Omg...i Might Be On To Something

[dlp252]

Judy - never be afraid to post here...even if we've discussed something a hundred times, as you can see, we end up discussing it again at some point. It's too hard to go back in this thread, lol.

Rice, grrrr. I was eating a lot of it up until last week. Towards the end of the week I decided to cut it out too.

So far so good on my meat/veggies thing...I had noticably less itching yesterday...still some in the afternoon, and a little right now as a matter of fact. Yesterday none at all until after I took a shower and shaved my legs. Today none until now, just got back from a brisk walk.

[Rachel--24]

Judy...no worries. I repeat myself all the time here...say whatever it is you wanna say and we'll always listen.

Ummm...did I confuse everyone??

I wasnt exactly saying sweet potatoes are high in histamine...as far as I know they're not. They were listed as being high in folic acid which can cause histamine levels to rise....not a problem unless you have above normal histamine levels.

I read several times that a person with high histamines should never take a multi vitamin. Interesting. I cant take vitamins....we know that already. Alot of us get worse on vitamins....could this be why? Not only does folic acid raise histamine levels but also B12....this is the reason for not taking vitamins. They will make the situation worse.

I know I have problems with Sulfites...even some foods high in sulfur if I eat too much or if I'm already "reactive". Julie..I think that girl thats doing the histamine diet but still eating alot of histamine foods mentioned something about sulfur on her webpage.

So I always have problems with eggs and today I found this...

We eat eggs, but not every day. Eggs, onions and many cruciferous vegetable (broccoli, cauliflower, etc. ) contain high amounts of sulfur, which has been associated with reduced copper levels.

Julie....you posted the other day about reduced copper being found in high histamine people. Maybe sulfur and sulfites are bringing copper levels down and causing histamine to rise??? Milk and animal products are high in sulfur as well as broccoli, cabbage, onions, garlic, cauliflower, some lettuce, etc.. Almost all the processed foods have sulfites added in but if under 10 ppm it doesnt have to be labeled. A little bit here and there can add up pretty fast though....next thing you know...REACTION.

Sorry for shouting...got a little excited.

Soooo...what if the sulfur foods and sulfites accumulate to undersireable levels because we cant break it down for some reason, then copper is reduced, then other things start to happen like elevated histamine, thyroid imbalance, etc.

What do you think??

For sure I have problems with sulfites and too much sulfur foods....thats when I get mouth blisters.

Gonna go find that girls page.....be right back...

ok..

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[jerseyangel]

I read several times that a person with high histamines should never take a multi vitamin. Interesting. I cant take vitamins....we know that already. Alot of us get worse on vitamins....could this be why? Not only does folic acid raise histamine levels but also B12....this is the reason for not taking vitamins. They will make the situation worse.

I have discontinued all vitamins and suppliments--and felt better almost immediately.

I sensed that something in them was not agreeing with me--the interesting thing is, I've tried several brands and none of them worked for me. I did take Centrum for a long time--it seemed to be the easiest one for me to tolerate, but when I stopped it, I couldn't believe the difference. It was a low-level reaction, I can see now, that I didn't realize was there until it was gone

Much like the filtered water.....

[Judyin Philly]

EDIT****BY JUDY***

WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN YOU CAN'T GO BACK AND RE-READ YOUR POST AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST TYPED???? I THINK I'M LOSING MY MIND..WILL TRY TO CLEAN IT UP SO IT MAKES SENCE...FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ALREAD READ IT...FORGIVE ME...

I can't find the print out of the topic of GMF= Genetically modified foods as mentioned on GMA today.

WHAT I FOUND WAS FROM JUNE 10TH on the same topic only spent 1/2 on this...what doesn't kill me....will kill me by having to do research on it...oie

WELL HELL....THE FORUM WON'T LET ME PUT THE LINK. i KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE DONE THAT..

I CAN EMAIL SOMEONE HERE THE LINK AND MAYBE YOU CAN PUT IT UP.

I GIVE UP

Funny --I was paid by the hospital to do medical searches for the Dr's HA--but I Had all the terms, spellings and proper medical journal access...guess i can do that but can't navigate the web..

oh well, back to cleaning the room ...it's brainless.

judy

[Daxin]

So I am potentially onticing a problem with the folic acid and the histamine thing, and since is the mad scientist half of out PGFCF here it goes:

Women NEED folic acid if the plan to get/are pregnant. If Folic acid raises histamine levels, and you already have high levels, does this not pose a health risk to both the mother and child? Not that it applies to me, but it could to others, or I may just be a dumb boy

Just a thought.

[dlp252]

Milk and animal products are high in sulfur as well as broccoli, cabbage, onions, garlic, cauliflower, some lettuce, etc..

Egads!!! Ate a ton of broccoli yesterday, lol. Been eating a mix with cauliflower in it too but not that much...don't eat cabbage or onions/garlic anymore and no lettuce since I can't have dressing. I do eat a lot of animal products...don't know what else to eat anymore, lol.

or I may just be a dumb boy

Never!

[Green12]

Oh great! Now they are messing with the rice, just what I needed to hear.

Hi everybody!

Judy, I ditto what everyone else said, bring up whatever you want

Rachel, what you say makes a lot of sense. The info I found did say that the DAO enzyme that degraded dietary histamine was a copper functioning enzyme, and if these other factors and variables (i.e. sulfer and sulphites) cause a reduction in copper levels, then the DAO enzyme activity is reduced=more histamine in the body=more reaction=more allergies/intolerances, never ending cycle.

It's interesting when I did NAET, the things that were always troublesome for me were the sulphites, as well as gluten/gliadin- don't know what that exactly means, but so many of us have so many problems with the basic chemical components of foods, amines, sulphites, etc.

What is happening in our bodies that causes a complete breakdown of the process of taking food in, digesting it, utilizing it , and eliminating it???

So I am potentially onticing a problem with the folic acid and the histamine thing, and since is the mad scientist half of out PGFCF here it goes:

Women NEED folic acid if the plan to get/are pregnant. If Folic acid raises histamine levels, and you already have high levels, does this not pose a health risk to both the mother and child? Not that it applies to me, but it could to others, or I may just be a dumb boy

Just a thought.

You are not a dumb boy Ryan

You bring up a very good point, and since I am of child bearing age and want to have children, I don't know what I would do about this- since I have a huge problem with histamine and a pretty serious condition because of it.

[AndreaB]

Off the wall question.......do any of you have problems with beans?

I'm allergic to three and Mitch two that we know of. Mitch is kinda leary about trying any others, but I want to try them so I can either clear them out of the house or keep them for more variety.

Seems like I eat a lot of sulfur foods....don't have a problem with them....yet. Does anyone remember that alkaline/acidic list that was posted eons ago? Even when I wasn't eating meat it seems like I was eating more acidic. All these different things to look at are confusing.

[CarlaB]

Beans usually upset my stomach. But since it's just a little discomfort, and not a several day reaction, I will eat them ocassionally, but usually I avoid them.

[jerseyangel]

I have problems with all legumes.

Soy is the worst, I get cramping, gas and nausea.

The others--beans, peas, peanuts, green beans, chick peas I can handle once in a while, any more than that causes stomach problems. I have been staying away from them completely until I heal some more. I'm hoping that at some point, I'll be able to eat them more regularly. I don't think I'll ever get to the point where I could eat legumes every day, though.

[AndreaB]

An article I found on soy allergies.

Soy Allergy

From Judy Tidwell,

Your Guide to Allergies.

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Soy Has at Least 15 Allergenic Proteins

Soy, also referred to as soya, soy bean, or glycine max, is among the main foods that produce reactions worldwide -- mostly, but not exclusively, in infants.

It is not completely certain which specific component of soy is responsible for reactions, but at least 15 allergenic proteins have been identified.

The way soy foods are processed can affect allergenicity. All soy products may not cause reactions. Some fermented soy foods may be less allergenic than raw soy beans. Soybean oil, which does not contain protein, may not produce symptoms. It just depends on the individual.

Symptoms of Soy Allergy

The reported symptoms of soy bean allergy include: acne, angioedema, rhinitis, anaphylaxis, asthma, atopic dermatitis, bronchospasm, cankers, colitis, conjunctivitis, diarrhea, diffuse small bowel disease, dyspnea, eczema, enterocolitis, fever, hypotension, itching, laryngeal edema, lethargy, pollinosis, urticaria, vomiting, and wheezing.

Cross Reactivity

Those allergic to soy beans may also cross react to certain foods, such as peanuts, green peas, chick peas, lima beans, string beans, wheat flour, rye flour, and barley flour.

Where Is Soy Found?

A great many foods already in your kitchen cupboard contain products that contain some type of soy food.

Listed below are the terms associated with soy foods:

Hydrolyzed vegetable protein (HVP) is a protein obtained from any vegetable, including soy beans that is a flavor enhancer that can be used in soups, broths, sauces, gravies, flavoring and spice blends, canned and frozen vegetables, meats and poultry.

Lecithin is extracted from soybean oil and is used in foods that are high in fats and oils to promote stabilization, antioxidation, crystallization, and spattering control. It is used as an emulsifier in chocolate. Most infant formulas contain soy lechithin.

Miso, used to flavor soups, sauces, dressings, marinades and pâtés, is a rich, salty condiment made from soy beans and a grain such as rice.

Mono-diglyceride, another soy derivative, is used for emulsion in many foods.

Monosodium glutamate (MSG) may contain hydroylzed protein which is often made from soy.

Natto, more easily digested than whole soy beans, is made of fermented and cooked whole soy beans.

Natural flavors, listed on ingredient labels may be a soy derivative.

Soy cheese, a substitute for sour cream or cream cheese, is made from soy milk.

Soy fiber whether okara, soy bran, and soy isolate fiber are used as food ingredients.

Soy flour, whether natural, defatted, and lecithinated, is made from finely ground roasted soy beans. They are often used to give a protein boost to recipes.

Soy grits, made from toasted coarsely cracked soy beans, is used as a flour substitute.

Soy meal and soy oil are used in a number of industrial products, including inks, soaps, and cosmetics.

Soy milk is used alone or can be made into soy yogurt, soy cheese, or tofu.

Soy oil, the natural oil extracted from whole soy beans, is the most widely used oil in the United States. Soy oil is used to make most margarines, Crisco and other vegetable shortenings, prepared pasta sauces, worchestershire sauce, salad dressings, mayonnaise, canned tuna, dry lemonade mix, and hot chocolate mix. Most commercial baked goods like breads, rolls, cakes, cookies, and crackers contain soy oil. Some prepackaged cereals are also made with soy oil.

Soy protein can be labeled as soy protein concentrate, isolated soy protein, textured soy protein (TSP), and textured soy flour (TSF). Textured soy flour is widely used as a meat extender. Most soup bouillons contain some form of soy protein. Many meat alternatives contain soy protein or tofu.

Soy sauces, the most common being Tamari (a by-product of making miso), Shoyu (a blend of soy beans and wheat), and Teriyaki (with added sugar, vinegar and spices), are dark brown liquids made from soy beans that have undergone a fermenting process.

Soy yogurt, made from soy milk, is an easy substitute for sour cream or cream cheese. Non dairy frozen desserts are made from soy milk or soy yogurt.

Tempeh, a traditional Indonesian food, is a chunky, tender soybean cake.

Tofu, also known as soybean curd, is a soft cheese-like food made by curdling fresh hot soy milk with a coagulant. It is a bland product that easily absorbs the flavors of other ingredients with which it is cooked. When mixed with other ingredients it can simulate various kinds of meat.

Vegetable oil, a generic term, is usually 100 percent soy oil or a blend of soy oil and other oils.

Vegetable protein is often the term used for soy protein.

Vitamin E contains soy bean oil.

If you are allergic to soy, it is best to read all ingredient labels, and if in doubt, contact the manufacturer of the product before purchasing it.

[Rachel--24]

I cant eat any beans....no beans for me...they are high in histamine too. Every bean I've tried has messed me up...plus I was letting them soak all night which only makes the histamine problem worse....I am just now finding out.

I have all this stuff saved....all the lists from all the zillions of different diets....its hard to remember whats what though. Today I went back to Sulfites. I dont know why but sometimes I'll look at the same thing a bunch of times but then all of a sudden something makes sense about it. Thats what I'm feeling like right now.

I know I dont eat anything thats got sulfites on the labeling but I know it can be unlabeled under 10 ppm. Also...it can be processed into other ingredients and therefore labeling is not required.

Deja vu...thats exactly what they do with the MSG...process it into other ingredients to avoid labeling....very tricky.

So these are some ingredients that would likely have sulfites in them...

Corn

Corn Starch, unmodified

Corn Starch, modified

Maltodextrin (polydex)

Corn Syrup or Glucose

Corn Syrup Solids CSS

Dextrose

Fructose

High Fructose Syrup

Grape

Market grapes

Grape Juice Concentrate

White Grape Concentrate

Raisins or Raisin Paste

Wine

Wine Vinegar

Potato

Dehydrated Potato

Frozen Potato (fries)

Potato Starch

Potato Flour

Protein

Gelatin

Shrimp or Crab

Pizza, cheese topping

Eggs

Cheese

Fruit

Fruit, dried and sulfured

Coconut, dried /shredded

Lemon Juice Concentrate

Apple Cider Vinegar

Sweets

Cane and Beet Sugar

Powdered Sugar

Molasses, sulfured

Peanuts

Chocolate, cocoa

Caramel color

Looking at this list alot of stuff sticks out. Actually I've had problems with everything on this list. Another thing I'm noticing....the grape juice ingredients...almost all the gluten-free treats I've had are sweetened with grape juice....which just happens to be super high on the sulfite list.

Potato ingredients, corn ingredients, cane sugar, molasses, cocoa, eggs....they're all gonna be in alot of the gluten-free foods we get sick from.

I've eaten a carton of eggs per week for about 3 or 4 weeks now so I'm definately cutting out the eggs after I had a major attack from 4 egg yolks on Friday. Also I've had a headache every single day. No more cane sugar ever since I had a major reaction from having it in my ice cream. I do seem to get histamine reactions from sugar. Hopefully I'll notice improvement w/out eggs.

[Guest Robbin]

Hi Everyone, Just a quick drive-by -whew, took awhile to get caught up on all the threads, still have a way to go.

Julie, the copper enzyme defiency makes alot of sense-we must be lacking in quite a few enzymes because of long-standing intestinal problems. I hope when we get a diet that doesn't make us sicker, we can heal and begin producing them. I am really hoping it isn't another as yet undiscovered genetic thing. That would really suck.

Rachel, your list of foods looks like mine, it is sooo frustrating. One step forward and two steps back. Kinda like raking leaves in a wind storm. You look so lovely in your new picture!

Judy-wow, you are as lovely outside as you are inside What a doll you are too!

Thanks for the hard work and scientificness !! Take care all of you

[AndreaB]

I cant eat any beans....no beans for me...they are high in histamine too. Every bean I've tried has messed me up...plus I was letting them soak all night which only makes the histamine problem worse....I am just now finding out.

Rachel,

I figured you'd post about these if they were a histamine food. We don't typically have problems with histamines but I will definately be more watchful since we are allergic to some beans....makes sense that other problems could follow if we 'Rachel' something.

We don't eat most of what's on the list except the fruit category. We try to avoid the cornstarch ect. but it is not always possible.

Have you tried arrowroot in place of cornstarch. I don't know if that would bother you but we use it exlusively at home instead of cornstarch and I've even replaced it in recipes. It is evenly changeable with cornstarch. Just a thought.

[Rachel--24]

I'm confused about sugars.

When I look at the nutritional info on the back of a bag of cane sugar it says its got 4 gr. of sugar per serving. But when I look at agave nectar it has 16 gr. per serving. Why is it that the Agave is better for us than the cane sugar??

If I'm avoiding sugar should I also be avoiding the agave?? If they say sugar can cause adrenaline rush...can the agave have the same effect or are they two different things??

Andrea, I've used arrowroot in baking but dont know if i'm ok with it or not.

[AndreaB]

Natural sugars are supposed to be better for you. You obviously would need less agave to get the same sweetness so that is better. If you need to give your body a break I would think it would be necessary to go off of all sugars for a few weeks. The only problem is...I don't know what you'd eat since you are already so limited.

We switch between raw sugar, turbinado for the cane type sugar. If honey is ok with you that is a good replacement as well as applesauce. The less sugar you get used to the better all around. Of course you don't need to lose weight....but for those who do, I lost 18 pounds in 3 weeks when I cut out refined sugar from my diet. Mitch lost too but I forget how much.

[Rachel--24]

You obviously would need less agave to get the same sweetness so that is better.

Yeah....you would think....problem is I'm Rachel....and well...that says it all right there.

[AndreaB]

Yeah....you would think....problem is I'm Rachel....and well...that says it all right there.

How true.....MINOR oversite on my part.

[Green12]

I'm confused about sugars.

When I look at the nutritional info on the back of a bag of cane sugar it says its got 4 gr. of sugar per serving. But when I look at agave nectar it has 16 gr. per serving. Why is it that the Agave is better for us than the cane sugar??

If I'm avoiding sugar should I also be avoiding the agave?? If they say sugar can cause adrenaline rush...can the agave have the same effect or are they two different things??

From what I understand, this is where the adrenals come into play. Sugars, refined, cause a spike in adrenaline and our nervous systems get all wacked out. Apparently, histamine reactions cause a depletion in our adrenaline supply as it is, so the if you eat sugar you are really stressing the adrenals and the body.

Natural sugars don't do this, in moderation of course, honey, maple syrup, fruit, I would assume agave would fit into this category but I am not completely sure.

[lindalee]

EDIT****BY JUDY***

WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN YOU CAN'T GO BACK AND RE-READ YOUR POST AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST TYPED???? I THINK I'M LOSING MY MIND..WILL TRY TO CLEAN IT UP SO IT MAKES SENCE...FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ALREAD READ IT...FORGIVE ME...

I can't find the print out of the topic of GMF= Genetically modified foods as mentioned on GMA today.

WHAT I FOUND WAS FROM JUNE 10TH on the same topic only spent 1/2 on this...what doesn't kill me....will kill me by having to do research on it...oie

WELL HELL....THE FORUM WON'T LET ME PUT THE LINK. i KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE DONE THAT..

I CAN EMAIL SOMEONE HERE THE LINK AND MAYBE YOU CAN PUT IT UP.

I GIVE UP

Funny --I was paid by the hospital to do medical searches for the Dr's HA--but I Had all the terms, spellings and proper medical journal access...guess i can do that but can't navigate the web..

oh well, back to cleaning the room ...it's brainless.

judy

Judy, I know what you mean. I can do all the computer stuff for work but when I get on here I feel like I can't do anything with the computer BTW, Thanks Patti and Judy - I did find the site

[Rachel--24]

Natural sugars don't do this, in moderation of course, honey, maple syrup, fruit, I would assume agave would fit into this category but I am not completely sure.

Thanks for the explanation Julie. I sometimes get a histamine reaction from the agave...same as I would with cane sugar. I know you guys all know how I am with Racheling food but I'm actually emabarrassed to say what I've done with the bottle of Agave in 2 days.

I really like the stuff...it tastes like syrup to me and everytime I start using it I literally start pouring it all over my food.

So...considering I'm probabaly not using normal amounts of the stuff....do you think it could be too much sugar and cause histamine to be released? Would a natural sugar still stress out the adrenals?

[AndreaB]

I know you guys all know how I am with Racheling food but I'm actually emabarrassed to say what I've done with the bottle of Agave in 2 days.

I really like the stuff...it tastes like syrup to me and everytime I start using it I literally start pouring it all over my food.

So...considering I'm probabaly not using normal amounts of the stuff....do you think it could be too much sugar and cause histamine to be released? Would a natural sugar still stress out the adrenals?

Rachel, Rachel, Rachel,

What are we going to do with you?

I'm no expert in this area....but I believe if you overdo the natural sugars it can cause problems too.

[Rachel--24]

I'm no expert in this area....but I believe if you overdo the natural sugars it can cause problems too.

ok.

[AndreaB]

Dealing with Adrenal Fatigue

Leigh Ann Garsteckil

Nutrition & Lifestyle Coach

Do you always feel fatigued? Are you overwhelmingly stressed? Do you suffer from frequent illness, anxiety, or poor concentration? These are all signs of adrenal fatigue and by eating properly you could alleviate some of your symptoms.

If you suffer from adrenal fatigue, which means the ability of your adrenal glands to carry out their normal functions has decreased, usually due to over stimulation, you may also tend to be hypoglycemic. In order for hypoglycemia to be diagnosed, our doctors typically run a modified glucose tolerance test. If you took the testing one step further and received the whole Diet Typing package (additional pH testing and nutritional evaluation), many people with hypoglycemia tend to type out as a Otters or Lions on the Hauser Diet scale.

Hypoglycemia can cause a person to feel tired and consistently hungry. The combination of low energy and high hunger is not a good one for losing weight or maintaining health. Although a person suffering from this may also need to be on a supplement program to help the adrenal glands, incorporating the right foods and eliminating the wrong ones can provide huge benefits. When we’re tired, sugary foods and caffeine are the usual choices we grab for a quick “pick me up”. However, these are the worst possible choices for a person with adrenal fatigue. Below is a list of foods to choose, foods to avoid, and why to do so.

Foods to Avoid:

1. Coffee-contains caffeine which will stimulate your adrenal gland even more.

2. Fruit-contains sugar, it may be natural sugars, but sugar is sugar in this case. Especially try to eliminate from breakfast when blood sugars tend to be their lowest.

3. Sugar-will increase hypoglycemia

4. White flour products-will increase hypoglycemia.

5. Cola-contains caffeine and unnatural substances, as well as sugar.

6. Chocolate-also contains caffeine and sugar!

Foods to Choose:

1. Foods high in protein-will help stabilize blood sugars.

2. Healthy fats (essential oils and nuts)-will help stabilize blood sugar and provide necessary nutrients.

3. Natural/Organic foods-will decrease the amount of toxins the body has to handle.

4. High fiber foods-can help alleviate constipation which can occur during stress.

5. Complex Carbohydrates - are a better carbohydrate choice for blood sugar stabilization, try to pair it up with a protein source.

6. Bright colored vegetables - great source of antioxidants.

By incorporating the right foods into your diet you can not only improve your adrenal fatigue, you can also see an improvement in your overall health. Although many of the “foods to avoid” are not typically recommended on any of the Hauser Diets, it is important for a person suffering from adrenal fatigue to know why they specifically should not eat them! As previously stated, diet alone may not be the answer to adrenal fatigue. If you think you suffer from adrenal fatigue come and see us at CMRS. The doctors would be happy to educate you on what your plan of action should be and I am ready to discuss dietary changes that you would like to make!

[Green12]

Thanks for the explanation Julie. I sometimes get a histamine reaction from the agave...same as I would with cane sugar. I know you guys all know how I am with Racheling food but I'm actually emabarrassed to say what I've done with the bottle of Agave in 2 days.

I really like the stuff...it tastes like syrup to me and everytime I start using it I literally start pouring it all over my food.

So...considering I'm probabaly not using normal amounts of the stuff....do you think it could be too much sugar and cause histamine to be released? Would a natural sugar still stress out the adrenals?

Well, my explanation was lacking scientificness

I guess I am a little brain fogged or something today, can't think of all of the information regarding the adrenals and sugar and reactions.....

I would definitely try to go for sugars in small amounts, natural sugars included. I think when the blood sugar spikes there is a whle other set of issues that come into play, that on top of high histamine in the body, stressed adrenals, lowered/overactive immunity, abnormal digestion (fermentation of sugars in the gut) there is just too much going on in the body for it to handle.

Need to do more research, but my brain can't handle it tonight

Sorry, not very helpful........