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Confusing symptoms


Sabrine
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I’ve only just had a diagnosis of coeliac from a blood test and I am awaiting a referral for a biopsy presumably to ascertain the level of damage to my intestine. I don’t seem to have the usual symptoms which I have read about on this site. I’ve never had diarrhoea, but I’ve had constipation on and off for the last three years. Unfortunately, as I’ve had MS for 25 years and a faulty hip replacement, I take a low level painkillers and osteoporosis medication both of which can cause constipation so it never occurred to me I had coeliac. Especially as I don’t seem to have any of the other symptoms that people describe here although I do have dry eyes and I was amazed to read that that can be a symptom of coeliac. I’m seeing a doctor on Monday and I will ask for a copy of my blood test results.  Could somebody tell me what questions I should ask the doctor about my blood test results and what I should look for in the biopsy result as a lot of it is very confusing. Apparently my blood test was 8.9.  Is that an antibody score?  I know they call it a weak positive but only just. Hoping that that score is reasonably good news or is it meaningless without the biopsy?

 

 


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Scott Adams Grand Master

Can you also provide the reference range that should be with your test result?

We've done some research summaries on MS and celiac disease that you may find interesting:
https://www.celiac.com/celiac-disease/celiac-disease-amp-related-diseases-and-disorders/multiple-sclerosis-and-celiac-disease/

This article might be helpful. It breaks down each type of test, and what a positive results means in terms of the probability that you might have celiac disease. One test that always needs to be done is the IgA Levels/Deficiency Test (often called "Total IGA") because some people are naturally IGA deficient, and if this is the case, then certain blood tests for celiac disease might be false-negative, and other types of tests need to be done to make an accurate diagnosis. The article includes the "Mayo Clinic Protocol," which is the best overall protocol for results to be ~98% accurate.

 

 

Sabrine Rookie

Our wonderful NHS has become rather slow of late so I am still waiting to find out more about my test results. I have recently had more blood tests taken which seem to be for vitamin deficiencies and I have my endoscopy next Wednesday. I will definitely ask what scale is used and then I will post my results. I am very grateful for the advice I have been given on this site. 

Scott Adams Grand Master

I hope you have been eating gluten daily, lots of it, for your endoscopy. Some people mistakenly go gluten-free before all testing for celiac disease is completed, and doing that can cause false-negative results.

Sabrine Rookie

I have been making sure my gluten intake is as high as possible eating loads of bread and pasta. The strange thing is, it’s not making me feel ill at all.  It never has. And yet I definitely tested positive positive for coeliac on my antibody test. Very strange.

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Scott Adams Grand Master

Many people with celiac disease are asymptomatic, but unfortunately if they keep eating gluten they still run the same health risks as those who have symptoms.

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    • trents
      Welcome to the forum, @ABP! We can't comment on the test numbers you give as you didn't include the range for negative. Different labs use different units and different ranges. There are no industry standards for this so we need more information. If your daughter doesn't have celiac disease she still could have NCGS (Non Celiac Gluten Sensitivity) which some experts believe can be a precursor to celiac disease and is 10x more common than celiac disease. However, there is no test for it yet but it does share many of the same symptoms with celiac disease. Both require complete abstinence from gluten.  It is seldom the case during testing where all tests are positive, even for those who do have celiac disease. This is no different than when diagnosing other medical conditions and that is why is typical to run numbers of tests that come at things from different angles when seeking to arrive at a diagnosis. It seems like you are at the point, since you have had both blood antibody testing and endoscopy/biopsy done, that you need to trial the gluten free diet. If her symptoms improve then you know all you need to know, whatever you label you want to give it. But given that apparently at least one celiac antibody blood test is positive and she has classic classic celiac symptoms such as slow growth, constipation and bloating, my money would be on celiac disease as opposed to NCGS.
    • ABP
      My nine-year-old daughter has suffered with severe constipation and bloating for years as well as frequent mouth sores, and keratosis Polaris on her arms. She also has recently decreased on her growth curve her % going down gradually.  After seeing a gastroenterologist, her IgG GLIADIN (DEAMIDATED) AB (IGG) was 22.4 while her IGA was normal. Her TISSUE TRANSGLUTAMINASE AB, IGA was 11.9.  Most recently her genetic test for celiac was positive.  After an endoscopy her tissue showed inflammation of the tissue as well as , increased intraepithelial lymphocytes (IELs) but there was no blunting of the change in the villi.    It seems that every result that we get one out of two things positive rather than all leading to an inconclusive diagnosis. While we do have another appointment with the doctor to go over the results. I'm curious based on this information what others think.    I would hate to have her eliminate gluten if not necessary- but also don't want to not remove if it is necessary.    Signed Confused and Concerned Mama
    • Scott Adams
      I guess using "GF" instead of "PL" would have been too easy! 😉
    • trents
      I was wrong, however, about there being no particular health concerns associated with high total IGA: https://www.inspire.com/resources/chronic-disease/understanding-high-iga-levels-causes-impacts/ So maybe the physician's "borderline" remark is relevant to that.
    • trents
      Sometimes that is the case but what is curious to me is the remark by your physician about being "borderline". I assume he was referring to the total IGA score but it just seems like an irrelevant remark when it is on the high side rather than being deficient.
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