Omg...i Might Be On To Something

[miamia]

It makes perfect sense miamia. I had to do this too a couple years ago. I was down to only eating meat and vegetables and I had become so sensitive to any starches. I made myself start eating starches again, in small amounts (i.e 1/2 cup servings), like red skinned potatoes, sweet potatoes, brown rice, legumes, etc, and after about three months everything normalized for me. I was then able to eat these things no problem. Good luck with it!!

I discovered the last few day that I can't handle refined sugar in any capacity. I always knew this, but it was so much more obvious since I had cut it out completely for almost a month and then reintroduced it when I ate Pamela's chocolate chip cookies and brownies. My system got completely out of whack on every level. It just magnified all of my symptoms too.

Julie-

yeah I need to work the other way- I have found it harder and harder for my body to handle protein rich fods. I know my body needs them I can feel it- so I just am going to do my best to start adding them in. I have gotten good about veggees although I still cannot handle anything raw. I was able to introduce seeds(NO nuts!!!!) a while back and thats been one source of protein at least but I need to work on meats and fish now. I can;t do dairy but I am debating about trying goats or sheeps products. That would be very ambitious though so it might come later.

I also do very bad with sugar. Even fruit is too much for me really. I do drink juice but dilute it with water and really am down to only one kind of which is Ceres Pear juice- it has nothing in it but the fruit juice. I love the ceres mango juice too but mango dosen't seem to agree with me right now.

But if I have anything that is too sweet my body reacts right away. It is like a shock to my system. I don;'t mind this though becaus eI have never had much of a sweet tooth I am deinitly a savory food girl. I do miss my ice cream though but even then I always preferred frozen yogurt because it isn't as sweet.

I hope your body recovered from the cookies and brownies.

Miamia

Miamia,

That does make sense. Would I be correct that this is more the case of if you have a leaky gut or something like that? I hadn't eaten meat for 7 years when we picked it back up and, thankfully, didn't have any reactions. Beans on the other hand, that I don't have much, don't go so well with me.

I'm all for cutting out the bad things. I've started eating enjoy life chocolate chips again and maybe should reconsider since that's caffeine. I've heard alot of bad stuff about caffeine over the years (but can't remember it ). I've have also heard recently that evaporated cane juice isn't much better than refined sugar.

andrea-

yes I have leaky gut. I have not been eating meat or fish where as I used to often it always was something my body really needed- I can feel it stilll does but it hasen't been sitting right so I have been avioding it but I think I am gonna just start to eat and hope my body can acclimate to the changes.

Caffeine is such a weird topic it seems for every bad thing youn hear about it you hear a good thing about it. I used to drink alot of coffee. NOt for the caffeine I just loved it now I have a tiny bit in the morning but thats it. I have nver been really effected by caffiene but I know some people are super sensitive to it. I think like anything else it depends on your body.

Miamia

[AndreaB]

Miamia,

Keep us posted on how you are doing. I'm trying to think what would be easier on the stomach meat wise. Fish would seem to be one since it flakes and breaks down easy, maybe ground beef. Please be careful about what kind of meat you buy also. You want to buy the 100% grass fed, organic, natural....along those lines for the best meat healthwise. I don't know.....Rachel I see you here....any thoughts on this?

[Rachel--24]

I don't know.....Rachel I see you here....any thoughts on this?

Yeah...I was lost in the back pages.

Ummm...I feel like I'm back in school and just got called on and have no idea what the question was.

Meat...I agree with Andrea. Organic grass fed is the way to go...its all I eat as far as meat goes.

Was that the question??

[AndreaB]

Was that the question??

Yep, that was the question.

Basically I was trying to think of the meats that would be easiest on the digestive track and stomach.

[Rachel--24]

OMG....I cant even believe this!!

Way back toward the beginning of this thread I bought a bunch of corn-free, gluten-free mixes from Miss. Roben's Allergy site. I got like $90 worth of mixes for cookies, pizza, pancakes....you name it. I remember wondering about sulfites back then and I felt good about her mixes cuz they said the starches were sulfite-free.

I was getting major reactions from the first mix I tried so havent touched them since. Everything else is unopened still.

Today I go back on the website and everything I bought says LIMITED SULFITES.

WTF??? Its on there....in CAPS! It says they wont be getting in sulfite free starches until Fall 2006!

This info. was NOT on there when I bought the mixes. They had stated the starches were sulfite free.

I even doubted a sensitivity to sulfites due to their labeling and my reaction. I figured it was something else.

I am sooo mad right now...but then again....stuff makes sense again.

I wonder if I can get my money back for all the mixes I cant even use. Maybe a credit?? What BS.

[AndreaB]

Rachel,

I would certainly contact the company and find out if you can return the product or get a credit for future purchases.

[Rachel--24]

I am soooo thinking that my main problem is sulfites. I think that when I'm reacting to them my whole system goes haywire...depending on the dose. I think if I'm reacting to sulfites for some reason its harder for my body to handle starches, meats, and all high protein foods. Protein foods are sulfur rich so maybe they are compounding the problem when I'm already reacting or overloaded with sulfites.

I'm in scientifiness mode today...need to get home to Manteca to go over my food journals for the millionth time.

OMG...I think I might be on to something.

Hehe

[AndreaB]

I'm in scientifiness mode today...need to get home to Manteca to go over my food journals for the millionth time.

OMG...I think I might be on to something.

Hehe

We'll be waiting if you have any scientificness to share.

[Simply-V]

Rachel,

I feel your pain. You sound like you're really sensitive to corn, and that can cause a multitude of issues.

I recommend that you check out the following links:

Open Original Shared Link

Open Original Shared Link

Completely avoiding corn can be done, but its hard. Its in a lot of foods, even meats. Which makes it nearly impossible to diagnose and treat.

For your thyroid meds, I'd recommend checking into a compounding pharmacy that doesn't use fillers or contacting your regular pharmacy and asking for the "Prescribing information" for all forms of thyroid they carry so you can check its ingredients for possible corn and contact manufacturers with questions.

Hope you're doing better.

[Rachel--24]

Rachel,

I feel your pain. You sound like you're really sensitive to corn, and that can cause a multitude of issues.

I recommend that you check out the following links:

Open Original Shared Link

Open Original Shared Link

Completely avoiding corn can be done, but its hard. Its in a lot of foods, even meats. Which makes it nearly impossible to diagnose and treat.

For your thyroid meds, I'd recommend checking into a compounding pharmacy that doesn't use fillers or contacting your regular pharmacy and asking for the "Prescribing information" for all forms of thyroid they carry so you can check its ingredients for possible corn and contact manufacturers with questions.

Hope you're doing better.

Thanks Simply V,

I actually found out that corn isnt my problem. At the start of this thread in April I believed it might be. I got my meds compounded, studied the Avoiding Corn forum and got rid of every trace of corn...even in toothpaste. It turned out to not be the culprit though. I learned alot of useful information from your posts and the others on the corn forum...its helped me along the way.

[elisabet]

Hi Rachel

I just want to thank you for your scientifiness,I have eliminated diary,gluten,soy and corn from my son's diet

and it was still a problem,after reading your theory about histamine we did follow a low histamine diet,and it seems that ,histamine was the problem.

I will come back with (hopefully) more good news soon.

elisabet

[Rachel--24]

Thats great Elisabet! I'm glad you're son is doing better. Hopefully we'll be hearing more good news like this.

[dlp252]

Hi Donna.

I have TMJ too, I dont know if its from clenching in the night, I just have a tight jaw somtimes. But anyway.

I had a root canal too a month ago, I felt queasy after swallowing some of the dental material, and the

lidocaine, but that went away after 2 days, during the time where I had the temporary filling

waiting for the crown, I got really sick and had a really bitter taste in my mouth, the temp was made out of Acrylic, which I am really sensitive to. It was in my mouth and leaching out and making me sick, I even got a cold sore on my mouth and ive only had one in my whole life.

When I got the porceline tooth and he took out that acrylic crap, its been smooth sailing.

Yep, I've got the temp filling. I go back on Thursday for a re-check then I'll have to go to my regular dentist for a crown. I think I'm going to ask for porcelain...I'm really getting concerned about all the metal in my mouth, lol. Anyway, the pain of the cracked tooth on top of the pain of the TMJ was just unbearable. Thankfully, as soon as the root canal was finished I went home and took lots of Advil and put warm compresses on the jaw (advice from the dentist), so the pain level was managable. By the time the numbing stuff wore out, I was pretty comfortable.

[Rachel--24]

OK...I got back my test results last Wed. This was for the 24 hr. urine test.....the bloodwork wasnt back yet. The doc said histamine levels were normal. I'm a little bit leery about the ogre at the lab not properly handling the sample...I never saw her refridgerate it and she didnt handle my bloodwork properly so I'm a little skeptical...but whatever....I dont want to retake the test.

There is a new more important development...at least I think it is. When I first got sick and started typing my symptoms into the search engine....the first thing that caught my eye was mercury toxicity...specifically amalgam illness. I know I've talked about this alot in the past but could never get any real answers or any doctors to really address this.

The thing is...I got sick right after having 2 amalgam fillings removed and replaced with gold crowns. The new gold crowns were in direct contact with my remaining 2 amalgam fillings. I was in perfect health prior to this dental work. What I learned 4 years ago when I first learned of mercury toxicity is that

a. Amalgam fillings should NEVER be removed unless proper safety measures are taken...there is a specific protocol.

b. Gold crowns in contact with mercury fillings causes galvanic reaction. Galvanic reaction causes VERY high amounts of mercury to be leaked from the filling. As far as mercury toxicity from amalgam fillings goes....placing gold crowns in the presence of amalgam fillings is a very big no-no. Its emphasized in all of my readings that this should NEVER happen and its very dangerous.

So...when I read all this way back then I was very convinced since the symptoms matched and my dentist had done nothing to protect me from mercury exposure while removing the amalgam. My condition was far worse back then but at that time I hadnt eliminated all sources of chemicals in my diet and home the way I've done this past year.

I *was* experiencing galvanic reaction....it was like a sensation of my jaw being pulled together by some unknown force and also electric type shocks. I also was salivating so much that when I woke up at night my head and pillow were soaked from my own saliva. This was not something I'd ever experienced before and knew it was connected to the new crowns. I was grinding my teeth fiercely as well...another new problem. Grinding would have released even more amounts of mercury into my system.

The dentist acknowledged that I was experiencing galvanic reaction but he DID NOT acknowledge that any harm could be caused by it...or that mercury toxicity was a possibility. I didnt expect him to since I'd already read that in this country a dentist can lose his lisence for acknowledging the dangers of mercury in amalgams. I had him remove the gold crowns and replace with porcelain.

Later I saw a mercury-free dentist who evaluated me and removed the remaining amalgam....following the correct protocol. We were unsure of the materials used in the porcelain crowns and since a person as sensitive as I had become can be reactive to any materials he also removed those crowns. I had to take a compatibility test for all materials including cements to make sure whatever he put in my mouth was something safe for me. Its been exactly 2 years now since all the amalgams were removed and replaced.

Unfortunately mercury isnt easy to detect when it comes from amalgam. It doesnt travel around the body....it basically stores itself in tissue and wont show up in urine or blood. It causes autoimmune disease, chemical and environmental sensitivities and impairs the immune system....among other things. I had ordered a book online about amalgam illness...it was difficult reading...even for me, who loves the scientificness....not to mention that back then my brain wasnt functioning well at all. What I did understand is that mercury from amalgams can cause some very serious health problems....the list of conditions is long and its scary stuff for sure.

I pursued this to the best of my abilities from having everything removed to taking whatever tests were available to me. I had blood tests, urine tests and hair analysis...all which came up empty. I did understand, however, that no matter what the tests said....mercury could still be the problem. The biggest challenge was finding a doctor to take me serious w/out any eveidence of toxicity.

My doctors at HealthNow were focusing on the gluten related issues first but eventually did test me for mercury a few months back. It was a bloodtest to see if antibodies were present showing that my immune system was fighting mercury. Again, this isnt a reliable test but all that was offered to me.

I knew from my research almost 4 years ago that there is a specific test for detecting mercury toxicity. Its a DMPS mercury challenge. Basically DMPS is one of the only known chelators of mercury....another one is DMSA. First they take a urine sample and measure any mercury that may be in the urine. Next they administer the DMPS...it will pull mercury out of the tissue and it will be excreted in the urine. Urine is tested over a 24 hour period following the DMPS challenge. If the levels are dramatically increased it would indicate mercury toxicity in the patient. I was never able to find a doctor to run this test and eventually gave up and focused on other things. Obviously after all this time I'm only learning to manage my symptoms but definately not getting to the root of the problems.

At my doctor appt. last week the doctor told me they have been unsuccessful in getting to the bottom of things and all tests or treatments they've tried have failed. He now believes that mercury may be at the root of this...especially since I've stated at almost all my appts. that I got sick after the dental work. He decided to refer me to a specialist who will administer the DMPS challenge. Its a test that should only be given by a specialist and can be hazardous if not done correctly.

I have an appt. to see this doctor on Monday. I'm nervous and excited at the same time. Its been 4 years now and mercury has always been at the back of my mind. There is no way I could go from perfect health to this basically overnight...it happened very rapidly.

If the challenge comes back positive for toxicity they will chelate the mercury from my body the same way...with the DMPS....until the mercury is no longer showing up in my urine. Of all things...I never wanted mercury to be the reason for this. However at this point I'll be happy to find out once and for all and to start treatment and hopefully have my health restored.

I had told the dentist over 3 years ago that I believed I had been poisoned due to his ignorance about mercury. If it comes back positive I will be calling his office again. They need to know what I've gone through so that in the future they dont put someone else through something like this.

The worst part is that when he removed my amalgam he asked me what type of crowns I wanted....gold or porcelain? Well...who the heck wants gold in their mouth? I chose porcelain...he then proceeded to tell me that the porcelain were not very good, didnt last as long, werent durable, etc. He said the cost was the same but that gold was superior. Since the crowns were all the way in the back and not visible I agreed to the gold after he said all of this. If I had gotten the porcelain like I'd originally requested....I would probably still be healthy....if it turns out to be mercury toxicity I'm dealing with. I cant even tell you how many times this conversation has played out in my mind over the last 4 years.

I really have had alot of anger towards dentists since this occurred. In the future regardless of what the test results say....I will only see holistic dentists because they are the only ones who are aware of the dangers of amalgams and take it seriously. I remember when I did all my research that I read several times that of all professions....dentists have the highest suicide rate. They have high levels of mercury in their bodies due to unsafe practice and ignorance.

Well....I expect I'll have alot more to report in upcoming weeks. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for some answers.

Oh..its also a good thing that I've had my amalgams removed 2 years back. The DMPS cannot be administered under any circumstances if there is still amalgam in the patient. There is also a wait time between removal and chelation. I'm good to go since I got everything removed back then. Mercury will eventually leave the body on its own but it has a very long half-life....we're talking maybe 10-15 years after removing the amalgam. I'm not really wanting to wait another decade or more to get better. I also dont want anymore autoimmune diseases in the mean time.

[Daxin]

WOW!! So If I read this correctly, your dentist is a total twit!

I hope you find the answers you're looking for Rachel. It sounds like you may have a long road ahead.

[Green12]

Rachel, this all sounds very promising for you. What a relevation

I had a handful of DMPS tests and several rounds of chelation so if you have any questions you can pm me. Of course, it was some time ago and not really fresh in my mind but I will try my best to remember.

I wish you the best of luck with all of this

Yep, I've got the temp filling. I go back on Thursday for a re-check then I'll have to go to my regular dentist for a crown. I think I'm going to ask for porcelain...I'm really getting concerned about all the metal in my mouth, lol. Anyway, the pain of the cracked tooth on top of the pain of the TMJ was just unbearable. Thankfully, as soon as the root canal was finished I went home and took lots of Advil and put warm compresses on the jaw (advice from the dentist), so the pain level was managable. By the time the numbing stuff wore out, I was pretty comfortable.

Hi Donna! Good to hear you are hanging in there with all that has been going on with your mouth. Has the pain improved any since the root canal?

[AndreaB]

Rachel,

I'll be looking forward to the next installment after your appointment next week.

[Rachel--24]

Thanks guys.

Julie, did you have amalgams or did you have them removed or anything? Did you ever suspect amalgam illness? When you did DMPS did you have large amounts of mercury being excreted? I guess that would be the main question....I'm assuming in your case mercury toxicity wasnt the main issue??

EDIT: Nevermind....I will pm you with all my questions.

[AndreaB]

Yep, I've got the temp filling. I go back on Thursday for a re-check then I'll have to go to my regular dentist for a crown. I think I'm going to ask for porcelain...I'm really getting concerned about all the metal in my mouth, lol.

Oh, how I remember those. I had mine done before finding out we were expecting Seth. I still have 4 teeth that are cracked. I'm thinking of having two pulled since they are the back molars. Not looking forward to having any more done and am out of money anyway.

I still want to get allergy testing done for the rest of the family too. Maybe someday.

[Green12]

Thanks guys.

Julie, did you have amalgams or did you have them removed or anything? Did you ever suspect amalgam illness? When you did DMPS did you have large amounts of mercury being excreted? I guess that would be the main question....I'm assuming in your case mercury toxicity wasnt the main issue??

EDIT: Nevermind....I will pm you with all my questions.

I can answer here if you like

Hi Andrea

Elisabet, I am glad to hear your son is doing better following a low-histamine diet.

[dlp252]

OK...I got back my test results last Wed. This was for the 24 hr. urine test.....the bloodwork wasnt back yet. The doc said histamine levels were normal. I'm a little bit leery about the ogre at the lab not properly handling the sample...I never saw her refridgerate it and she didnt handle my bloodwork properly so I'm a little skeptical...but whatever....I dont want to retake the test.

There is a new more important development...at least I think it is. When I first got sick and started typing my symptoms into the search engine....the first thing that caught my eye was mercury toxicity...specifically amalgam illness. I know I've talked about this alot in the past but could never get any real answers or any doctors to really address this.

The thing is...I got sick right after having 2 amalgam fillings removed and replaced with gold crowns. The new gold crowns were in direct contact with my remaining 2 amalgam fillings. I was in perfect health prior to this dental work. What I learned 4 years ago when I first learned of mercury toxicity is that

a. Amalgam fillings should NEVER be removed unless proper safety measures are taken...there is a specific protocol.

b. Gold crowns in contact with mercury fillings causes galvanic reaction. Galvanic reaction causes VERY high amounts of mercury to be leaked from the filling. As far as mercury toxicity from amalgam fillings goes....placing gold crowns in the presence of amalgam fillings is a very big no-no. Its emphasized in all of my readings that this should NEVER happen and its very dangerous.

So...when I read all this way back then I was very convinced since the symptoms matched and my dentist had done nothing to protect me from mercury exposure while removing the amalgam. My condition was far worse back then but at that time I hadnt eliminated all sources of chemicals in my diet and home the way I've done this past year.

I *was* experiencing galvanic reaction....it was like a sensation of my jaw being pulled together by some unknown force and also electric type shocks. I also was salivating so much that when I woke up at night my head and pillow were soaked from my own saliva. This was not something I'd ever experienced before and knew it was connected to the new crowns. I was grinding my teeth fiercely as well...another new problem. Grinding would have released even more amounts of mercury into my system.

The dentist acknowledged that I was experiencing galvanic reaction but he DID NOT acknowledge that any harm could be caused by it...or that mercury toxicity was a possibility. I didnt expect him to since I'd already read that in this country a dentist can lose his lisence for acknowledging the dangers of mercury in amalgams. I had him remove the gold crowns and replace with porcelain.

Later I saw a mercury-free dentist who evaluated me and removed the remaining amalgam....following the correct protocol. We were unsure of the materials used in the porcelain crowns and since a person as sensitive as I had become can be reactive to any materials he also removed those crowns. I had to take a compatibility test for all materials including cements to make sure whatever he put in my mouth was something safe for me. Its been exactly 2 years now since all the amalgams were removed and replaced.

Unfortunately mercury isnt easy to detect when it comes from amalgam. It doesnt travel around the body....it basically stores itself in tissue and wont show up in urine or blood. It causes autoimmune disease, chemical and environmental sensitivities and impairs the immune system....among other things. I had ordered a book online about amalgam illness...it was difficult reading...even for me, who loves the scientificness....not to mention that back then my brain wasnt functioning well at all. What I did understand is that mercury from amalgams can cause some very serious health problems....the list of conditions is long and its scary stuff for sure.

I pursued this to the best of my abilities from having everything removed to taking whatever tests were available to me. I had blood tests, urine tests and hair analysis...all which came up empty. I did understand, however, that no matter what the tests said....mercury could still be the problem. The biggest challenge was finding a doctor to take me serious w/out any eveidence of toxicity.

My doctors at HealthNow were focusing on the gluten related issues first but eventually did test me for mercury a few months back. It was a bloodtest to see if antibodies were present showing that my immune system was fighting mercury. Again, this isnt a reliable test but all that was offered to me.

I knew from my research almost 4 years ago that there is a specific test for detecting mercury toxicity. Its a DMPS mercury challenge. Basically DMPS is one of the only known chelators of mercury....another one is DMSA. First they take a urine sample and measure any mercury that may be in the urine. Next they administer the DMPS...it will pull mercury out of the tissue and it will be excreted in the urine. Urine is tested over a 24 hour period following the DMPS challenge. If the levels are dramatically increased it would indicate mercury toxicity in the patient. I was never able to find a doctor to run this test and eventually gave up and focused on other things. Obviously after all this time I'm only learning to manage my symptoms but definately not getting to the root of the problems.

At my doctor appt. last week the doctor told me they have been unsuccessful in getting to the bottom of things and all tests or treatments they've tried have failed. He now believes that mercury may be at the root of this...especially since I've stated at almost all my appts. that I got sick after the dental work. He decided to refer me to a specialist who will administer the DMPS challenge. Its a test that should only be given by a specialist and can be hazardous if not done correctly.

I have an appt. to see this doctor on Monday. I'm nervous and excited at the same time. Its been 4 years now and mercury has always been at the back of my mind. There is no way I could go from perfect health to this basically overnight...it happened very rapidly.

If the challenge comes back positive for toxicity they will chelate the mercury from my body the same way...with the DMPS....until the mercury is no longer showing up in my urine. Of all things...I never wanted mercury to be the reason for this. However at this point I'll be happy to find out once and for all and to start treatment and hopefully have my health restored.

I had told the dentist over 3 years ago that I believed I had been poisoned due to his ignorance about mercury. If it comes back positive I will be calling his office again. They need to know what I've gone through so that in the future they dont put someone else through something like this.

The worst part is that when he removed my amalgam he asked me what type of crowns I wanted....gold or porcelain? Well...who the heck wants gold in their mouth? I chose porcelain...he then proceeded to tell me that the porcelain were not very good, didnt last as long, werent durable, etc. He said the cost was the same but that gold was superior. Since the crowns were all the way in the back and not visible I agreed to the gold after he said all of this. If I had gotten the porcelain like I'd originally requested....I would probably still be healthy....if it turns out to be mercury toxicity I'm dealing with. I cant even tell you how many times this conversation has played out in my mind over the last 4 years.

I really have had alot of anger towards dentists since this occurred. In the future regardless of what the test results say....I will only see holistic dentists because they are the only ones who are aware of the dangers of amalgams and take it seriously. I remember when I did all my research that I read several times that of all professions....dentists have the highest suicide rate. They have high levels of mercury in their bodies due to unsafe practice and ignorance.

Well....I expect I'll have alot more to report in upcoming weeks. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for some answers.

Oh..its also a good thing that I've had my amalgams removed 2 years back. The DMPS cannot be administered under any circumstances if there is still amalgam in the patient. There is also a wait time between removal and chelation. I'm good to go since I got everything removed back then. Mercury will eventually leave the body on its own but it has a very long half-life....we're talking maybe 10-15 years after removing the amalgam. I'm not really wanting to wait another decade or more to get better. I also dont want anymore autoimmune diseases in the mean time.

Holy moly! I have to admit that sometimes I just skim over the scientificness stuff since my over taxed brain can't handle it most days, but I read every word of this post because it is so timely!!!!! I've been in dental h*ll the last few years, lol. I have so many amalgam filings and have 3 gold crowns. Last week I had a root canal and will need another crown for that tooth. I was really considering asking for procelain even though it's the last molar on the top in the back. I asked for porcelain on one of my other crowns and got the same speech from my dentist as you did. At this point I don't care if they don't last as long.

I AM CONVINCED many of my problems are due to the amount of amalgam/metal in my mouth. I am so sensitive to metals...I've stated on another thread somewhere that I can't even wear 14kt gold earrings anymore...it started out that I could wear any kind of earring, even cheap metals, then I couldn't wear silver, and now gold. Your jaw problem sounds a lot like what's been happening to me, although I DO believe the TMJ diagnosis in my case because I also have the clicking when I open my mouth wide and my neck/jaw is always sore/tight.

I'll be interested if you get this all sorted out to know where you go...especially interested in the holistic dentist....it seems every time my dentist does something (not talking about normal cleaning through), I end up needing more work done and it usually results in a filling or a crown. I think I have at least 10 teeth that have fillings and/or crowns!

Hi Donna! Good to hear you are hanging in there with all that has been going on with your mouth. Has the pain improved any since the root canal?

Yes it has...I just have a very dull ache in the jaw and the neck is still quite sore and have a few headaches here and there, but the horrible shocking/shooting pain in the jaw and ear is gone thank goodness! I haven't had to take any pain medication since last Thursday.

Oh, how I remember those. I had mine done before finding out we were expecting Seth. I still have 4 teeth that are cracked. I'm thinking of having two pulled since they are the back molars. Not looking forward to having any more done and am out of money anyway.

I still want to get allergy testing done for the rest of the family too. Maybe someday.

I can tell you that in the midst of the worst pain, all I could think about was having all my teeth pulled, lol. Don't really want dentures, but gosh I'm tired of all the dental stuff.

[rinne]

yes I have leaky gut. I have not been eating meat or fish where as I used to often it always was something my body really needed- I can feel it stilll does but it hasen't been sitting right so I have been avioding it but I think I am gonna just start to eat and hope my body can acclimate to the changes.

Miamia, I have found making a broth with meat strengthening, I add in lots of onions and garlic and simmer it for a long time (and you could add carrots and celery...) and then I strain it and drink the broth. I give my dog the meat which by that point has little flavour anyways and it makes her very happy.

Rachel, excellent scientificness. I didn't know that there were dangers in having fillings changed. I hope this turns the corner for your health.

I can answer here if you like

Julie, I'd like.

Hello everyone.

[Rachel--24]

Rachel, excellent scientificness. I didn't know that there were dangers in having fillings changed. I hope this turns the corner for your health.

Thanks Rinne

Can you imagine if I recovered and was able to eat normally again?

OMG....I dont think I would ever take for granted even the most simple of meals. It might also take me a long while to actually shut up about food and how good it all tastes!

Lately my thing has been smores....I dont recall ever having had one and I've been telling people I wish I would have tried one back when I was healthy....how now I'll never *experience* a smores.

Both of my exes say that I DID have smores whenever we camped but I know for sure that I didnt...I only roasted marshmallows. I dont think I even really knew what a smores was....but now I do.

There are definately dangers in removing amalgams. Its even recommended that if you're suffering no health problems you're probably better off leaving them in then taking the risk of removing them. I had no idea about any of this at the time though. I just went in for a routine cleaning and the dentist wanted to replace 2 of the fillings saying that they were deteriorating. I was fine and in great health...really happy in my life....2 months later I was unable to function.

When the dentist is drilling the amalgam out all those vapors will enter your body unless the use proper equipment is used. They use a vaccuum-type thing to pull the vapors away from the patient and the dentist. Most dentists are ignorant and wont do this....mine didnt do anything to protect me...he didnt even use a "dam" to prevent debris from being swallowed. Really good dentists will also give an IV of Vitamin C before the removal to help the immune system deal with any mercury since its pretty much inevitable that some will be absorbed even with the saftey measures in place.

I dont think the removal alone would have caused such a dramatic decline in health for me though...I think it would have mainly been the galvanic reaction from the gold crowns and the amalgams. This would have caused ALOT more mercury to be released into my body. Way more than even the healthiest person can handle.

The dentist told me that galvanic reaction was just the same as when you lick a 9-volt battery and get a shock like sensation...but nothing harmful about it.

YEAH RIGHT!

I was having major problems with my health and was constantly having trouble with excess saliva. I had a metalic taste in my mouth and I could also sometimes feel a sensation around one of the crowns....like a gas was coming out from the tooth...it would tatse funny and the area around the tooth was constantly warm.

I dont think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that having a constant reaction that feels like when you lick a 9-volt battery is NOT ok!! I had them in for a whole year and had to keep constantly going back to the dentist withDonna, so many problems and pain....I ended up losing one of the teeth altogether.

Donna,

Are any of your gold crowns in contact with your amalgams?? I definately think this could be a major problem for you....especially if you started getting sick after some of them were put in. For me...all my life I had 4 amalgam....2 on top...two on the bottom. All on the exact same teeth...one on each side...upper and lowers. So when he took out my upper amalgams and put in the crowns....I ended up having 2 gold crowns directly above 2 silver amalgams. Both sides were affected but I had more problems on one side than the other...the side where I could sense a gas leaking out was where I had the most problems...thats also the tooth I ended up losing.

Same as you I cant wear any jewelery anymore. I sometimes have trouble with my 14kt gold earrings that I've tolerated my entire life. Before I got sick I could wear other jewelery like anklets, bracelets, etc...they didnt have to be gold but now I cant wear anything like that for even a day w/out getting a rash. I wore an anklet for one day a week and a half ago and I still have a rash from it.

All of these sensitivities have to be related to the toxic burden my body is probably dealing with. I guess I'll find out soon enough. The holistic dentist I had seen 2 years ago retired shortly after. He was very good...but also very old. He sold his practice and I dont know of any other knowledgeable dentists like that in the area but I could certainly find out...probably from the doctor I'll see on Monday.

Oh yeah....I did see another dentist who was somewhat knowledgeable too... he was the one the healthnow doc sent me to. I only saw him once and cant even remember where he was located.

[dlp252]

Donna,

Are any of your gold crowns in contact with your amalgams?? I definately think this could be a major problem for you....especially if you started getting sick after some of them were put in. For me...all my life I had 4 amalgam....2 on top...two on the bottom. All on the exact same teeth...one on each side...upper and lowers. So when he took out my upper amalgams and put in the crowns....I ended up having 2 gold crowns directly above 2 silver amalgams. Both sides were affected but I had more problems on one side than the other...the side where I could sense a gas leaking out was where I had the most problems...thats also the tooth I ended up losing.

Same as you I cant wear any jewelery anymore. I sometimes have trouble with my 14kt gold earrings that I've tolerated my entire life. Before I got sick I could wear other jewelery like anklets, bracelets, etc...they didnt have to be gold but now I cant wear anything like that for even a day w/out getting a rash. I wore an anklet for one day a week and a half ago and I still have a rash from it.

All of these sensitivities have to be related to the toxic burden my body is probably dealing with. I guess I'll find out soon enough. The holistic dentist I had seen 2 years ago retired shortly after. He was very good...but also very old. He sold his practice and I dont know of any other knowledgeable dentists like that in the area but I could certainly find out...probably from the doctor I'll see on Monday.

Oh yeah....I did see another dentist who was somewhat knowledgeable too... he was the one the healthnow doc sent me to. I only saw him once and cant even remember where he was located.

Yep, my gold crowns are all right next to teeth with amalgam fillings. On the left side, I also feel weird things where the crown is on the bottom...in fact there is a really sore spot in the gum (beside the tooth, not under it as is normal). My dentist didn't know what that could be...um, I think I'm getting a clearer picture after your post, lol. I often have a metallic taste in my mouth!

I can still wear bracelets and anklets, but only if it's not hot outside...if it's hot, then it seems to bother me and I can't wear any jewelry.

I searched for holistic dentist on Yahoo! and the holistic dental association came up....I did a search and found a few in our area (but obviously don't have any idea how good any of them are)...there is one who is actually covered under my insurance, so I may check her out, especially if my dentist doesn't want to put in a porcelain crown...she's in Sunnyvale on South Mary Ave...I see now that they have a website www.asunnyvaledentist.com which I'll go check out in a minute. The website for the org is: Open Original Shared Link

[CarlaB]

I had all my amalgam fillings removed about 15 years ago. The dentist took all the precautions and even had a supplement program (he did not sell the supplements). If I was late taking some of the supplements, I would feel bad. I felt like I had the flu the first few days. I was having health problems back then, and it seemed to have helped some. This guy is one of those no mercury dentists.

I'm glad you're finally onto something.