Omg...i Might Be On To Something

[Rachel--24]

Glad your doing well Rachel. I read here just don't post often

Thanks Judy. Its always nice to "see" you when you do pop in.

[Rachel--24]

I should mention, G. does not like that people are using other lights and feels it is unsafe because they are not the frequencies that have been studied to work for borrelia. However, from what I've read, I respectfully disagree. I think the infrared light is energizing for the cell and isn't like the LED treatments that Dr. C uses for detox.

Yeah....I kind of gathered that from her frusterations with Sparkle.

I really wasnt following the posts about LightWorks though.....only the stuff about Bionic 880. So I'm still kind of lost about what this is actually doing. I know that people are feeling some effects...but does anyone know what its doing?

Ok....maybe I should just read more. I'm feeling like Paula...its easier to just ask.

Thanks for the links.

I've pretty much decided to go. G. is talking to Dr. W for me to see how soon I have to get off the meds. I'm talking to others on LN who are going so we can go over together. There will be either three or four of us.

Cool....this will be exciting!

G. is really very sweet...she might sometimes come across as harsh in her posts (maybe its a German thing? )....but she is actually just really trying to help people. Talking to her its easy to see how genuine she is.

[Rachel--24]

I have been taking B12 and B6 orally, which makes me feel better mentally, but I have had bad headaches with them...

Im wondering if the B12 injections would have less side effects?

Any thoughts?

I think this is personal....its hard to say how you'll feel with injections. It may or may not make a difference.

I didnt notice side effects from my B12 shots. They were compounded though....nothing but the Methyl B12.

I do get side effects from lots of oral supplements. I do better with certain brands and less fillers/binders.

[CarlaB]

Well, in a nutshell, the infrared light energizes the mitochondria of the cell. It's like charging your cell phone .... once the cell has enough energy it doesn't take anymore.

So, the mitochondria absorb the energy from the light and the cell functions at a higher level.

It is not a laser, so the light is not "organized" so it goes to where it is needed.

This is not going after a particular thing .... the Bionic 880 is used for lots of things, including weight loss and to stop smoking.

Maybe your friend should go to Germany instead of having gastric bypass.

[Rachel--24]

Well, in a nutshell, the infrared light energizes the mitochondria of the cell. It's like charging your cell phone .... once the cell has enough energy it doesn't take anymore.

So, the mitochondria absorb the energy from the light and the cell functions at a higher level.

It is not a laser, so the light is not "organized" so it goes to where it is needed.

This is not going after a particular thing .... the Bionic 880 is used for lots of things, including weight loss and to stop smoking.

I'm just gonna have to look into it more I guess. I'm not trying to go after Borrelia with this...heck, I'm not even sure *what* exactly I'd be doing with it.

I know where my toxic foci areas are.....I dont know if energizing the cells in those areas would help with it.....but I guess theres no way to know this for sure without trying it.

Maybe your friend should go to Germany instead of having gastric bypass.

What makes gastric bypass even more tempting (for her) is that its paid for. Its an expensive procedure which she doesnt have to pay anything for. On the other hand...if she gave up her health it would certainly be a big price to pay!

But yeah....Dr. W. is not free.

[CarlaB]

Wow, I thought gastric bypass was self-pay ... didn't know insurance covered it.

Rachel, this site is selling lasers, but it has a good summary of how they work. Open Original Shared Link

And Open Original Shared Link

[jerseyangel]

Carla--If the Gastric bypass is considered a medical necessity, it's covered by insurance like any other surgery

[Rachel--24]

Carla--If the Gastric bypass is considered a medical necessity, it's covered by insurance like any other surgery

She hasnt actually seen the Dr. yet....but I assume alot of them ok it even if there are no health problems going on. Alot of people do it because they just want to be thin....why is that a medical necessity?? To me it seems like that would be considered "cosmetic" rather than medical. Like Liposuction....its totally cosmetic.

[Green12]

She hasnt actually seen the Dr. yet....but I assume alot of them ok it even if there are no health problems going on. Alot of people do it because they just want to be thin....why is that a medical necessity?? To me it seems like that would be considered "cosmetic" rather than medical. Like Liposuction....its totally cosmetic.

Rachel, I am getting in on the tail end of this discussion, so I don't know if I am missing some detais but I thought there was quite a lengthy process (i.e. involving Drs and insurance comapnies) as to whether somebody is a candidate or not for the GB surgery. I thought somebody had to be significantly overweight to even qualify medically for the procedure, and only then would insurance possibly cover it. I might be wrong though, and of course things could have changed since then.

I subscribe to Self magazine and the most recent issue had an article featuring 3 or 4 women who had bad experiences with the surgery, that I was just reading. As with anything it is not free from a lot of risks and a lot has to be considered when making the decision to go ahead with it or not. But again, I guess I am questioning whether just anybody can have it done, especially someone who isn't that much over weight??

[dlp252]

I was wondering if anyone feels a difference between B12 injections versus B12 orally?

I didn't have side effects to either the oral or injections. I can't say whether I noticed any difference either. I was taking so many other things, that I can't often pin what is doing what. I know on the days I gave myself the injections I did feel better in general, but not sure that wasn't just a placebo thing, lol. I DO know that it was REALLY hard to give myself the injections. It's not even that it hurt or anything because it really didn't...just some burning when it was injected, but it was just the actual act of injection that bothered me.

I think parasites and other beasties are a huge part of it too. Some people cant gain or they cant lose until they get rid of the parasites or yeast or whatever other bug they might have.

Yeah, pretty sure I still have a tonage of parasites. My bowels have been VERY noisy lately.

[Green12]

Yeah, pretty sure I still have a tonage of parasites.

A tonage!

Donna

[confused]

Ok wanted to talk about the gastric bypas surgery. From what i have read throughout the years. Is that the only way it is going to work is if u deal with why you are overweight to begin with. If you do not deal with that first then you are going to gain the weight back. I read that in dr phils. book last year.

The only time i would recommend the surgery is if it is a medical necessity. My friend that wants the surgery is having it cause of an medical condition. She has thyroid disease. They feel if she does it will she will have an longer healthy life. They made her take some clases to see if she was emotionally stable to have the surgery. She passed all those classes then became pg with her 7th child. I truthfully feel it was an God send that she got pg. Im so afraid for her to have the surgery. I dont want her to leave behind 7 kids, just to be skinny again.

There was an women in one of my weight loss groups that had it done, or she said she had it done. Ive kinda wondered if she was for real to begin with. Have to love the internet. I know she said she felt great after it, but I dont think she has lost that much weight from the pics she had posted. So i really cant say much from her.

I have been struggling with my weight for years since having kids. I do really good for a couple of weeks, then i just backslide. It is so hard to lose weight after kids, especially an c/s. The doctors say i will never have the same body back no matter how hard i try. Am i overweight in the medical drs eyes, no but i am in my eyes.

If she wants an online weight loss buddy once the kids are in school, tell her i would love to be one with her. I can motivate others to lose weight, i just cant motivate myself with all of my up and down days.

How much does she want to lose? She can always join ww, or biggest loser club online. If she is really unhappy with her weight then she needs to take bb steps. Get up and exercise before the kids get up. Play sports with the kids. I know one big thing i made an mistake with was, i would eat what the kids didnt eat. I was afraid to waste food so i would eat there food. I think many moms do that. She needs to find the time for her. Of course she wont lose all the weight over-night, but she will, if she has no other medical problems.

Could she talk to her dr, about diet pills. Ones with very little side effects. Like maybe alli.

paula

[Green12]

A lot of stuff happened at my appt and it went well. We did switch my mepron and zith to alinia and malarone. She said we will have better luck with them because I tested well for them. I started malarone yesterday and I've been totally out of it today.

My gyno wants me to go off the pill and the other med that is stopping my period. She wants me to get my period. I don't want to, but I don't have a choice. She said this will tell us truly more of what is happening. The kinda good thing is that I will get more anemic so I can get a blood transfusion which would really help with all the iron issues. I would get one now, but my hemoglobin isn't low enough.

Kassandra, I hope the med switch makes a difference for you

REALLY good news is that I found out tonight that my daughter has gone gluten-free! I knew she had a positive IGA through Enterolab, negative blood tests. I am hoping that she'll lose weight like I did as that has been a struggle for her.

This is great Sherry about your Dr

Carla, exciting news about your trip to Germany!

Jin, I hope the potential new roommate situation works out. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you

[confused]

Rachel, I am getting in on the tail end of this discussion, so I don't know if I am missing some detais but I thought there was quite a lengthy process (i.e. involving Drs and insurance comapnies) as to whether somebody is a candidate or not for the GB surgery. I thought somebody had to be significantly overweight to even qualify medically for the procedure, and only then would insurance possibly cover it. I might be wrong though, and of course things could have changed since then.

I subscribe to Self magazine and the most recent issue had an article featuring 3 or 4 women who had bad experiences with the surgery, that I was just reading. As with anything it is not free from a lot of risks and a lot has to be considered when making the decision to go ahead with it or not. But again, I guess I am questioning whether just anybody can have it done, especially someone who isn't that much over weight??

I think many doctors will do it for you anymore. Medical drs. just want to get paid anymore and not care about the person. You can always find an doctor that will do things even if it is not neccessary. Look at hoe many drs will give people c/s just cause moms dont want the pain, or want the bb born on a certain day.

Yeah, pretty sure I still have a tonage of parasites. My bowels have been VERY noisy lately.

I have an tonage to. SOme are slowly leaving the premises tho with all the onions and garlic i like to eat lol

A tonage!

Donna

Im happy to see you posting.I have been thinking of you. Is the heat as bad up there and is it is down here. I dont like heat anymore, i want fall here lol

[jerseyangel]

She hasnt actually seen the Dr. yet....but I assume alot of them ok it even if there are no health problems going on. Alot of people do it because they just want to be thin....why is that a medical necessity?? To me it seems like that would be considered "cosmetic" rather than medical. Like Liposuction....its totally cosmetic.

Having the surgery *just* because you want to be thin wouldn't be considered a medical necessity. Sometimes there are other conditions present that make the GB "medically necessary"--since she hasn't seen a doctor yet and hasn't gone through the probably lengthy process of even seeing if she is a candidate for the surgery there's no way to know if insurance would cover it or not.

I'm sure it's decided on a case by case basis

[confused]

I wanted to add, Germany is beautiful. I went there many many many years ago right after the wall came down. My brother was stationed over at the time. I would love to go back again one day.

Everyone,

Why do i have really awesome days and really bad days. This is driving me nuts. I have done more today then i have done in a week. Im really thinking it is correlating to my menstraul cycle. if it is would this be a a good indicator of adrenal fatigue. Or is it i become so much more anemic when its that time of the month. Maybe i need to take my iron pills again lol But i hate the pills. It makes me have more "c" then i already have.

paula

[Green12]

Im happy to see you posting.I have been thinking of you. Is the heat as bad up there and is it is down here. I dont like heat anymore, i want fall here lol

Thanks Paula, you've been in my thoughts too. Sorry about the up and down days I would have increase in symptoms too around my periods, but I seem to have smoothed things out in the last couple of years.

The heat, gawd! It has been soooo hot here too, very draining. I don't even feel like eating

[Rachel--24]

Rachel, I am getting in on the tail end of this discussion, so I don't know if I am missing some detais but I thought there was quite a lengthy process (i.e. involving Drs and insurance comapnies) as to whether somebody is a candidate or not for the GB surgery. I thought somebody had to be significantly overweight to even qualify medically for the procedure, and only then would insurance possibly cover it. I might be wrong though, and of course things could have changed since then.

I subscribe to Self magazine and the most recent issue had an article featuring 3 or 4 women who had bad experiences with the surgery, that I was just reading. As with anything it is not free from a lot of risks and a lot has to be considered when making the decision to go ahead with it or not. But again, I guess I am questioning whether just anybody can have it done, especially someone who isn't that much over weight??

Hi Julie! I was missing your posts lately.

I dont know what is considered "significantly overweight"? I look at her and I dont think shes significantly overweight....but other people might think differently. She obviously FEELS she's significantly overweight.

She might qualify but I think that the doctors should take into account a person's medical issues as well. She doesnt have any right now. She's doing alot better then my skinny butt...thats for sure!

I dont think just anyone can have it done......but I think they can have it done based on the weight alone....regardless of whether or not they're having any health issues (as a result of the weight). From the YouTube videos I watched it seemed like people were having it done..in good health. They scarificed their health in order to be thin.

A tonage!

Good one Donna!

Yeah...I'm pretty sure I have a tonage too! Damn freeloaders.

Ok wanted to talk about the gastric bypas surgery. From what i have read throughout the years. Is that the only way it is going to work is if u deal with why you are overweight to begin with. If you do not deal with that first then you are going to gain the weight back. I read that in dr phils. book last year.

I agree with that Paula. Theres some emotional stuff that goes along with it...and that stuff doesnt necessarily go away after the surgery. Its a "whole body" thing...not just about limiting what you eat...but also dealing with the stuff that got you there in the first place.

She has thyroid disease. They feel if she does it will she will have an longer healthy life. They made her take some clases to see if she was emotionally stable to have the surgery. She passed all those classes then became pg with her 7th child. I truthfully feel it was an God send that she got pg. Im so afraid for her to have the surgery. I dont want her to leave behind 7 kids, just to be skinny again.

Everything happens for a reason. Maybe she got pregnant with her 7th child so that she would NOT go through with this surgery. I feel the same way you do...I dont want anything to happen to my friend just so that she can be skinny again. Skinny is not all that its cracked up to be.

You dont have to be skinny to be beautiful.

And since when is Gastric Bypass a treatment for thyroid disease??

OMG...that just doesnt seem right to me at all. Is the thyroid going to stabilize because her stomach is smaller?? NO...it doesnt work that way! Yeah....she may have a difficult time losing weight if her thyroid is sluggish....but gastric bypass isnt gonna "fix" her thyroid.

You have to get to the *root* of the problem...and this is just "bypassing" it....literally!

Am i overweight in the medical drs eyes, no but i am in my eyes.

I bet that your hubby doesnt see you as overweight either.

I think we're more *aware* of how we look and are more self conscious because we also dont FEEL good. I know that has alot to do with it for us.....well, for me it does.

In my eyes I'm too skinny. I know that I'm not *healthy* and I can tell that my weight isnt healthy either. Everyone else cant possibly understand...the girls at work think that I have the "perfect" body...why should I be concerned about being too thin.

I actually weighed less during my 20's....but my weight was solid.....it was healthy. I can feel the effects of the malabsorption regardless of what the number on the scale says. I'm no longer "underweight".....but its still not good. I dont seem to have enough muscle and I have alot of fluid retention.

Yeah....I can wear a bikini and have a flat stomach...but I'm sick! I'd trade bodies with any of those girls...and then I'd head over to the Italian restaurant and order a huge plate of spaghetti and meatballs.

Paula, my body has changed because of the health problems. Some of that might be the case for you too. If you have yeast...it can be hard to lose weight because it can have an effect on the endocrine system. Alot of things can make it harder for us.

If she wants an online weight loss buddy once the kids are in school, tell her i would love to be one with her. I can motivate others to lose weight, i just cant motivate myself with all of my up and down days.

That is very sweet.....I'm gonna mention this to her.

[Rachel--24]

How much does she want to lose? She can always join ww, or biggest loser club online. If she is really unhappy with her weight then she needs to take bb steps. Get up and exercise before the kids get up. Play sports with the kids. I know one big thing i made an mistake with was, i would eat what the kids didnt eat. I was afraid to waste food so i would eat there food. I think many moms do that. She needs to find the time for her. Of course she wont lose all the weight over-night, but she will, if she has no other medical problems.

I'm not sure how much she wants to lose. I think one time she told me 50 lbs....but I dont really know what her "goal" weight is?? My mom told me of a couple people at her work having gastric bypass...and then another who has lost 70 lbs. in the last 6 months just from doing Jenny Craig and walking!

I like that idea MUCH better!!

I really dont see her overeating....but she says she does. She did eat mostly fast food while she was working. She didnt have much time to cook while she was working fulltime with 3 kids. Now she can make positive changes though.

All of your ideas are good! What is the biggest loser club online?? Is it a contest like the TV show?

I'm sure it's decided on a case by case basis

Yeah...and in her case she doesnt need it!!

Just kidding. I told her I was gonna be supportive....and I will..regardless.

I wanted to add, Germany is beautiful. I went there many many many years ago right after the wall came down. My brother was stationed over at the time. I would love to go back again one day.

I would love to go there too. Thats my goal....get better so that I can go to Germany and not totally freeze my a** off in the snow.

I think I'm cold all the time because of low thyroid and malabsorption.

Can malabsorption make us colder??

Paula, I know I felt worse certain times of the month before I changed my diet. I'm not positive about this...but I really feel that the yeast contributed quite a bit.

[Nanjkay]

I shine the 880 side on the insides of both wrists, face, neck, chest, stomach, and both ears for five min. each. I also shine it on a scar behind my left knee, which is the knee that gets sore.

It's not a laser like Dr. C's LED treatments, so it's different.

I have not been using any vials. For the Bionic 880 there are vials used. I would be afraid to use them without being trained as they are vials of Lyme bacteria (nosodes).

I'm really leaning towards going. Money is not an issue (I have a "sponsor" ). It does look beautiful and Morgan will be in Spain that semester, so I can also go visit her ... and she can visit me. She will be in Seville, which is very warm ... right now it's about 100 every day.

Twenty years ago I did the backpacking thing after i graduated from undergrad and I remember Germany as the most beautiful (other than Paris) especially Bavaria. It is so green, lush and gorgeous.

Too bad we can't get a caravan of people to go to Germany. Share the info gathering (how will we eat gluten-free?) and expenses...share rooms, etc.

I would love to go. I have to wait til I am a bit stronger though.

I read up on Bionic 880 on LymeNet. The thread got a bit combative, but the info was helpful. Anyway, I am still very much interested in going and I believe in the theory or premise behind the bionic 880 because I don't know if I ever mentioned it but, my Dad is a quadriplegic and gets many bed sores. His caretaker, who is Slovakian (they are much more holisitic over there by default, they automatically do things naturally first) had her sister bring back from Prague a "healing light" (that is what she calls it, i have to get a better look at) and she shines the light on his bed sores and they heal within a day or two. Unbelievable if you know how stubborn bed sores are.

Anywho- Carla I think it is great that you are going to go. I don't think the treatment can hurt you and you will see your daughter and a beautiful part of the world!

Nancy

[Rachel--24]

Too bad we can't get a caravan of people to go to Germany. Share the info gathering (how will we eat gluten-free?) and expenses...share rooms, etc.

Yeah....lets just all pack up and go. How fun it would be!

My friend said they dont have Penta water though. Eeeeek.

How will I survive??

I read up on Bionic 880 on LymeNet. The thread got a bit combative, but the info was helpful.

Nancy...LymeNet is just combative in general. You have to wear your protective gear over there.

There are some who are just not very open minded.

Anyway, I am still very much interested in going and I believe in the theory or premise behind the bionic 880 because I don't know if I ever mentioned it but, my Dad is a quadriplegic and gets many bed sores. His caretaker, who is Slovakian (they are much more holisitic over there by default, they automatically do things naturally first) had her sister bring back from Prague a "healing light" (that is what she calls it, i have to get a better look at) and she shines the light on his bed sores and they heal within a day or two. Unbelievable if you know how stubborn bed sores are.

The first thing I wanted to try the light on are these little mole-like things that showed up on my back last year. I know it has to do with the toxicity...otherwise they wouldnt be there. I'm gonna have them checked out by the Dr. but I think they're just regular moles. There's 3 of them...and I wanted to see if useing the light on them would have any effect.

What do you think?

If it does something I'd probably hold onto that thing forever....use it on every little thing that shows up.

Uh....Carla...I guess that would be considered racheling it huh?

BTW...my friend (who's in Germany) went to see Prauge today. Maybe I'll get some pictures.

[Nanjkay]

Ok...no big surprise here but still good to know *for sure*. Glutathione is deficient in most cases of autism, lyme disease, heavy metals, etc.

Too bad I cant tolerate any form of glutathione. Had a bad reaction to IV glutathione, didnt do well with NAC, reacted to reduced glutathione, dont test well for lipoic acid, reacted to TD-DMPS w/ glutathione...and glutathione tested as a major stressor with ART.

Are you happy with the results? I mentioned before that I can't tolerate any form of glutathione either. I did an amino acid panel with Doctor's Data and I think that would be a great test to cross reference with the OAT test. I was able to figure out, for the first time, about my glutathione problem because my cysteine levels were off the charts. So I stayed away from anything that converted to cysteine (or anything that had cysteine in the name..very scientific). i stayed away from amino acids in the same chain - like taurine, methionine, etc. I also started supplementing certain B vitamins to help with the conversion of deficient amino acids... B6 in particular. My thyroid is so sluggish and I began supplementing Tyrosine and without it, I don't think I could get out of bed in the morning.

Also, I've read that B6 is great to take around the luteal phase of the menstrual cycle.

Who does the OAT test?

Because I can't do glutathione either, does this mean I can't tolerate any form of detox (did very poorly on others as well)? This is where I get very confused. i feel like I can't chelate unless I can detox but I have the worst reaction when i have tried anything like a detox...so what do I do? And am I confusing this detox reaction with an actual herx?

[Nanjkay]

Yeah....lets just all pack up and go. How fun it would be!

I am half serious about it. It feels too overwhelming of an endeavor to do alone...especially at this stage of the game for me, but if we divided the researching, it would be easier, no? And then once over there we could all talk about what we're experiencing, if we are scared, pleased, etc.

Nancy...LymeNet is just combative in general. You have to wear your protective gear over there.

There are some who are just not very open minded.

Yes, I was got very stressed out over there. :blink

The first thing I wanted to try the light on are these little mole-like things that showed up on my back last year. I know it has to do with the toxicity...otherwise they wouldnt be there. I'm gonna have them checked out by the Dr. but I think they're just regular moles. There's 3 of them...and I wanted to see if useing the light on them would have any effect.

What do you think?

I know you can't tolerate ALA but that has helped me with raised things on my skin. I know skin tags can also come from high insulin levels or insulin resistance ( I have a lot of moles and raised skin thingies and tags). About the light, I don't about the moles. I guess using the light in general would help with toxicity and therefor, help with the moles. I just spoke to my Dad's caretaker. The light she used on my Dad is called BioLamp from Czech Republic...so don't know if it is the same thing as what we have here. She said it is on a timer so to use your phrase, if may be impossible to "Rachel" it because it is pre-timed.

BTW...my friend (who's in Germany) went to see Prauge today. Maybe I'll get some pictures.

Prague is supposed to be like a fairyland. Did you ever see the movie Last Holiday? Hotel Pupp is right outside of Prague. It looks like a dream.

Nancy

[dlp252]

Why do i have really awesome days and really bad days. This is driving me nuts. I have done more today then i have done in a week. Im really thinking it is correlating to my menstraul cycle. if it is would this be a a good indicator of adrenal fatigue. Or is it i become so much more anemic when its that time of the month. Maybe i need to take my iron pills again lol But i hate the pills. It makes me have more "c" then i already have.

Or, something my friend and I were "chatting" about today...she and I both do the same thing. We feel really good, so we do things...lots of things...probably too many things and bad days follow. She and I are both trying to figure out that fine line between doing stuff, but not doing too much. It's easy to do more when you feel good, but I think sometimes we try to do too much.

Yeah....lets just all pack up and go. How fun it would be!

My friend said they dont have Penta water though. Eeeeek.

How will I survive??

I love to travel, but Germany is one of the places I REALLY want to visit someday...it WOULD be fun if we could all go! Who knows, they may have even better water over there.

Everyone,

At 53 years old I got scolded, lol. My mother has been calling every morning to check on me and she comes over 2-3 days a week to take out my garbage and get my mail. Her next "scheduled" day to come was Tuesday. So this morning I was feeling really good, my foot didn't hurt, I was finished showering, finished with breakfast and just sitting around with my foot over my head and it was only 7:00 am. My mom usually calls around 8:00 so I decided to go try to get my mail myself. I dusted off my crutches, had the key in the lock and the phone rang. It was mom...a whole hour earlier than normal. Mom said she and my aunt decided to go to breakfast at a restaurant down the street from me so they would come today. I told mom about my near adventure and that it must have been meant for me NOT to go get the mail. This goes back to that doing too much stuff. Yeah, I got scolded.

[Rachel--24]

Are you happy with the results?

Yes...I'm happy with the results. In my case answers have never come easy so every bit of info. helps. I've taken alot of tests that really didnt give me much to work with.

This gives me some direction...some areas that I need to address. I have not been taking any vitamins for a long time now because of not knowing what I need as well as having difficulty finding brands that I can tolerate.

Also, I havent been doing anything to raise glutathione because my hands have been tied as far as that goes. I'm avoiding the same things you're avoiding...anything that contains or converts to cysteine. I test bad for all of it...NAC, taurine, whey powder, etc.

Theres a new product coming out which is suppossed to raise glutathione levels. It scavenges free radicals in the body which leads to an increase of glutathione in the cells. I'm not sure how well it will work but I'm interested.

The mention of selenium in relation to low glutathione also helps me because I am very deficient in selenium. I need to raise that as well.

Also, I've read that B6 is great to take around the luteal phase of the menstrual cycle.

B6 is definately important...high doses used in treating autistic kids has had some very good results.

Who does the OAT test?

Great Plains Laboratory. I think theres a couple other labs doing the test but GP is supossed to be the most comprehensive.

Because I can't do glutathione either, does this mean I can't tolerate any form of detox (did very poorly on others as well)?

There are some things I havent had any problems with. I did well with IV DMPS, epsom salts, fir saunas (occassionally), zeolite and some of the other things I've done.

You just have to find what works for you. I cant remember if you have anyone available to do energetic testing?

And am I confusing this detox reaction with an actual herx?

I think its more common that people are having difficulty with detoxification and thinking that its a herx. If you're not killing off any bugs then its not really a herx.

Sometimes we can feel bad starting out with something that is actually helping us.....thats more of a "healing crisis".

I had a healing crisis when I first changed my diet....I thought I was dying....then all the "clouds" parted and I felt great after having been really sick for 2 years.

If the clouds dont part...and you just continue to feel bad...then probably whatever you're doing is causing a great deal of stress.