Low libido without gluten

[knitty kitty]

7 hours ago, Wheatwacked said:

Food goes into the stomach where it is mixed with hydrochloric acid. Unless you are taking something to override the feedback (PPIs). Intraluminal pH of the human gastrointestinal tract   

Onions have lots of Sulphur. Sulphur is an antibiotic that was responsible for saving lives before penicillin.  Onions: Health benefits, health risks & nutrition facts ;  HOW DO SULFONAMIDES WORK?

Onions belong to the Allum family of plants.  Allum plants like onion, garlic, shallots, etc. contain lots of Thiamine in the form allithiamine.

Allithiamine is a fat based form of thiamine that gets into cells easily.

 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.118.3064.325?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub 0pubmed

And, yes, thiamine contains sulfur.

Edited March 26, 2022 by knitty kitty
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[Spherical Bird]

On 3/25/2022 at 9:26 PM, knitty kitty said:

@Spherical Bird,

You should continue taking your B Complex vitamins.

It was probably the Candida infection making your urine cloudy, not the vitamins.  A good rule of thumb is to drink eight ounces of water after urinating.  Water in, water out.  Drinking Cranberry juice is an excellent way to clear out Urinary Tract Infections.

7 Foods and Drinks That May Cause Cloudy Urine

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods-that-cause-cloudy-urine#7.-Coffee-and-tea

 

You can take Vitamin B3, niacin, in the form of Niacinamide or nicotinamide (not related to nicotine in tobacco) to clear up Candida.  

Effect of Nicotinamide Against Candida albicans

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6443637/

The vitamins you are taking do not have enough B12.  Low B12 can cause bladder problems, incontinence and urgency.  

Hope this helps!

Thank you ! I think I'll consider changing the vitamins. I managed to get some vitamin D in a pharmacy, but to my surprise, they didn't have any vitamin B complex ! So this makes me wonder a few things because I remember reading that all the B12 aren't always assimilated the same way (or that we only absorb a portion of these) do you have more informations about this ? 

Oh and I don't take much of the foods known for triggering UTI in this article (the only meats I eat are chicken/turkey or fish but only those which aren't too heavy on the stomach, I don't tolerate tuna or mackerel very well for example) anyway, after stopping the vitamins then, attempting them again, they definitely triggered something in the bladder again.

As far as I know, vitamin C in the form of supplements can trigger this. Not when taken in fruits so I think I'll switch to something more natural for that one. And as others mentionned, there may be few other components/ingredients that are difficult to process too.

So I think will switch to something else concerning vitamins. Thanks for all of your advices !

 

[Wheatwacked]

I buy each vitamin by itself. That way I can gauge its individual effect. Cost wise I think it may even be cheaper, because I am not paying for some exotic super nutrient or combo that markets well but does not help. I know there are lots of studies on bioavailability, but they all go into the stomach where they are processed at pH 2 and then the resulting chyme is raised to 6.8 pH going into the small intestine and there passes into our bodies, so I once a day take them all together and let my gut take what it needs. The key is finding the correct quantity of each one to override malabsorption and store some extra.

[Spherical Bird]

11 hours ago, Wheatwacked said:

I buy each vitamin by itself. That way I can gauge its individual effect. Cost wise I think it may even be cheaper, because I am not paying for some exotic super nutrient or combo that markets well but does not help. I know there are lots of studies on bioavailability, but they all go into the stomach where they are processed at pH 2 and then the resulting chyme is raised to 6.8 pH going into the small intestine and there passes into our bodies, so I once a day take them all together and let my gut take what it needs. The key is finding the correct quantity of each one to override malabsorption and store some extra.

I think I will resolutely do that.

It annoys me but the UTI seems to be back since I took the vitamins again. In addition, I suspect that gluten stains in buckwheat crepes are causing extra problems too... I believed stains were fine because I was able to eat other cereals that were also damaging to me (corn) because of their prolamins and effects on my throat and guts, but without getting an UTI. So... Silly me thought it was ok to try stains of gluten. And now I feel dumb.

I'm genuinely lost with all of these things. Thank God I see a nutritionist tomorrow but my guts just makes me feel so awful..

If I understood correctly, B and D are the main ones that are lacking when we are intolerant, right ? 

[Wheatwacked]

By my count there are 17 absorbed in the duodenum/small intestine.  B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B9, B12, Calcium, Choline, Copper, D3, Iodine, Iron, vitamin K, Magnesium, Potassium, Zinc.  Scary, right?

[Spherical Bird]

11 hours ago, Wheatwacked said:

By my count there are 17 absorbed in the duodenum/small intestine.  B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B9, B12, Calcium, Choline, Copper, D3, Iodine, Iron, vitamin K, Magnesium, Potassium, Zinc.  Scary, right?

It is ! And this is intruiging too...

I remember that my first blood test with the possible implication of gluten intolerances had results that were fine when it comes to Calcium, Potassium. Except iron which was reaching bad levels (on periods of course) B9 were fine too, I was careful of eating different sorts of peas or beans...B12 however was under the average. And regarding the others, sadly, I was never tested.

Hence my wonders about B vitamins and D ones. I seems to be frequently deficient in D too though on the few tests that I had.

Something that got me confused though is that my liver enzymes (bilirubine) and total cholesterol will always surpass the average each time I struggle to digest something. I've learned that cholesterol kind of help to heal from something. Hence why older people usually have higher levels.

And this is frustrating because from what I'm reading I'm pretty sure my sleep was disturbed by thiamine deficiency. The improvements I've seen with some more vitamines has just been crazy. Same goes for the glutamate problems too (which probably were responsible of my sleep problems too) 

All of these things started as I moved to a new home and ate differently. It started with emotional issues, then vision problems, migraines, then dermatologic issues. Maybe the belly problems were here earlier actually but one of my parent always assumed it was just part of my personality since childhood so... I guess that explain the delay of it all.

And all of this makes me wonder:

Do you have bloodtests that allows to check all of the vitamins levels where you live ? Mine are always very fragmented when it comes to these. There's always a lot about the bloodflow and bile/liver in them but too few informations about these.... I wonder why...

[Wheatwacked]

Regarding vitamin D, I have been taking 10,000 IU a day since 2015. In 2019 my blood plasma was 47 ng/ml. In Aug 2021, 87ng/ml and Jan 2022 it was 80. My 42-year-old son, diagnosed with Celiac Disease as an infant in 1976 recently was tested as low for vitamin D. Here's the kicker: He works year-round in the sun as an ocean lifeguard in Southern Florida.

With Potassium, Calcium and some others the blood plasma levels are tightly controlled by specific organs so the blood tests really just indicate that those systems are working. 98% of our body's Potassium is intracellular and magnesium powers the potassium pump. That differential is what allows nutrients to cross the cell membrane. Not enough potassium -->harder to supply cellular metabolism.

Some, like iodine, sufficient intake can only be calculated from urine tests

I recently ran across an article that to me connects chronic low B12, high homocysteine (a marker of vascular inflammation) and inadequate choline. sorry, I did not save the article.

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CHOLINE - THE MOST IMPORTANT NUTRIENT OF THE BODY

Choline is a fat emulsifier and reduces the surface tension in fat and bile. Choline is one of the salts you will see in healthy bile which allows the body to breakdown fat into fatty acids for the building of the brain, supplying cell membranes, and dozens of critical processes of the body. It also breaks down the plaquing that you see from toxic buildup in the brain causing amyloid plaque. We are again back to healthy bile as the universal detergent and crucial element for a healthy nervous system.

 

Sorry, I'm rambling.

[Spherical Bird]

2 hours ago, Wheatwacked said:

Regarding vitamin D, I have been taking 10,000 IU a day since 2015. In 2019 my blood plasma was 47 ng/ml. In Aug 2021, 87ng/ml and Jan 2022 it was 80. My 42-year-old son, diagnosed with Celiac Disease as an infant in 1976 recently was tested as low for vitamin D. Here's the kicker: He works year-round in the sun as an ocean lifeguard in Southern Florida.

With Potassium, Calcium and some others the blood plasma levels are tightly controlled by specific organs so the blood tests really just indicate that those systems are working. 98% of our body's Potassium is intracellular and magnesium powers the potassium pump. That differential is what allows nutrients to cross the cell membrane. Not enough potassium -->harder to supply cellular metabolism.

Some, like iodine, sufficient intake can only be calculated from urine tests

I recently ran across an article that to me connects chronic low B12, high homocysteine (a marker of vascular inflammation) and inadequate choline. sorry, I did not save the article.

Sorry, I'm rambling.

Don't worry, this is always interesting to read ! I just came back from an appointement with a dietitian and one of her guesses was that I may struggle with fats. So, what you mentionned make sense ! She didn't seems to know much about histamine though. 

However, I learned today that candidosis (to which we can be more prone too - and I wonder if I didn't mixed this up with UTI, I may have both...anyway) well, it can also create an histamine intolerance too:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1856330/

And with no surprises, vitamin supplements can be of a great help to fight this too. Because it seems that the candida, aside from sugars, feeds itself with biotin too (so the effects aren't all that great when cured with biotin/B8 alone) However Vitamin B complex seems to be the best for this so... Hopefully the next complex (probably the B kind) will work well this time !

Oh and by the way I was also wondering about vitamins interactions between themselves B complex mixed with drops of D for example... and also with probiotics - lactobacillus  (I've read that these can boost D absorption so I'm questionning it all now !) I think it should be fine but we never know... Have you encountered any issue ? 

 

 

 

[Wheatwacked]

4 hours ago, Spherical Bird said:

lactobacillus

Naturally Fermented Pickles; it can help with lactose intolerance.

Here is a sample meal plan with almost 100%

 

 

[ccortes82]

I have had a similar experience, where my sex drive is increased when I eat gluten and am dealing with the symptoms. I think it is because some bad bacteria is thriving in your damaged gut and releasing chemicals into your bloodstream that increase libido. That is the only thing I can think of. Or it is a side effect of the symptoms in some way. One supplement that has made me feel normal again and has increased my libido in general has been panax ginseng. It has helped me deal with the anxiety, depression, foggy head and low sex drive that has become an issue for me even when I am eating healthy and completely abstaining from gluten. Research it and try it out. I have tried many things and this is by far the most effective to treat multiple symptoms that have come with my gut issues.

[Scott Adams]

I've never heard of someone with gluten sensitivity whose libido increased when they ate gluten. For most people it seems like the opposite would be the case.

[knitty kitty]

The Autoimmune reaction to gluten includes the release of histamine by mast cells.  High histamine level symptoms include brain fog, anxiety and depression.  

Panax ginseng lowers histamine by preventing mast cells from releasing histamine.  

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3659609/

Histamine can be found in foods, too.  You might find a low histamine Paleo diet would be helpful in lowering histamine levels.  

(The body increases Histamine levels before sex, and decrease rapidly afterwards in men.) 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21950740/

P.S. Low Vitamin D can cause low libido, too.  

Have you talked to your doctor about supplementing with vitamins while on a gluten free diet?  Malabsorption of nutrients is common in celiac disease.  

Edited July 11, 2024 by knitty kitty
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