Jump to content
This site uses cookies. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. More Info... ×
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):
    GliadinX



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):
    GliadinX


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Getting glutened while in ketosis


Rita06

Recommended Posts

Rita06 Rookie

Hello, 

Is there anyone who has consumed gluten while in ketosis, and if yes, with what effects? Someone is in ketosis after 36-48 hours of water fasting, or while on a ketogenic diet. 

Alternatively, has anyone water fasted after getting glutened and has it helped? 

I am reading that inflammatory cells need a lot of energy from glucose to quickly multiply and that manipulation of metabolism may decrease inflammation. I also remember someone discussing on Facebook how he was gluten sensitive but he had to consume gluten and to counteract this he fasted afterwards. 

Thank you for any replies, 

Rita


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
NutHouse! Granola Co.
Food for Life



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):
Little Northern Bakehouse


Scott Adams Grand Master

I'm not expert on the ketogenic diet, and don't believe that anyone needs to fast for any reason except when a doctor requests it, for example before a colonoscopy, but if you are gluten sensitive, or if you have celiac disease, you should not eat gluten at all.

If you do, fasting won't reverse any of the possible negative health effects, but may help stop or slow down diarrhea, if that is a symptom of their gluten sensitivity. Many celiacs, and especially those with gluten sensitivity, don't have obvious symptoms, so your theoretical question is difficult to answer.

trents Grand Master

I would hesitate to water fast at any time as I think there are other health risks and downsides involved with that which would offset any benefit connected with recovering from a glutening episode. Remaining properly hydrated is important to good health in many ways.

This may not be your problem but when I get a significant gluten exposure I get intractable emesis followed by diarrhea which results in dehydration. I certainly wouldn't want to water fast in that scenario. Even if this is not you, I don't think water fasting is a good idea for anyone except maybe those with CHF and other fluid retention problems.

Rita06 Rookie
  On 1/4/2022 at 6:35 PM, trents said:

I would hesitate to water fast at any time as I think there are other health risks and downsides involved with that which would offset any benefit connected with recovering from a glutening episode. Remaining properly hydrated is important to good health in many ways.

This may not be your problem but when I get a significant gluten exposure I get intractable emesis followed by diarrhea which results in dehydration. I certainly wouldn't want to water fast in that scenario. Even if this is not you, I don't think water fasting is a good idea for anyone except maybe those with CHF and other fluid retention problems.

Expand Quote  

I don't have problems with diarrhea, but probably with my thyroid. The idea is that if the body understands that bread is the only food and there is no other, it may decide to tolerate it and not treat it like a pathogen? Celiac does not seem to be a common disease in countries where people starve. 

Scott Adams Grand Master

Unfortunately you can't starve yourself out of having celiac disease, and yes, celiac disease is also an issue in countries where people are more likely to experience food scarcity (and may even contribute to the problem of starvation in those countries due to a lack of awareness and access to health care):

 

 

Rita06 Rookie
  On 1/6/2022 at 8:10 PM, Scott Adams said:

Unfortunately you can't starve yourself out of having celiac disease, and yes, celiac disease is also an issue in countries where people are more likely to experience food scarcity (and may even contribute to the problem of starvation in those countries due to a lack of awareness and access to health care):

 

 

Expand Quote  

Delhi also has high obesity rate:https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/delhi-news/four-out-of-10-people-in-delhi-overweight-finds-survey-101637864191437.html

My idea is to water fast for let's say 36 hours, consume gluten in small amount, continue fasting for 24 hours. 

Repeat after several weeks with increasing amounts of gluten. 

The literature says that leaky gut increases, but autoimmunity decreases after a fast. I have mixed results with fasting causing me to better tolerate milk but get worse tolerance for eggs. So, I am perplexed. 

 

Scott Adams Grand Master

Again I’m not sure that fasting will accomplish anything with regard to a person who has celiac disease. Also, keep in mind that celiac disease can go into remission in some people after being on a gluten-free diet for a long time. This forum has seen many people over the years who thought they were cured because they didn’t have any symptoms when they started eating gluten after being gluten-free for years, only to have their symptoms and problems come back after a certain amount of time…sometimes it can take a year or two. I believe the longest reported time period was something like 10 years before a person tested positive again for celiac disease. 


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Tierra Farm
Authentic Foods



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):
NutHouse! Granola Co.


Rita06 Rookie
  On 1/8/2022 at 7:23 PM, Scott Adams said:

Again I’m not sure that fasting will accomplish anything with regard to a person who has celiac disease. Also, keep in mind that celiac disease can go into remission in some people after being on a gluten-free diet for a long time. This forum has seen many people over the years who thought they were cured because they didn’t have any symptoms when they started eating gluten after being gluten-free for years, only to have their symptoms and problems come back after a certain amount of time…sometimes it can take a year or two. I believe the longest reported time period was something like 10 years before a person tested positive again for celiac disease. 

Expand Quote  

Thank you for the info, it is much appreciated.  I did a blood test and it shows high eosinophils. Perhaps mine is eosinophilic allergy, not celiac. 

trents Grand Master
  On 1/12/2022 at 2:28 PM, Rita06 said:

Thank you for the info, it is much appreciated.  I did a blood test and it shows high eosinophils. Perhaps mine is eosinophilic allergy, not celiac. 

Expand Quote  

Rita, have you actually been tested for celiac disease? I mean there are blood antibody tests specifically designed for celiac disease. But you would need to have been eating regular amounts of gluten (equivalent of two slices of wheat bread daily) for 6-8 weeks before getting tested for the tests to be valid. https://celiac.org/about-celiac-disease/screening-and-diagnosis/screening/

Wheatwacked Veteran

In 1970 when the Biafra Relief Agency switched from buying rice to the modern wheat because of price, the babies started showing symptoms of Celiac Disease. In my opinion, at the time Norman Borlaug was honored with the Nobel Prize so the symptoms were blamed on protein deficiency (Kwashiorkor) instead of Celiac Disease (caused by wheat).

Rita06 Rookie
  On 1/12/2022 at 2:44 PM, trents said:

Rita, have you actually been tested for celiac disease? I mean there are blood antibody tests specifically designed for celiac disease. But you would need to have been eating regular amounts of gluten (equivalent of two slices of wheat bread daily) for 6-8 weeks before getting tested for the tests to be valid. https://celiac.org/about-celiac-disease/screening-and-diagnosis/screening/

Expand Quote  

I have not done blood tests, but after 2 years of gluten free diet I consumed rye sourdough bread for 2 days and I got severe bloating, flatulence, dizziness, which lasted for several weeks, gradually subsiding. So it definitely causes me problems. But I react badly to several foods, although not the same way as to gluten, so it looks different to celiac. 

trents Grand Master
  On 1/15/2022 at 7:35 AM, Rita06 said:

I have not done blood tests, but after 2 years of gluten free diet I consumed rye sourdough bread for 2 days and I got severe bloating, flatulence, dizziness, which lasted for several weeks, gradually subsiding. So it definitely causes me problems. But I react badly to several foods, although not the same way as to gluten, so it looks different to celiac. 

Expand Quote  

You can also have NCGA (Non Celiac Gluten Sensitivity) as opposed to celiac disease. Being actually tested for celiac disease would be the only sure way to differentiate between the two. But either way, life long avoidance of gluten is the only antidote.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
    Little Northern Bakehouse



  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      128,043
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Chowes
    Newest Member
    Chowes
    Joined

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
    Authentic Foods


  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121k
    • Total Posts
      70.6k

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
    GliadinX




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
    Authentic Foods



  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • trents
      Welcome to the forum, @KRipple! Sorry to hear of all your husband's health problems. I can only imagine how anxious this makes you as when our spouse suffers we hurt right along with them. Can you post the results from the Celiac blood testing for us to look at? We would need the names of the tests run, the numeric results and (this is important) the reference ranges for each test used to establish high/low/negative/positive. Different labs use different rating scales so this is why I ask for this. There aren't industry standards. Has your husband seen any improvement from eliminating gluten from his diet? If your husband had any positive results from his celiac blood antibody...
    • kate g
      Ive read articles that there is stage 2 research being conducted for drugs that will limit damage to celiacs through cross contamination- how close are they to this will there be enough funding to create a mainstream drug? 
    • KRipple
      Hello, My husband has had issues with really bad diarreah for over nine months now. In mid November, he went to the doctor for what they thought was a bad cold, which two weeks later was diagnosed as bronchitis. A week later, in December, I had to take him back to urgent care and from there, to the emergency room cause his vitals were too low. They said he was having an Addisionan crisis and he spent five days in the ICU. Since my husband has Autoimmune Polyendocrine Syndrome Type II (type 1 diabetes, Addison's and Hashimoto's), I fought for a blood test to determine if he had Celiacs. Given the results of the test, he was told to go to a gastro for an endoscopy. It took two months to...
    • cristiana
      Hi @Karmmacalling I'm very sorry to hear you are feeling so unwell.  Can you tell us exactly what sort of pain you are experiencing and where the pain is?  Is it your lower abdomen, upper abdomen etc?  Do you have any other symptoms? Cristiana
    • trents
      The NIH article you link actually supports what I have been trying to explain to you: "Celiac disease (celiac disease) is an autoimmune-mediated enteropathy triggered by dietary gluten in genetically prone individuals. The current treatment for celiac disease is a strict lifelong gluten-free diet. However, in some celiac disease patients following a strict gluten-free diet, the symptoms do not remit. These cases may be refractory celiac disease or due to gluten contamination; however, the lack of response could be related to other dietary ingredients, such as maize, which is one of the most common alternatives to wheat used in the gluten-free diet. In some celiac disease patients, as a...
×
×
  • Create New...