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Dysphagia from specific foods ? But mostly corn...


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Hello everyone ! I've been wondering a lot what exactly is happening with this symptom in particular because I always thought it was really bizarre !

I can't remember very well if gluten used to cause a similar effect (it was more a general thightness in the throat, and I remember nights where I'd wake up scared and trying to gasp for air too) but I noticed that, each time I eat corn, I end up having problems with my throat.

It really feels like it lacks muscle tone and "disalign" itself with the rest of the neck. I've never been able to identify what precisely in the corn would trigger this but this is scary. 

Has anyone else encountered that problem too ? Do you know what it might be ?


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When you describe "tightness in the throat" it makes it seem like an allergy issue, have you ever had food allergy tests done? Is there any swelling associated with it?

Some celiacs also cannot tolerate corn, so I also wonder if it could be a corn intolerance.

Spherical Bird Contributor
19 hours ago, Scott Adams said:

When you describe "tightness in the throat" it makes it seem like an allergy issue, have you ever had food allergy tests done? Is there any swelling associated with it?

Some celiacs also cannot tolerate corn, so I also wonder if it could be a corn intolerance.

Thank you for your answer !

I've had allergy tests done (bloodtests) and nothing special about corn showed up. But I'm pretty sure I'm not imagining the symtoms : it's so systematic after corn that it's very puzzling. And scary too... I mean, I kind of wish I wouldn't have to move my throat manually when this happens but this is what I have to do most of the time.

I don't seems to encounter such serious issues with cornstarch though. I think I need to try it again, just to be sure about it... Something led me to believe it was the lightness of cornstarch which eliminates all of the prolamins too, it always seemed likely, but maybe it's something else. I wouldn't know. 

I was thinking of histamines since I've found a lot of things I'm sensitive to actually are in this category but nothing ! It doesn't even seems to be rich in histamines. So I'm thinking I may have something else but damn... 

I have a feeling it's such a long road to know precisely what is the root problem of these intolerances ! It all seems so diverse.

knitty kitty Grand Master

Dysphagia (difficulty swallowing)  and sleep apnea (waking up gasping for air) have been identified as symptoms of thiamine insufficiency.

Spherical Bird Contributor
2 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

Dysphagia (difficulty swallowing)  and sleep apnea (waking up gasping for air) have been identified as symptoms of thiamine insufficiency.

I see... Thiamine again... Could corn prolamins actually worsen that symptom in particular ? I can't think of other foods that seems to trigger this.

Histamine from avocados caused something different, more like a shortness of breath, tachycardia but there wasn't the problem with my throat that "disalign" or jam itself.

But I assume it's a matter or absorption, and that a few foods impair this once again. Or activate a mecanism. Am I right ?

knitty kitty Grand Master

A thiamine deficiency would not be caused by the corn prolamins.  Thiamine is needed to convert carbohydrates into energy.  If you're consuming a high carbohydrate diet, you could be running low on thiamine.

Or perhaps it's an oral allergy?  Do your lips and tongue burn or swell when eating corn?  

Some people react to the protein in corn as though it were gluten.  Sometimes we make antibodies against corn protein because parts of it resembles gluten protein segments.  The AIP diet (Autoimmune Protocol Diet) excludes all grains for several weeks while the intestines heals.

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12 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

A thiamine deficiency would not be caused by the corn prolamins.  Thiamine is needed to convert carbohydrates into energy.  If you're consuming a high carbohydrate diet, you could be running low on thiamine.

Or perhaps it's an oral allergy?  Do your lips and tongue burn or swell when eating corn?  

Some people react to the protein in corn as though it were gluten.  Sometimes we make antibodies against corn protein because parts of it resembles gluten protein segments.  The AIP diet (Autoimmune Protocol Diet) excludes all grains for several weeks while the intestines heals.

This is the confusing part, I didn't scored anything on allergy tests. However, given how certain foods give me rhinitis, tachycardia and all the likes, I can tell I have histamine intolerance. Maybe this is what I mistaken for a gluten intolerance actually, but I have a feeling it's both anyway.

I've also been wondering about multiple sclerosis symptoms because according to recent studies, specifically Dr Alessio Fasano's studies, this auto-immune disorder also implies gut porosity problems (and so does type 1 diabetes and a bunch of others apparently...) and corn seems really unrecommended if we have it (not sure of the exact mecanisms behind this there, but probably inflammatory, I guess...)

I know some of my aunts resolutely had intolerance problems and one of them who had MS had to follow a special diet too. And the more time pass, the more I wonder about this disorder in particular because I remember my main trait/attitudes back then used to be a lack of tonicity and ataxia. My throat definitely feels like it lack tonicity !

Which makes sense if you think about it... A lack of B12 to help the nerves and boom. And once again, it's an issue people with MS have too. It's wild how things are interconnected.

Again, some vitamins supplements seems recommended here too. So I think I'll have a look at the ones you have recommended on some other topics. I've gotten a B complex, not so long ago, but I'm still affraid on the possible side effects on the bladder (and bladder issues, alongside vision problems, tonicity and mental problems are also part of the MS symptoms, hence my concerns) so, the thing is just lying there unopened... (it's the GloryFeel brand)

And once again, I'm bummed because I've pursued my searches for doctors where I live but everyone say they have too many patients. And this is really infuriating because I feel that trachea problem is the most important issue. But nope, apparently, this is still not serious enough for any of them to think I have something bad. But well, at least I have a feeling I may be able to ask for more precise tests if I ever get one.

But sigh... Health can be complicated.


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