Carol 1066

[knitty kitty]

10 hours ago, Carol1066 said:

Hi kitty 

Thanks for the reply. I thought I just had a stomach bug at first. As after a few weeks it would start to feel better after 4 days or so but then would come back with evengance.  This happed for a few weeks. It was only after I started losing a lot of weight and having to go to the ER. I found out it was my GI. Since I have been sick I was sticking to the BRAT diet as I could not each much food either. I have found that if I lay flat on my back at night this reduces the urge to poop. I will look into the B1 ect. Thx for the info.

Carol 1066

Thought you might appreciate these....

Gastrointestinal beriberi: a forme fruste of Wernicke’s encephalopathy?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6040496/

And....

Gastrointestinal Beriberi Mimicking a Surgical Emergency in a Well-Nourished Patient: A Case Report

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31993570/

And...

Elevated Lactate Secondary to Gastrointestinal Beriberi

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4699997/

 

[Carol1066]

Just now, knitty kitty said:

Thought you might appreciate these....

Gastrointestinal beriberi: a forme fruste of Wernicke’s encephalopathy?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6040496/

And....

Gastrointestinal Beriberi Mimicking a Surgical Emergency in a Well-Nourished Patient: A Case Report

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31993570/

And...

Elevated Lactate Secondary to Gastrointestinal Beriberi

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4699997/

 

Thx Kitty

Just found out apparently pepto and imodium that I have been taking all the weeks I have been ill are NOT gluten free. I fact I have been making myself worse by taking them everyday. My husband has gone to Target to get me some gluten free anti diarrhea medicine. 

Thx for the info as always.

[knitty kitty]

You're very welcome.  I'm glad you found the apparent cause.  

 

[Carol1066]

Just now, knitty kitty said:

You're very welcome.  I'm glad you found the apparent cause.  

 

They should have these common over the counter medications labeled stating they contain gluten. Thx again you have been a great help.

[Carol1066]

On 2/21/2022 at 5:55 PM, knitty kitty said:

You're very welcome.  I'm glad you found the apparent cause.  

 

Hi kitty 

I have been in hospital since Tuesday.  I was so ill could not stand had to have colenoposy  and may have ulcerative colitis or Chrones decease will find out today.

[knitty kitty]

14 hours ago, Carol1066 said:

Hi kitty 

I have been in hospital since Tuesday.  I was so ill could not stand had to have colenoposy  and may have ulcerative colitis or Chrones decease will find out today.

Carol, 

I'm so sorry to hear you've been in hospital.  Do let us know the results of your colonoscopy.  Did they bother to do an endoscopy to check for H. Pylori, gastritis, flattened villi from Celiac Disease?  

You said you were diagnosed with gluten sensitivity.  Was that a Celiac diagnosis?  

Pepto contains aspirin that might have caused further damage to the small intestine.  

Guess I'm worried about the other end of your digestive tract.  

Hope you feel better soon!

[Carol1066]

22 minutes ago, knitty kitty said:

Carol, 

I'm so sorry to hear you've been in hospital.  Do let us know the results of your colonoscopy.  Did they bother to do an endoscopy to check for H. Pylori, gastritis, flattened villi from Celiac Disease?  

You said you were diagnosed with gluten sensitivity.  Was that a Celiac diagnosis?  

Pepto contains aspirin that might have caused further damage to the small intestine.  

Guess I'm worried about the other end of your digestive tract.  

Hope you feel better soon!

Hi kitty 

Had a very inflamed colen. Had colen oscopy Wednesday and also endoscopy.  Told I either have Chrones decease or ulcerative colitis.  Had biopsy will know results tomorrow.  Have been on liquid diet over last few days. Not sure of the gluten now. My stomach was inflamed. Doctor told me when I am able to eat solid food to continue gluten free until my stomach is better and then will see further into this. I have put weight back on which is good. Apparently when I was having the diarrhea all my food was going through me and I was not getting any nutrients at all.

 

Carol 1066

[razzle5150]

On 12/20/2021 at 4:45 PM, Carol1066 said:

Hi everyone,

I was diagnosed with being gluten sensitive 5 years ago.  I have do not eat anything with gluten but still have constant gas, bloating and stomach pain.  Some are very painful.  I have tried everything  thing I can think of to get rid of the gas pain.  Just wondered if anyone had any suggestions.  I'm also Lactose intolerant. 

 

Thanks,

 

Carol1066

I am gluten free too for about 3 yrs and having same thing you are but have severe constipation  .what are you doing to help and others reading do you have constipation too

On 2/21/2022 at 4:49 PM, Carol1066 said:

Thx Kitty

Just found out apparently pepto and imodium that I have been taking all the weeks I have been ill are NOT gluten free. I fact I have been making myself worse by taking them everyday. My husband has gone to Target to get me some gluten free anti diarrhea medicine. 

Thx for the info as always.

omg  is peto bismol  gluten free

[Wheatwacked]

Not enough potassium in the diet. Diarrhea can cause excess potassium loss which is why the World Health Organization, and many countries consider potassium status a nutrient of interest. The US 100% DV for potassium is 4.7 grams (4700 mg) daily, while most countries use 3 grams a day for the RDA.

While plasma levels of potassium are regularly checked, it is not a good indicator of sufficient intake. Blood K is tightly controlled by feedback mechanisms because heart function is so highly dependent on it. Low or High blood plasma potassium is very serious, but only urine potassium level gives a true indication of status.

'Almost one out of five people hospitalized in the United States has a low potassium level. "   https://www.emedicinehealth.com/low_potassium/article_em.htm

"The first major finding in our study was that the levels of 24-hour urinary potassium were significantly lower whereas FCP levels were significantly higher in patients with UC as compared to controls,.. The second major finding was the significant increase of urinary potassium levels among UC patients who had a clinical response (decline in Mayo score ≥3)This is the first proof of concept study that documents an association between disease activity in UC and urinary potassium levels... In conclusion, we have shown that urinary potassium level is inversely associated with the disease activity in ulcerative colitis and in vitro data suggests that it suppresses inflammation    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-18046-x#:~:text=A recent study found an,with attenuated gut inflammatory responses.

 

 

Edited March 24, 2022 by Wheatwacked