Are some of us over doing our Protein intake ??

[Scott Adams]

I mentioned that around the time of my celiac diagnosis I was also diagnosed with H. pylori and, once again, was given a dose of antibiotics. In fact, I was given several doses of antibiotics during the years leading up to my diagnosis, and each time I had some relief of my celiac symptoms, however, I believe that this did not help things, and ultimately was counter-productive, and this approach may have made my recovery period longer than normal. 

Wiping out your gut flora with antibiotics at a time when you have severe damage from celiac disease, in my case "total villous atrophy," was probably a bad idea, but my doctor was young, and I was his first celiac disease patient (because, after all, it was a "very rare" disease with only 1/5,000 people getting it...at least that was the view in 1994).

Treating my celiac disease with a gluten-free diet, taking badly needed supplements and probiotics, and letting my gut heal would likely have been the fastest and best way to rid myself of H. pylori. To this day I have no idea if the antibiotics cured me of H. pylori. I tend to doubt it due to all of the ongoing issues and symptoms I still had for the 2-3 years after my diagnosis, and I suspect that after my gut healed my H. pylori issues also went away, although my doctor never re-tested me for H. pylori.

[Scott Adams]

I believe the H. pylori diagnosis in many celiac patients is caused by it's ability to thrive within a damaged gut.

[Jackie Garrett]

Yes Scott and an acidic environment which it seems to tolerate, maybe it doesn’t do so well when it’s not feeding off of acidic things ??? Maybe that’s why a lot of people are doing so well on a lower histamine diet, avoiding Gluten and Dairy, not such an acidic environment to thrive in and a lot of their symptoms are vanishing, Less histamine in the body,  maybe most of us carry this bacteria and how we feed it through our diet could be the reactions we get from it, just thinking allowed (my opinion) and what it excretes cause histamine intolerance, just another angle to look at ??? The people who test for this should fill out what their diet contains, it’s no good testing Celiacs if they have been avoiding Gluten or Dairy because that would give false results. Does this bacteria take our nutrients I wonder ? 

[Jackie Garrett]

1 hour ago, Scott Adams said:

I mentioned that around the time of my celiac diagnosis I was also diagnosed with H. pylori and, once again, was given a dose of antibiotics. In fact, I was given several doses of antibiotics during the years leading up to my diagnosis, and each time I had some relief of my celiac symptoms, however, I believe that this did not help things, and ultimately was counter-productive, and this approach may have made my recovery period longer than normal. 

Wiping out your gut flora with antibiotics at a time when you have severe damage from celiac disease, in my case "total villous atrophy," was probably a bad idea, but my doctor was young, and I was his first celiac disease patient (because, after all, it was a "very rare" disease with only 1/5,000 people getting it...at least that was the view in 1994).

Treating my celiac disease with a gluten-free diet, taking badly needed supplements and probiotics, and letting my gut heal would likely have been the fastest and best way to rid myself of H. pylori. To this day I have no idea if the antibiotics cured me of H. pylori. I tend to doubt it due to all of the ongoing issues and symptoms I still had for the 2-3 years after my diagnosis, and I suspect that after my gut healed my H. pylori issues also went away, although my doctor never re-tested me for H. pylori.

You may test positive for it but because your not having symptoms and your gut has hopefully healed now and if Gluten or Dairy or higher acidic things was it’s food source and your not having that now, maybe it’s kept at bay, this is just questioning things, not Science backed.

[Scott Adams]

I know that there is something like a fad diet now that is called the "low histamine" diet, but again, you are throwing around too many "what ifs" here. I could make the exact same statement you are making but turn them around and say what if the reason that so many celiacs are not getting better is because they don't have enough enough acid in their stomachs? There is a lot of evidence to support this idea, and many people who have taken HCL tablets to increase their stomach acid levels have reported here in this forum that it helped them a lot. 

[Jackie Garrett]

9 hours ago, Scott Adams said:

I know that there is something like a fad diet now that is called the "low histamine" diet, but again, you are throwing around too many "what ifs" here. I could make the exact same statement you are making but turn them around and say what if the reason that so many celiacs are not getting better is because they don't have enough enough acid in their stomachs? There is a lot of evidence to support this idea, and many people who have take HCL tablets to increase their stomach acid levels have reported here in this forum that it helped them a lot. 

Scott, I believe the acids from some peoples diet and the amount of certain bacteria in their gut go on to  cause a Leaky gut which then causes lower acid in some depending on the extent of the Leaky gut, leaking Acids, Toxins, Bacteria into the body and blood stream, making the body become more acidic, so what starts out as a high acidic environment can change to a lower one in some probably more severe cases. Once the gut starts to leak through too much of the wrong acids from our diet, the problem start,  leaky gut being another contributing factor of many of our health problems not just celiac. The low histamine diet has helped many many people, it is lower in acids, so it gives the stomach chance to heal, i know a lot of diets are faddy, but not this one, I would like to call it a healing diet,many people are getting relief from this diet, maybe once healed the diet can be adapted to have more acidic fruit again and more healthier acids, I found I was reacting to all acids when I was consuming milk, when I came off gradually I could have higher acid fruit again from time to time, but what I can’t have is Dairy and things with man made high histamines in, starter cultures, fermented things in the ingredients no additives etc. This diet is helping people recover it’s becoming very popular. I personally think this diet should be used to help/treat alongside other treatments,  many of our major illnesses of today.

[Scott Adams]

I realize that you have this belief, but so far I just don’t see much science to support the very broad PH level claims that you often make here. Please see:

https://health.ucsd.edu/news/features/Pages/2019-05-06-pHear-pHactor-debunking-the-alkaline-diet.aspx 

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/the-alkaline-diet-myth

https://www.chatelaine.com/health/debunking-the-alkaline-diet/amp/

https://www.insider.com/alkaline-diet?amp

 

[Jackie Garrett]

11 hours ago, Scott Adams said:

I realize that you have this belief, but so far I just don’t see much science to support the very broad PH level claims that you often make here. Please see:

https://health.ucsd.edu/news/features/Pages/2019-05-06-pHear-pHactor-debunking-the-alkaline-diet.aspx 

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/the-alkaline-diet-myth

https://www.chatelaine.com/health/debunking-the-alkaline-diet/amp/

https://www.insider.com/alkaline-diet?amp

 

I don’t eat all Alkaline foods i would say about 80%  neutral and Alkaline and 20% acidic which would include meat and grains which is I believe is a good balance, we are what we eat and drink and having too many acidic  foods and drinks in our diet can set off inflammation so when you have this underlying inflammation going on setting off different symptoms in our bodies histamine is released  trying to correct things, and this is putting pressure on our liver, kidneys, and thyroid to work harder, so by following a diet with less acids/ man made acids in puts less pressure on our organs, and yes I believe it can alter ph of the blood through what we eat/ drink because of the bodies raised histamine reaction causing more acidity in the body,  just because articles are written doesn’t mean they are always right, I know what too much acid in my diet does to me and my health so I will stick to my 80/20 more neutral/ alkaline way of eating, I just naturally eat this way now, it’s how my body made me eat this way I am keeping well eating like this, fingers crossed, it was before I discovered anything about the Alkaline diet I know that milk/ Dairy and starter cultures  was a histamine liberator in me making more acidity in my body, so it kind of made common sense to me, we will all have different opinions on things, that will never change  but when people are getting good outcomes from what they are eating and avoiding is worth taking on board and sharing.

[Wheatwacked]

4 hours ago, Jackie Garrett said:

too many acidic foods and drinks in our diet can set off inflammation

"They" want us to believe it is our choice of food that makes us sick. Distracts us thinking about wheat in canned goods like tomato soup, to addict us and buy more. Or that the omega 6:3 in our diet is as high as 20:1 instead of the optimum 2:1. The staples foods we eat have been manipulated to increase profit, far more than health while increasing inflammation. Commercial Milk has omega 6:3 ratio is upwards of 5:1. Organic Milk is 2.5:1 and 100% Pasture Fed is around 1:1. Bread used to be our dietary source of iodine. They replaced it with bromine and are stockpiling the iodine in tablets for nuclear disaster. France has begun distributing iodine tablets to their citizens living near a reactor. They said eggs are causing heart attacks and now only 10% of us eat enough choline. And still having heart attacks. Too much protein started in the 60"s and seems to me making a revival. Too much fat so we eat low fat and are getting fatter. 

The Truth About Potassium Bromate   "Potassium bromate is also illegal in the European Union, Canada, Brazil and elsewhere because it causes cancer in rats and mice. In the United States, however, it has remained legal since it was first patented for use in baking bread, in 1914... In 1982, researchers in Japan published the first of a series of studies showing that potassium bromate causes cancer in the thyroids, kidneys and other body parts of rats and mice."

[Jackie Garrett]

13 hours ago, Jackie Garrett said:

I don’t eat all Alkaline foods i would say about 80%  neutral and Alkaline and 20% acidic which would include meat and grains which is I believe is a good balance, we are what we eat and drink and having too many acidic  foods and drinks in our diet can set off inflammation so when you have this underlying inflammation going on setting off different symptoms in our bodies histamine is released  trying to correct things, and this is putting pressure on our liver, kidneys, and thyroid to work harder, so by following a diet with less acids/ man made acids in puts less pressure on our organs, and yes I believe it can alter ph of the blood through what we eat/ drink because of the bodies raised histamine reaction causing more acidity in the body,  just because articles are written doesn’t mean they are always right, I know what too much acid in my diet does to me and my health so I will stick to my 80/20 more neutral/ alkaline way of eating, I just naturally eat this way now, it’s how my body made me eat this way I am keeping well eating like this, fingers crossed, it was before I discovered anything about the Alkaline diet I know that milk/ Dairy and starter cultures  was a histamine liberator in me making more acidity in my body, so it kind of made common sense to me, we will all have different opinions on things, that will never change  but when people are getting good outcomes from what they are eating and avoiding is worth taking on board and sharing.

I am wondering if the low histamine diet helps control H.Pylori because you are not feeding this bacteria with too many proteins and sugars and maybe that’s why people are improving with their healths, or it could be that the low histamine diet doesn’t include Gluten and Dairy/red meat proteins, sugars, hence less acids. So maybe by keeping these things to a reduced amount in our diets will help our healths and keep the bad bacteria h.pyloric down in our bodies ??? 

[Scott Adams]

On 5/22/2022 at 12:31 AM, Jackie Garrett said:

I don’t eat all Alkaline foods...having too many acidic  foods and drinks in our diet can set off inflammation so when you have this underlying inflammation going on setting off different symptoms in our bodies histamine is released  trying to correct things, and this is putting pressure on our liver, kidneys, and thyroid to work harder, so by following a diet with less acids/ man made acids in puts less pressure on our organs, and yes I believe it can alter ph of the blood through what we eat/ drink because of the bodies raised histamine reaction causing more acidity in the body,  just because articles are written doesn’t mean they are always right...

Again, I know you believe these ideas, but I've shared with you articles from reputable sites, and within each are many links to other sources, which indicate that science does not support the idea that you can "alter ph of the blood through what we eat/ drink," or that "following a diet with less acids/ man made acids in puts less pressure on our organs." So please don't push these ideas on this forum.

[Wheatwacked]

On 4/26/2022 at 9:43 PM, Jackie Garrett said:

Proteins causing an accumulation in the body and the liver and kidneys are struggling to process these fats,

Too much fat, too much protein, and not enough exercise have all been bandied about as the cause of all our ills since the sixties and yet as a population we are getting sicker. H Pylori is an infectious disease caused by poor sanitation and is not easy to get rid of. It, like Celiac Disease causes nutritional deficiencies and these deficiencies cause symptoms that overlap with Celiac Disease. Those vitamins and minerals are the tools our body uses to convert food to life.

I understand that you are in denial about Celiac Disease. Almost everyone is. Have you tried GFD and did anything improve or are you just in denial? Not everything though I wish it were so, is improved with just GFD.  Once the morphine like effects of the wheat are gone you may begin to feel the effects of malnutrition from other reasons even more. H Pylori or dietary deficiencies for example. Same symptoms, different causes. Somehow, as a species we made it through thousands of years drinking milk and eating meat but since 1970 our health is declining. Oh! That's when they said we eat too much bad stuff! It is not what we eat, but what we don't eat.

Get checked and treated for H Pylori if you have it, replenish your vitamin and mineral deficiencies and then try GFD again.

[Jackie Garrett]

I am certainly not in denial about Celiac Disease, i don’t where that came from ?? I believe the amount of certain types of bad bacteria in our bodies and what we feed it can bring on symptoms that can cause Celiac Disease and many, many other Diseases, and certain Proteins seem to be a trigger in some of us, so by me cutting out Dairy, byproducts, starter cultures (Lactic acid and Citric acid that are used to ferment things my symptoms go away, I don’t know what they ferment Tea with but that affected me quite bad, if I have any of them my symptoms  return so to me they must be feeding the bad bacteria ?? Does the bad bacteria reside in these fats and accumulates is this how the bad bacteria enter our bodies ??? And then does these bad bacteria feed off of other Proteins that we ingest, that would probably not cause some of us problems if it weren’t for the build up of certain bad bacteria, so if all of us with allergies and sensitivities didn’t have this accumulation of the bad bacteria then we would be ok, so by all the cultures that are used in our food/ drinks and bacteria that can not be killed off by pasteurisation (and is not even pasteurised at all)and is used in processing are getting into our bodies, also we may have started off with higher amounts of this bacteria from the womb/ birth, so by avoidance we can control our symptoms but we  need to stop ingesting this bacteria and what this bacteria excretes to keep us well. When we have inflammation in our bodies from what we are ingesting that is probably making us more Sensitive/prone to other allergies,  Pollen, Dust mites, feathers etc.  I think many more of us are Celiac     that are walking around undiagnosed. So by eating as nature intended and not eating and drinking all the stuff and rubbish with all these additives in and too much fatty proteins will maybe keep bad bacteria at bay, like it is doing with me. I believe the bad bacteria strips us of our nutrients and yes we have to replace them with good nutritious food and replace some of our drinks with more water, it might be a bit boring at times but it’s the best. So by me avoiding and restricting these strains of bacteria and what it is in I keep well. With people with no symptoms/allergies is that because they have the right amount good and bad bacteria in their bodies. I can eat wheat and gluten but I don’t have much anyway, I cook mostly from scratch so I am not having extra additives that these can be used in, so hence keeping these extra hidden proteins down. So to finalise once our bad bacteria is lowered and we do not over feed it the wrong foods/ drinks/acids we can improve our healths and that includes major Diseases. By me changing things in my diet has changed my life.

[Jackie Garrett]

I  think it’s not just Gluten alone that brings on Celiac Disease, My opinion.

[Jackie Garrett]

17 hours ago, Scott Adams said:

Again, I know you believe these ideas, but I've shared with you articles from reputable sites, and within each are many links to other sources, which indicate that science does not support the idea that you can "alter ph of the blood through what we eat/ drink," or that "following a diet with less acids/ man made acids in puts less pressure on our organs." So please don't push these ideas on this forum.

As these low histamine/lower acid/Alkaline  diets are beginning to help a lot of people and it’s becoming very popular maybe its too early to be proven by scientists yet, but it is proving  to help a lot of peoples symptoms now and that’s what counts. Maybe scientist are starting to look into this now as we are the proof that what foods/ drinks/ additives/ byproducts  can do to our  our healths, not to forget Lactose/Gluten  in medications,  so  by me sharing what happened to me, may help someone on this Forum. And I still believe that what we ingest can alter blood ph. Science or not. 

[Jackie Garrett]

3 hours ago, Jackie Garrett said:

As these low histamine/lower acid/Alkaline  diets are beginning to help a lot of people and it’s becoming very popular maybe its too early to be proven by scientists yet, but it is proving  to help a lot of peoples symptoms now and that’s what counts. Maybe scientist are starting to look into this now as we are the proof that what foods/ drinks/ additives/ byproducts  can do to our  our healths, not to forget Lactose/Gluten  in medications,  so  by me sharing what happened to me, may help someone on this Forum. And I still believe that what we ingest can alter blood ph. Science or not. 

I think opinions are starting to change Scott.https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322557#the-acid-ash-hypothesis

[Jackie Garrett]

58 minutes ago, Jackie Garrett said:

I think opinions are starting to change Scott.https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322557#the-acid-ash-hypothesis

https://annarborholistichealth.com/2015-4-29-the-effect-of-body-acidity-on-health/

[Scott Adams]

You can find articles about anything online, these are not peer-reviewed scientific publications, they are simply articles talking about this acid/ash hypothesis. A hypothesis is simply an idea that needs to be investigated through scientific inquiry, experiments, and data gathering, but none of this has happened with this idea, and in fact, you can find more articles about it that are skeptical than you can articles like the ones you posted.

[Scott Adams]

This is an interesting new study "Prevalence and Clinical Significance of Helicobacter Pylori-negative Chronic Gastritis in Children"

https://journals.lww.com/jpgn/Abstract/2022/05000/Prevalence_and_Clinical_Significance_of.2.aspx

[Wheatwacked]

Food for thought.

[Posterboy]

On 5/24/2022 at 9:36 AM, Jackie Garrett said:

I think opinions are starting to change Scott.https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322557#the-acid-ash-hypothesis

Jackie Garrett,

I think Scott has given you good advice.

I am late to this conversation......and I have only lightly scanned the topic......so this might or might not be helpful.

But it is a misnomer that in an average person diet that we can change our bodies acid base from our diet alone.

If you read all the way to the end of the article you cited.....

they note and summarize....in their Takeaways that quoting

"Contrary to the acid-ash hypothesis, there is no evidence to suggest that acidic foods are harmful to health. It is simply not possible to alter the pH of the blood through diet alone. A blood pH that is excessively acidic or alkaline indicates a serious underlying medical issue"

But supplementing with Mineral Citrates can.....(especially Magnesium Citrate can).......

I highly recommend Magnesium Citrate with meals to you ......if you body acid base is out of whack.

See this article from  the Kidney Coach why this important and how Mineral Citrates like Magnesium Citrate restores your body blood pH to normal levels.

https://www.kidneycoach.com/causes-of-kidney-disease/magnesium-citrate-its-use-in-renal-disease/

I will quote  their section on Magnesium Citrate to restore the body's acid base balance.

Using magnesium citrate to alkalise

"Magnesium citrate makes a great choice of alkalising supplement because it combines the numerous beneficial actions of a magnesium supplement with the alkalising actions of citrate.

I won’t go through the benefits of magnesium supplementation for people with CKD here because there are a lot of them! But if you’re interested, have a look at our blog post: https://www.kidneycoach.com/associated-conditions/magnesium-and-chronic-kidney-disease-what-you-need-to-know/

Magnesium citrate is a well-absorbed form of magnesium supplement. After being dissolved in water, citrate carries the magnesium quickly and safely through the acidic environment of the stomach to the intestines where magnesium can be freed easily from the citrate carrier allowing the magnesium to be easily absorbed into the bloodstream.

The citrate portion of magnesium citrate is then available to bind to the acidic hydrogen ions in the blood, converting them to carbon dioxide and water for easy excretion"

Many Celiacs are low in Stomach Acid and this can cause us to be low in many of our minerals like Iron, Zinc, Copper and Magnesium etc. most importantly and how our body's acid base (IE Homeostasis) can get off when our stomach acid is too low!

Magnesium Citrate should be taken with meals for best results!

I hope this is helpful but it is not medical advice.

2 Timothy 2: 7 “Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things” this included.

Good luck on your continued journey!

Posterboy by the Grace of God,