Feels like I can’t eat anything

[SargeMaximus]

1 hour ago, trents said:

So, help me understand. You seem convinced that gluten is not your problem and that you don't have either celiac disease or NCGS. Then why did you come here to an online community dedicated to helping people who likely have one of those two gluten-related problems?

I never said any of that. Read the OP to see why I came here. 

[trents]

20 minutes ago, SargeMaximus said:

I never said any of that. Read the OP to see why I came here. 

From the OP: "Tried giving up gluten but I need carbs."

"I’ve never been diagnosed for celiac but I got off gluten years ago and I felt great so I’m assuming that is the answer."

You felt great after giving up gluten but now you are back to eating wheat bread sandwiches and feel crummy. But in a more recent post you said you gave up bread and it didn't help. I am totally confused. So are you saying that going gluten free helped for a while in the past but tummy problems eventually set back in?

Edited February 5, 2023 by trents

[SargeMaximus]

29 minutes ago, trents said:

From the OP: "Tried giving up gluten but I need carbs."

"I’ve never been diagnosed for celiac but I got off gluten years ago and I felt great so I’m assuming that is the answer."

You felt great after giving up gluten but now you are back to eating wheat bread sandwiches and feel crummy. But in a more recent post you said you gave up bread and it didn't help. I am totally confused. So are you saying that going gluten free helped for a while in the past but tummy problems eventually set back in?

So I need carbs. Let’s take that as a given, ok? Now, I recently started a new job where I need snacks. In comes bread. Because it’s the only carb I can use on the go that I know of.

 

also, I have burgers from time to time. And I feel amazing after eating one but not if I eat one everyday. I assumed that bread would help with my insane need for carbs. Obviously that doesn’t seem to be working.

 

i specifically came here to see if people who live with celiac might know of carbs I could use that I haven’t thought of. Make sense now?

[trents]

If it makes sense to you, that's all that matters. Sorry, I didn't mean for this exchange to get contentious but this thread has extended out to eight pages and sometimes seems to be going around in circles. Peace!

[SargeMaximus]

21 minutes ago, trents said:

If it makes sense to you, that's all that matters. Sorry, I didn't mean for this exchange to get contentious but this thread has extended out to eight pages and sometimes seems to be going around in circles. Peace!

I don’t know why you feel the need to waste my time like this.

 

anyhow, update:

Had the B-1 with every meal today. No bread, no gluten at all. Feeling weak and like whatever food I eat does nothing at all. Sitting is painful. Very frustrating.

Ate nothing but gluten free oatmeal, Beans, Potatoes, chicken, ground beef, orange juice all day 

[Wheatwacked]

 

I recently went on a Lucky Charms binge. Even without the fiber oats are good and for energy you can't beat sugar. Sprinke on Inulin for fiber. (unless Diabetic). Cheerios has less sugar. They also have the vitamins added that gluten products are required. Snickers are a go to. M&M Peanuts. Potato chips, Frito's, Popcorn (check flavoring ingredients. Fruit, 4% cottage cheese, Fermented pickles but not with vinegar you want the lactobaccillus, Watermelon is awesome. In season I eat at least a pound a day. Most plain canned veggies (rinse well). For about 4 weeks eat whatever as long as it is gluten free. Takes that long to break old habits.

Keep up the B1.  You've paid for it, you may be so depleted it will take a few days. I was at 2k for a while but I had my best response energy wise with 500 mg of B1, B3, B5, B12, and choline at the same time. The beans cover folate. Iodine is essential in muscle tone. I eat Nori.  B1 for carbs and fat, B3 for better perfusion (thats the flush it goes away), B5 creates the ATP in the Krebbs cycle. Any of these lacking is like a worker not showing up on the assembly line. The whole process slows down. Better to have extra guys in the breakroom in case needed.Choline is a major part of cellular structure and essential in bile. Can't build more muscle without it.

Edited February 5, 2023 by Wheatwacked

[SargeMaximus]

1 hour ago, Wheatwacked said:

 

I recently went on a Lucky Charms binge. Even without the fiber oats are good and for energy you can't beat sugar. Sprinke on Inulin for fiber. (unless Diabetic). Cheerios has less sugar. They also have the vitamins added that gluten products are required. Snickers are a go to. M&M Peanuts. Potato chips, Frito's, Popcorn (check flavoring ingredients. Fruit, 4% cottage cheese, Fermented pickles but not with vinegar you want the lactobaccillus, Watermelon is awesome. In season I eat at least a pound a day. Most plain canned veggies (rinse well). For about 4 weeks eat whatever as long as it is gluten free. Takes that long to break old habits.

Keep up the B1.  You've paid for it, you may be so depleted it will take a few days. I was at 2k for a while but I had my best response energy wise with 500 mg of B1, B3, B5, B12, and choline at the same time. The beans cover folate. Iodine is essential in muscle tone. I eat Nori.  B1 for carbs and fat, B3 for better perfusion (thats the flush it goes away), B5 creates the ATP in the Krebbs cycle. Any of these lacking is like a worker not showing up on the assembly line. The whole process slows down. Better to have extra guys in the breakroom in case needed.Choline is a major part of cellular structure and essential in bile. Can't build more muscle without it.

Ok thanks, what are the best versions of those? Like the B1 you showed me was best because it is fat soluble  right?

 

also I had an experience today that I have had before but not for a few weeks. Before I go into it I will tell you that yes I have gone to the doctor for this and they say I am fine. So here’s what happened:

 

I ate oatmeal with plain (no sugar) Greek yogurt and a tablespoon of pure maple syrup (supposedly it’s low GLycemic index) anyhow about 20 mins later I got so tired I could barely keep my eyes open. I was nodding off and almost went to bed (even though it’s only around 2 pm). But after about 10-15 mins of that I got my energy back and feel decently normal now if only a bit warm.

 

like I said: I have gone to the doctor for this and they concluded it was a “food coma” but it doesn’t happen to me all the time. That’s the strange thing. So I wonder if it was one of those theee ingredients. Possibly the dairy?

 

oh and do you take 500 mg of B1 per meal? Or per day? Thanks

[knitty kitty]

@SargeMaximus,

Have you tried meaty snacks like turkey or beef jerky for work snacks? 

Larabars are easy snacks, mostly dates and nuts.  

Sticking to gluten free alternatives are better than going back on gluten which will increase inflammation. 

Try increasing the amount of Thiamine.  Some people don't get results until they take 500 or more mgs of Thiamine a day.  There was a time I took 2000 mgs a day.  Do try increasing your dose of Thiamine, spread out every two to three hours.  

 

[SargeMaximus]

3 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

@SargeMaximus,

Have you tried meaty snacks like turkey or beef jerky for work snacks? 

Larabars are easy snacks, mostly dates and nuts.  

Sticking to gluten free alternatives are better than going back on gluten which will increase inflammation. 

Try increasing the amount of Thiamine.  Some people don't get results until they take 500 or more mgs of Thiamine a day.  There was a time I took 2000 mgs a day.  Do try increasing your dose of Thiamine, spread out every two to three hours.  

 

So I can’t have dates or raisins because they make me pee a lot and get dehydrated. Meat doesn’t work either because there’s no calories. I need carbs. I’m thinking of making some potato wedges. I switched to a Mars bar and peanuts these last few days but that sugar leaves me drained end of day and can’t be healthy. My face flares up when I eat sugar as well

 

as for thiamine, will do. I’ll try 2 per meal. I eat at least 4 meals a day, sometimes 6.

 

I felt super drained today tho. It could have been the sugar but I think it was the lack of bread. Bread really does give me energy unfortunately 

[SargeMaximus]

Also I just spent the last 2 hours eating. 3 meals. Starving today because the snacks weren’t sufficient 

[knitty kitty]

@SargeMaximus,

Are you getting enough healthy fats? 

Avocado oil, coconut oil, flaxseed oil, extra virgin olive oil?  

Can you tolerate dairy?  Someone used to put a stick of butter in their coffee in order to get fats.  

Healthy fats are in fatty fish like salmon.  Single serving foil packets of salmon are available.  

Precooked bacon...

Sunflower seed butter instead of peanut butter.  

[SargeMaximus]

5 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

@SargeMaximus,

Are you getting enough healthy fats? 

Avocado oil, coconut oil, flaxseed oil, extra virgin olive oil?  

Can you tolerate dairy?  Someone used to put a stick of butter in their coffee in order to get fats.  

Healthy fats are in fatty fish like salmon.  Single serving foil packets of salmon are available.  

Precooked bacon...

Sunflower seed butter instead of peanut butter.  

I usually put olive oil on my dinner but I’ll add it to every meal I guess. I can’t tolerate dairy but I also put butter in my tea but I don’t drink tea or coffee at work because it dehydrates me

[SargeMaximus]

Update: been off gluten since last week I believe. Had bowel issues today. Not sure if the meat I made wasn’t cooked fully or what but it wasn’t due to gluten since I’m not having any.

im now taking 2 B1 per meal (not lunch tho)

also, my boss took us to Denny’s today. I had gluten free English Muffin, 2 Poached Hard Eggs, Hashbrowns, and Fruit. I had SO much energy and just felt good in general. So today was interesting 

[knitty kitty]

@SargeMaximus,

Cheers for eating gluten free!  

Are you getting enough fiber?  Eat leafy greens.  Collards, kale, mustard greens, turnip greens.  Skip spinach, it's high in oxalates (which form kidney stones).  

Why not at lunch?  If you're doing such physical work, keeping thiamine levels up would be beneficial.

Glad you had a good day! 

 

[SargeMaximus]

42 minutes ago, knitty kitty said:

@SargeMaximus,

Cheers for eating gluten free!  

Are you getting enough fiber?  Eat leafy greens.  Collards, kale, mustard greens, turnip greens.  Skip spinach, it's high in oxalates (which form kidney stones).  

Why not at lunch?  If you're doing such physical work, keeping thiamine levels up would be beneficial.

Glad you had a good day! 

 

Thanks! Yeah I just keep forgetting to pack the B1 is all. As for fibre, wouldn’t my beans have enough fibre?

[knitty kitty]

@SargeMaximus,

Yes, beans have enough fiber.  

[SargeMaximus]

4 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

@SargeMaximus,

Yes, beans have enough fiber.  

Yeah so I eat beans everyday 

[knitty kitty]

@SargeMaximus,

Maybe switching it up with greens would be beneficial.  Or eat beans and greens at the same meal.  You'll get different vitamins and different kinds of fiber.

Metal pillcases that can attach to a keyring are available online.  

[SargeMaximus]

42 minutes ago, knitty kitty said:

@SargeMaximus,

Maybe switching it up with greens would be beneficial.  Or eat beans and greens at the same meal.  You'll get different vitamins and different kinds of fiber.

Metal pillcases that can attach to a keyring are available online.  

Yeah I’ll get some kale this weekend. Are almonds good? Thinking of getting those too. And yeah I’ll just put the pills in my baggie that I put my utensils in for lunch. I just forget

[knitty kitty]

@SargeMaximus,

I prefer cashew butter, and walnuts, and pecans...

I find almonds hard on my tummy.  

 

[SargeMaximus]

17 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

@SargeMaximus,

I prefer cashew butter, and walnuts, and pecans...

I find almonds hard on my tummy.  

 

Yeah cashews and walnuts give me rosacea.

 

update: still had bowel issueS today. Beginning to think my air fryer doesn’t cook mY meat. It’s always crispy and hot but the digestive issues and nausea make me think they aren’t fully cooked despite over 40 mins for a chicken breast from frozen. And like I said it’s crispy and hot. I also stop half way through to cut it up a bit to expose the middle and flip it over. No idea. I’m having worse digestive issues than I ever had with gluten now that I’m gluten free

[knitty kitty]

@SargeMaximus,

If you're still having digestive problems, you may want to reconsider the AIP diet.  The beans and nuts are high in lectins that can be hard on the digestive system.  

There are some proteins in some foods that resemble gluten proteins.  Casein in dairy, avenging in oats, rice protein, yeast and chicken meat.  

Are you keeping a food/mood/poo'd journal?  Writing what you eat makes it easier to track down a troublesome food.  

I would recommend not adding any new foods until you figure out what's bothering you now.  If you can get that sorted, then try a new food.  

Your boss took you to Denny's yesterday.  It might be possible that you got glutened from the gluteny kitchen there.  

[SargeMaximus]

6 hours ago, knitty kitty said:

@SargeMaximus,

If you're still having digestive problems, you may want to reconsider the AIP diet.  The beans and nuts are high in lectins that can be hard on the digestive system.  

There are some proteins in some foods that resemble gluten proteins.  Casein in dairy, avenging in oats, rice protein, yeast and chicken meat.  

Are you keeping a food/mood/poo'd journal?  Writing what you eat makes it easier to track down a troublesome food.  

I would recommend not adding any new foods until you figure out what's bothering you now.  If you can get that sorted, then try a new food.  

Your boss took you to Denny's yesterday.  It might be possible that you got glutened from the gluteny kitchen there.  

Yes I keep track of all my food. Digestive issues started after I quit eating bread 

[knitty kitty]

@SargeMaximus,

You have admitted to eating hamburgers and eating out in restaurants.  When one stops eating gluten, then eats gluten again, the body's reaction can be a more intense autoimmune reaction than previously.  Every time one eats gluten, the antibodies attack, and symptoms flare.  

I understand about craving carbs.  With SIBO, the bacteria in the gut sends messages to the brain to eat more carbs because that's what they like, and symptoms can continue.  Lectins from beans, rice and other grains can be hard to digest, but bacteria in the gut ferment them, causing more symptoms, gas, bloating, etc.  The AIP diet starves out the SIBO bacteria and gives the digestive tract time to heal.

You can't ride two bicycles at the same time.  

Do try to stay gluten free.  Do be aware of the risks of eating in restaurants.  

Eat more starchy vegetables, beets, carrots, turnip, parsnip, squash, and starchy fruit like bananas.   

Keep us posted on your progress! 

[SargeMaximus]

1 hour ago, knitty kitty said:

@SargeMaximus,

You have admitted to eating hamburgers and eating out in restaurants.  

Yea and I never had digestive issues. The digestive issues happened AFTER I went gluten free. And the Denny’s I had was all gluten free from their gluten free options.

 

as for carbs, it’s not a craving. I rationalized that I need carbs because I can’t put on weight. Keep in mind I was entirely gluten free for years before the last 2