Omg...i Might Be On To Something

[confused]

I don't blame you for going crazy Paula. I have a hard time dealing with no water for a few hours when it is shut down, I couldn't imagine for days and days. It's in those times we realize how much we take for granted water.

I guess that makes sense about the chlorine being present in small doses, hence the need for a bath ball.

Speaking of, I found one at my local health food store, it sounds kind of like what you have Rachel. You hang it on the faucet and let the water run through it as you fill the bath.

The box says: Splish Splash Natural Bath, dechlorinating filter, by Enviro Products.

Today i was feeling sorry for myself and then i thought, is it best to be without water or electricity. I decided water is much better to be without lol.

I will have to look for one of those julie, when we can bathe again lol

paula

[Green12]

Today i was feeling sorry for myself and then i thought, is it best to be without water or electricity. I decided water is much better to be without lol.

I will have to look for one of those julie, when we can bathe again lol

paula

I found the bath ball at Vitamin Cottage, do you have one down there? You will definitely need one to filter out the extra chlorine.

I hope you don't have to go without water for too long.

[Rachel--24]

Rachel, do you have a link for the Feingold diet list of foods? I've been searching but I can only find explanations of the diet and info about Dr. Feingold.

Julie,

Are you looking for a complete list of foods to avoid and foods to eat? I dont think I've ever seen a whole list of foods for this diet.

You would want to avoid salicylates....theres lots of sites that have lists for salicylate content in foods. Basically ALL foods contain phenols but not everyone has the same tolerance. For example some might tolerate foods with moderate amounts of salicylates while others might not.

Some people are sensitive to amines as well as salicylates.

Since reactions occur when the load is too high each person will have a different threshold.

Salicylates inhibit the PST enzymes up to 50%. Some hormones and neurotransmitters go through this same pathway....so if its not functioning as it should even these things can start to cause problems/reactions.

You would want to try to not overload those enzymes so that they can handle some of these other things a little easier. The more you have in your body inhibiting these enzymes the less you are able to detox. Obviously, not everyone would have a problem with this pathway but those who are sensitive to the phenols probably have a PST deficiency (to some degree).

Salicylates are also found in a ton of non-food items...everything from supplements to medications to cosmetics, toothpaste, perfumes, etc. The salicylates can be synthetic or natural. Any product made from a food that contains salicylates is supposed to be avoided.

I think the lists are more of a guide but everyone kind of has to modify it according to their own tolerance.

Some foods high in phenols dont get mentioned as far as the Feingold diet goes...because its mainly focusing on salicylates. Chocolate and bananas would be allowed but if a person has reactions to amines these would be a problem.

I had to kind of study each class of phenols to learn it all. Unfortunately, its not all listed in one place.

I can post some links to these sites if thats what you're looking for?

Here are the things to avoid on the Feingold diet.

1. Synthetic colours (or food dyes): they are usually listed under

[Green12]

Julie,

Are you looking for a complete list of foods to avoid and foods to eat? I dont think I've ever seen a whole list of foods for this diet.

I think so, yes.

I read somewhere the Feingold diet has phases, so I assumed there were lists to follow for the each phases. Maybe that is what you have to buy?

Thanks for this info Rachel, it's a good place to start. I think it is easy to fingd the salicylate sites with those lists.

[Clark Bent as Stupor-Man]

Just stopping through briefly, hope everyone is doing well.

I had a whole blood test done by Doctor's Data labs about a month or 2 ago. I just wanted to get some general bloodwork done for mineral levels and whatnot but the test my LLMD ordered also included a number of metals. Well, when I got my test results back, much to my surprise, barium of all things was way out of the reference range (normal is <10, I'm at 100).

I've been researching barium recently, trying to find relevant reference range information, etc. and it certainly seems that the barium level was way too high and similar, if not higher actually, than levels seen in cases of known exposure and poisoning. Apparently, high barium levels in the blood are indicative of acute exposure since barium rapidly is detoxed from the body so my very elevated results indicate either a one-time exposure that week or an ongoing, daily exposure.

Since my diet is so constant (and was prior to the test) as were any places/buildings I was around, I'm inclined to think it's the latter and an ongoing exposure. I'm going to request another blood test tomorrow when I go to my LLMD to see if I again have similar results, in which case my suspicions would be confirmed. If that is indeed the case, I have no concrete idea whatsoever as to where I would be getting exposed although drinking water seems to be the most common culprit from what I've read. I pretty much only drink one brand of bottled water and water from the filtration system at work although I do cook and brush my teeth with the water in my apt (doubt that's the source but who knows).

Anyway, anyone have any input like this, ever have any similar results or know someone who did? I searched on a couple message boards and the internet and came up with very little. One interesting study I did come across was related to kids with autism (what else is new) having elevated barium and zinc levels and low lithium levels (at least their mothers, I think the kids too). Interestingly enough, my lithium level was the only other level out of the reference range, albeit slightly, and indeed on the low end, and my zinc level was my most elevated mineral level by quite a substantial margin.

Just wanted to check if anyone had come across anything along these lines with barium in particular, either from a blood test, hair test, or whatever.

[Rachel--24]

Hi Charlie

Unfortunately, I dont know anything about elevated barium?? I've never had that show up for me. I'm sure there must be some significance....dont give up...keep looking and you might come across something that will make sense to you.

[Rachel--24]

I feel like I've come full circle.

I'm going back to the early days of this thread and checking into all of those phenols we talked about back then. I went back to the sulfites because thats one preservative I definately cant handle. I also cant handle the foods rich in sulfur.

I know I have problems with sulfur metabolism and the sulfation pathway....we just havent figured out why yet....the mercury is almost certainly involved though.

I went back to all my links on sulfite sensitivity and read through them all cuz I was looking for something about the dental anaesthesia. I couldnt find it in this monster thread...imagine that!

I know there must be some connection here because I do feel throbbing in my gums during some reactions and I'm thinking those might be directly related to sulfites. The pain is in the area where the amalgams were removed and where there is significant bone growth.

I found out that Taurine is not tolerated by those who are sensitive to sulfites. Thats the supplement that was just tested and did not fare well for me. I didnt think I would tolerate it due to the sulfur issues so I never attempted to try it.

MSM would be another one to avoid...knowing my problems with sulfur I've never tried this one either.

I think I posted this a long time ago but now it seems to make more sense to me.

It would explain problems with converting sufur to sulfate which would then impair the PST enzymes. Sulfates are needed for the PST enzymes to function.

Some people have an impaired ability to oxidize and detoxify sulfur compounds. This is well known by the inability to safely process "sulfa-drugs". A buildup in the body of excess sulfur compounds can be uncomfortable and even life threatening.

Two forms of this impairment have been observed. One results in an inability to regulate the amino acid cysteine, and is indicated by an increase of cysteine levels in blood plasma, and other tissues samples along with discomfort in eating foods rich in sulfur amino acids.

The second impairment produces an inefficiency in converting sulfur dioxide and sulfides into non-toxic sulfate.

Anecdotes have been reported to us that impaired sulfur oxidation may occur commonly in people with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and "amalgam illness". ("Amalgam illness" is a term for chronic health problems stemming from lifetime exposure to mercury and other metals found in dental restorations.)

Paradoxically, and quite frustratingly, persons chronically ill can also have impaired glutathione synthesis and depletion of body stores of glutathione. Lack of adequate glutathione is implicated in poor immune function, poor synthesis and uptake of thyroid hormones, an increased rate of aging, and even poor hair growth.

When a person is a poor sulfur oxidizer they often find ordinary foods bearing sulfur compounds to be a source of discomfort. Broccoli and garlic being but two examples of foods which can contribute to uncomfortable excess cystiene levels in such people.

Excess free cysteine is a toxic condition and has been implicated in several degenerative diseases including Rheumatoid Arthritis, Alzheimer's Disease, Parkinson's Disease, Peripheral Neuron Degeneration, and others. (See our Science Page for journal references on impaired sulfur oxidation, glutathione, and other nutrition related topics.)

Poor sulfur oxidation would seem to be an inherited trait that might be made worse by environmental factors such as exposure to mercury and other heavy metals.

The other thing I found was the stuff about anaesthisia. I recall reading that someones problems with sulfites and sulfur metabolism was triggered by anaestheisa containing sulfites. I couldnt find that same story but I was able to confirm that some anaesthetics do contain sulfites and can be harmful to a person with a sensitivity.

I did not have any obvious sensitivity to sulfites prior to my illness but I know there was a problem with the anaesthsia and I know that I was injected with it repeatedly. I remember that my face was more numb then it had ever been from any kind of dental work and the effects of the anaesthsthetic took much longer to wear off. It wasnt just the area around my mouth that was numb but a large portion of my face.

It was uncomfortable and I think this was why I didnt want to be subjected to it again....but I was... because the dentist refused to do any work on me w/out the anaesthetic.

This is what I found...

Sulfites are also used in some medications

[nora-n]

Propofol is only done i.v. as far as I know. It is the kind you wake up from quite quickly I think. I have seen it used on patients. In normal dentistrywith local anesthesia they use other stuff. I do not know what they use, it is some kind of lidocaine I think.

nora

[elisabet]

I feel like I've come full circle.

I'm going back to the early days of this thread and checking into all of those phenols we talked about back then. I went back to the sulfites because thats one preservative I definately cant handle. I also cant handle the foods rich in sulfur.

I know I have problems with sulfur metabolism and the sulfation pathway....we just havent figured out why yet....the mercury is almost certainly involved though.

I went back to all my links on sulfite sensitivity and read through them all cuz I was looking for something about the dental anaesthesia. I couldnt find it in this monster thread...imagine that!

I know there must be some connection here because I do feel throbbing in my gums during some reactions and I'm thinking those might be directly related to sulfites. The pain is in the area where the amalgams were removed and where there is significant bone growth.

I found out that Taurine is not tolerated by those who are sensitive to sulfites. Thats the supplement that was just tested and did not fare well for me. I didnt think I would tolerate it due to the sulfur issues so I never attempted to try it.

MSM would be another one to avoid...knowing my problems with sulfur I've never tried this one either.

I think I posted this a long time ago but now it seems to make more sense to me.

It would explain problems with converting sufur to sulfate which would then impair the PST enzymes. Sulfates are needed for the PST enzymes to function.

The other thing I found was the stuff about anaesthisia. I recall reading that someones problems with sulfites and sulfur metabolism was triggered by anaestheisa containing sulfites. I couldnt find that same story but I was able to confirm that some anaesthetics do contain sulfites and can be harmful to a person with a sensitivity.

I did not have any obvious sensitivity to sulfites prior to my illness but I know there was a problem with the anaesthsia and I know that I was injected with it repeatedly. I remember that my face was more numb then it had ever been from any kind of dental work and the effects of the anaesthsthetic took much longer to wear off. It wasnt just the area around my mouth that was numb but a large portion of my face.

It was uncomfortable and I think this was why I didnt want to be subjected to it again....but I was... because the dentist refused to do any work on me w/out the anaesthetic.

This is what I found...

So I think I really need to find out if this created a problem for me...given the fact that it was used at the time that I was being exposed to high amounts of mercury vapor. I was injected (at least a few times) and then the fillings were drilled out.

This could be why mercury is locked up in that area. Sulfur has a strong bond with mercury. It could be that the pathway was overwhelmed due to poor sulfur oxidation (either genetic or brought on by mercury exposure from the amalgams) and the sulfur from the anesthetic remained in the tissue...along with the mercury.

That would explain why my head is such a strong toxic foci area and why the DMPS was unable to remove mercury from this area. It would also explain the problems with the sulfation pathway.

I called the dentist office and I'm waiting for a call back with the info. I requested. I dont think I'm one of their most favorite patients though.

I told her I havent been a patient for 5 years and she replied that in that case my file would most likely be in storage. I gave her my name and she said "Oh...I'm pretty sure we still have your file out."

Yeah...thats probably because I called and strongly voiced my opinions on a couple different occasions. I'm the psycho ex-patient who rants about mercury toxicity.

Dear Rachel,

I recall that you said beef is your safe food,and beef is high in sulfur ,how do you explain that?

Elisabet

[Rachel--24]

Dear Rachel,

I recall that you said beef is your safe food,and beef is high in sulfur ,how do you explain that?

Elisabet

Elisabet,

I havent figured that one out yet. I actually do not tolerate beef except for grass-fed.

Recently, the Whole Foods in my area had some shortage on grass fed beef. They didnt have any available for a couple weeks and I had no choice but to buy the regular stuff. I was sick the whole two weeks with major headaches and other symptoms.

Once they got the grass fed beef back in I no longer had any problems.

I havent pinpointed the exact reason why I dont tolerate the other stuff but it may be higher in phenols...not really sure. I had also thought of possible mycotoxin contamination from the grainfed meats.

The sulfur rich foods I have most problems with would be garlic, onions, broccoli...all the cruciferous veggies which I believe have the highest amounts of sulfur.

For example, because its so rich in sulfur garlic can be used to assist in mercury detoxification but beef does not have that same ability. Meat is beneficial in detoxification but as far as I know it wont mobilize mercury the way that garlic can.

When there are problems metabolising these things reactions seem to only occur when the person's threshold is reached. I guess as long as I eat grass fed beef I dont cross that threshold.

However, if I DO reach my threshold (by consuming other foods) the beef and peas I eat DO end up causing reactions....but its only because I've already exceeded my limit. On their own....without adding in other foods...they dont cause me to exceed my limit.

[tabasco32]

Hey everyone,

I got my rebounder from urban rebounder yesterday.

I'm going to a concert tonight at church with my mom and brother.

I haven't been to a concert since june of 2006. I hope all goes well.

[Rachel--24]

Hey everyone,

I got my rebounder from urban rebounder yesterday.

I'm going to a concert tonight at church with my mom and brother.

I haven't been to a concert since june of 2006. I hope all goes well.

YAY!!

I hope you enjoy the rebounder.

Have fun at the concert. Its good to see that you're able to go out and have some fun. Woo-hoo!!

[Rachel--24]

Scott sent me some good links with some info. about phenols I had not come across before in any of my searches. It was an interesting read.

Heres one of the links...

Open Original Shared Link

This site really opened my eyes as to how many different types of phenols there are. Virtually ALL foods contain one or more types of phenols. Theres a tool here which allows you to see all of the phenols and which foods they relate to.

Open Original Shared Link

Heres some interesting info. from the first link.

Combinations of phenolics trigger allergic responses. Salsolinol is a product of natural fermentation in some plants and alcoholic beverages. It is a metabolic catecholamine in many animals and is considered to be a logical derivative of dopamine.

When the body does not metabolize salsolinol the result can be obsessive-compulsive behavior according to Joyce Baker, ND, BSN. She says people with this behavior are "like a housewife who has to clean every speck of dust off the floor or they can't rest. Children's rooms have to be absolutely immaculate." This type of person overdoes everything from business to pleasure and often experiences depression and anxiety.

Many people with a reaction to salsolinol crave sweets, carbohydrates and alcohol. They often find themselves driving to the store specifically to get that candy bar or bottle of beer. This imbalance also effects short-term memory. Such patients constantly forget why they went into a room and they make lists or write things down immediately or they're forgotten.

Intolerance to salsolinol, according to Baker, often indicates imbalances in the functions of the thymus, pancreas, and kidneys. These organs must be supported in conjunction with salsolinol therapy to help speed the healing process in addictive chocolate cravings, alcohol cravings, and in calming obsessive behaviors.

Cow's milk is ranked as one of the most allergenic foods in the entire human diet. Substantial proportions of the forage in a cow's diet are phenolics. When coupled with fermentation products from the rumen, a large amount of phenolic materials must be excreted by the cow. Milk is one excretory route. Milk then contains a large array of very reactive phenolic compounds.

"When we developed the concept of phenolic therapy, we were amazed at how many ways there were for people to respond to the chemicals we used," says Dr. Gardner. "They could make you happy or sad, fight a virus or grow hair faster. Phenolics are (an essential part of) what we are. They give us the ability to keep ourselves in balance with our surroundings.

No change in the body is possible without a phenolic being involved." When we are out of balance with our surroundings and our health, a phenolic in therapy might well be indicated.

It was interesting about the milk because I'd read many times that milk is highly phenolic but I never had a good understanding as to why that is. This is the first time I've seen an explanation for that.

When I'm tested all phenols show up as being problematic for me. The above site has several homeopathics to address this problem. Its definately something I'm wanting to try and I know that homeopathics do work for people but I dont know of anyone taking them for this specific problem. Hopefully we can get testers for these products and then see which ones would help me. It would be interesting to see how I would test with them.

I'll have to wait and see on this because I cant order the products myself....they're only sold to practitioners.

[Green12]

Hi Charlie, glad you popped in.

I haven't had barium come up for me either, so I don't really know what it could be.

I did a quick search, and you are right not much comes up. I found stuff about elevated blood pressure in connection with elevated barium and also elevated barium levels in public drinking water sources but that's about it.

Can you consult with your Dr about it? Or what about the company who ran the test, they might be able to interpret the barium result for you.

Lisa, that's great you got a rebounder. I just started using mine the last couple of days, I keep forgetting about it so hopefully I can stick with it.

Rachel, thanks for the info about the phenols and the links.

I am familiar with that company, Deseret Biologicals, and have used their products in the past though not the phenolics.

That's interesting about the anesthesia and the mercury.

[AndreaB]

This site really opened my eyes as to how many different types of phenols there are. Virtually ALL foods contain one or more types of phenols. Theres a tool here which allows you to see all of the phenols and which foods they relate to.

The salsolinol is something both Mitch and I had come up on our ASYRA. We both love our chocolate, whether due to that or the addictive nature of chocolate......or a little of both. I just had a candy bar on the way home from shopping.

So far, we haven't noticed anything negative about the cheese we've been on. We try to stick with raw but will buy organic if we can't find anything else. I'm holding off on putting the children back on milk until we can get raw and organic tested this fall and see how they do with them.

Am I correct in my assumption that dairy is ok if you aren't chronically ill?

Carla,

I forgot to remind you. I remembered Monday and forgot Tuesday. I'm sorry.

[Rachel--24]

Am I correct in my assumption that dairy is ok if you aren't chronically ill?

I think this would depend on who you talk to.

Personally, I think its really bad for people who are sick and probably not great for healthy people either.

I think its just too polluted....like so many other things...including water.

If I was healthy I would definately eat dairy products again...however, I would make smarter decisions as far as what products I'd buy. I'd probably try to stick to organic and avoid as many chemicals/hormones as possible. I might choose the raw stuff instead because the brands I've seen are from grassfed cows.

[Green12]

I would have to agree about dairy, raw is best if you have to eat it. Also in small amounts, like a condiment.

Rachel, your inbox is still full.

[Rachel--24]

I am familiar with that company, Deseret Biologicals, and have used their products in the past though not the phenolics.

That's interesting about the anesthesia and the mercury.

I have only one of their products but I never use it and its totally unrelated to this phenolic issue.

Its interesting because I do think something must have locked the mercury up in the head area. Its always been the most toxic area for me in the ART sessions as well as when I had my LED treatments last summer.

I dont think you were posting during that time but after my LED's for sulfa and for mercury this area remained toxic. That Dr. used kinesiology (not ART) to test for toxic areas and his testing showed that mercury, sulfa and other toxins were still very much present in my head/jaw area.

He had said the same thing that Amy said...which was that they were "locked up". He tried to "jar" it by lasering that area for an extended amount of time as well as doing some acupuncture but it obviously didnt work. Thats why he wanted to look into the antibiotics that my dentist prescribed.

He was saying that something that I might have reacted to during that time could have kept the mercury locked up. If I didnt detox the abx they could still be there, along with the mercury and that whole area would remain toxic.

I think between the two possibilities the anesthetic seems more likely...but I'm sure if any of these things are involved we can get it figured out once we test those things.

[Rachel--24]

Rachel, your inbox is still full.

Thanks for reminding me. I fixed it.

[Green12]

I have only one of their products but I never use it and its totally unrelated to this phenolic issue.

Its interesting because I do think something must have locked the mercury up in the head area. Its always been the most toxic area for me in the ART sessions as well as when I had my LED treatments last summer.

I dont think you were posting during that time but after my LED's for sulfa and for mercury this area remained toxic. That Dr. used kinesiology (not ART) to test for toxic areas and his testing showed that mercury, sulfa and other toxins were still very much present in my head/jaw area.

He had said the same thing that Amy said...which was that they were "locked up". He tried to "jar" it by lasering that area for an extended amount of time as well as doing some acupuncture but it obviously didnt work. Thats why he wanted to look into the antibiotics that my dentist prescribed.

He was saying that something that I might have reacted to during that time could have kept the mercury locked up. If I didnt detox the abx they could still be there, along with the mercury and that whole area would remain toxic.

I think between the two possibilities the anesthetic seems more likely...but I'm sure if any of these things are involved we can get it figured out once we test those things.

All of this is very fascinating.

Any dental work with anesthesia would bind with the mercury and draw it deeper into the tissue, right? That is if your pathways were stressed and unable to detox that all out? And/or if one is over sensitive to sulfites?

I know my head area is a toxic focus, I think Donna's is too.

Kassandra, I am getting the LEAP stuff sent to me this week, probably won't get it til the first of next week, but when I learn more about it I can let you know if you are still interested in knowing about it.

[Rachel--24]

Propofol is only done i.v. as far as I know. It is the kind you wake up from quite quickly I think. I have seen it used on patients. In normal dentistrywith local anesthesia they use other stuff. I do not know what they use, it is some kind of lidocaine I think.

nora

Thanks Nora,

I'm still waiting for the dentist people to call me back.

Does anyone know if the dentist would have that info. on file? They did have the info. about which antibiotics were prescribed but would they also keep info. about anesthetics used?

About the antibiotics. What the heck??

Why would a dentist prescribe them in the first place??

Amy asked me why....all I could say was that I have no clue and at the time I didnt know half of what I know now...so I just did what they told me to do.

[Green12]

Thanks Nora,

I'm still waiting for the dentist people to call me back.

Does anyone know if the dentist would have that info. on file? They did have the info. about which antibiotics were prescribed but would they also keep info. about anesthetics used?

About the antibiotics. What the heck??

Why would a dentist prescribe them in the first place??

Amy asked me why....all I could say was that I have no clue and at the time I didnt know half of what I know now...so I just did what they told me to do.

I would think they could at least narrow the anesthesias (anesthetics?) that they use in their office down to a few.

I think the most common ones used are lidocaine and those ending with a "caine".

Also:

The solution your dentist injects contains more than just an anesthetic. It may also include:

A vasoconstrictor, such as epinephrine, which narrows your blood vessels and helps the anesthetic's effect last longer

An antioxidant (which contains sulfites or methylparabens) to prevent breakdown of the vasoconstrictor

Sodium hydroxide, which chemically adjusts the acidity (pH) of the anesthetic solution to help it work properly

Sodium chloride, which helps the solution enter the bloodstream

This is the link:

Open Original Shared Link

The antibiotics- what kind of dental work was it? I assume they suspected an infection in the area?

[Rachel--24]

All of this is very fascinating.

Any dental work with anesthesia would bind with the mercury and draw it deeper into the tissue, right? That is if your pathways were stressed and unable to detox that all out? And/or if one is over sensitive to sulfites?

I think for something like this to occur there would have to be some genetic predisposition or some circumstances already going on and this might just tip the scales.

I'm thinking that we just arent made to be dealing with the kind of toxic insults we're dealing with nowadays. I'm sure there has always been a large portion of the population with some weak enzyme systems or some other weakness....but its getting more and more common for those people to reach a point where their body gets pushed too far.

I always think of Autism...its clearly an epidemic which some blame on genetics...yet there is no such thing as a genetic epidemic. It seems obvious that toxins and other environmental triggers play the biggest role.

When I asked Amy if the anesthetic could have caused all of this she said that it could have if there was some predispostion for that. If the pathways were weak...then yes...my body *could* have been struggling with phenols for a long time before I ever got sick. It could have been that whatever occured during the dental work put too much of a burden on my pathway.

Since the mercury is locked up we have to look at what else might have caused that. Its not normal that my bone grew out as much as it did after that procedure. None of what happened to me seemed normal and I'm glad that Amy pointed that out because every dentist I saw labeled it with some fancy name (which I cant remember) and told me it was perfectly normal and meant nothing.

I think not.

I dont think that when changes are occuring in the body that quickly it means nothing. It always means *something*....stuff like that just doesnt happen for no good reason.

The only explanation I got from the dentists was that it could happen from grinding my teeth. Well...if I was suddenly grinding my teeth to the extent that it was causing severe stress and bone growth...there would have to be a reason for it! DUH!

I was grinding my teeth and it was because my body was under some serious stress from everything that was going on.

[Rachel--24]

The antibiotics- what kind of dental work was it? I assume they suspected an infection in the area?

Thanks for the link Julie.

It was after he drilled out my amalgams. There was no infection...apparantly the antibiotics were to prevent infection. Is that normal??

I think this dentist was just a complete idiot and did EVERYTHING wrong.

Lets see, he injected me repeatedly with the anesthetic....then he proceeded to drill out the fillings with no protection whatsoever (not even a rubber damn)...then he sent me home with antibiotics. ...then he placed gold crowns in direct contact with my remaining amalgams (galvanic reaction between dissimilar metals)...and then he sent me home with more antibiotics.

[Green12]

Thanks for the link Julie.

It was after he drilled out my amalgams. There was no infection...apparantly the antibiotics were to prevent infection. Is that normal??

I think this dentist was just a complete idiot and did EVERYTHING wrong.

Lets see, he injected me repeatedly with the anesthetic....then he proceeded to drill out the fillings with no protection whatsoever (not even a rubber damn)...then he sent me home with antibiotics. ...then he placed gold crowns in direct contact with my remaining amalgams (galvanic reaction between dissimilar metals)...and then he sent me home with more antibiotics.

Well I don't know what is normal, but I can say that for myself, my mom, AND my brother we were not given antibiotics when getting our amalgams out (and we all went to different dentists, so three different dentists and no antibiotics). That does seem strange, I kind of remember you talking about this before in the thread, way back when....

The anesthesia, I can understand why he may have kept injecting you. Do you remember if you were responding to it or not? My mom and I both (and many others in my family) have issues with anesthesia, we don't respond to it and have always had to be given much larger doses than normal in order for it to take during dental work. So I don't know if that is also the case for you.