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[Rachel--24]

I actually plan on getting back a lot more than 90%! Some people on Lymenet mention being 99.9%. So, WE are coming back MORE than 90%!!

Carla...I plan on more than 90% too.

You're right...diet and lifestyle have alot to do with how much you recover.

I think the point my Dr. was making is that I wont be 100%....and I cant expect to be exactly how I was before this happened. He said not 100% but somewhere close to it.

He wasnt limiting my recovery to 90%....but he wasnt saying I would recover 100% either....he said I wont be brand new again.

He said he suspects I'd be happy with 90% recovery...and if I think about it...I'm sure I'd be very happy with 90% but I do think I can do even better.

[dlp252]

I assume you have bioSET this morning? I'll be waiting for your update.

Yep, and it was interesting! We did bacteria today. She filtered(??) using the bacteria I reacted to in my original test and I reacted to all of them again. They were affecting my organs... One of the bacteria that came up was Staph! So Anna has me on two detox thing for staph! My energy was so low...only got up as high as 17 and then it kept dropping. She tried a couple of things, and the energy only got to 12 but it didn't drop, so she was able to treat me.

The good news is that the results of the saliva test I did came back and my thyroid is normal, and the H.Pylori looks to be gone...I'm still waiting for the stool test results from the HN doctors though.

Also coming up again this week was insect/bug bite. I remarked that that has come up several times and told her that I originally thought I might have Lyme because I have so many of the symptoms but that it didn't come up when Anna tested me. I also told her about the burning skin sensation that I have...I have it right now on my arm...feels like a sunburn, but there is no redness or marks of any kind. So she went to talk to Anna and Anna said she is going to retest me for Lyme! She also said the burning skin sounds like "skin neuralgia" and that can be associated with Lyme, but it can also be associated with other things...they'll double check.

I met the same lady I met last week...we exchanged email addresses, lol. She really likes talking to me about the candida stuff. Her husband doesn't really believe in the BioSET stuff, but I think she said they are already seeing improvements so he should come around soon.

I have had this for so long, I don't have any idea what 100% would be like! I'm sure I'll THINK I'm 100% even if I'm not ... after all, I've had it for over 30 years, so 90% would be better than I've ever felt!

Yep, I think 90% would seem like heaven!!!

in the studies that I've seen testing the hair of kids for mercury after getting vaccinations, kids who aren't being diagnosed with autism average around 3.5 (I forget the unit) whereas the kids with autism average around 0.5... there was also a correlation found between the lower the mercury content in hair with the more severe the case of autism... apparently, most other metals show up high in the hair but because of the binding nature of mercury, it is low in kids who aren't able to detox it...

as for doing a blood test of mercury, I think it would only show up high for mercury if done right after a vaccination... otherwise, from what I understand a blood test for mercury toxicity is about as useful as testing someone's BAC a week after they drank

Yep, this is what I've been reading as well.

Donna...you need something that pulls mercury out of the tissue but also binds with it so that it can be excreted. Just mobilzing it is not effective and can cause more damage. Cliantro mobilizes mercury but does not bind with it and allow for it to be excreted safely. Cilantro is not a good choice on its own and will just redistribute mercury without a binder to safely remove the mercury.

The NDF I'm taking has both cilantro and chlorella...there's something different about the NDF though...its not regular chlorrela in the NDF...it somehow is more capable of binding with the mercury and removing it....but the pathway needs to be working or you can get sick. You can get sick with anything if things arent working right in your body. The chlorella in NDF is broken down so that it gets to places where other chlorella does not...thats my understanding anyway.

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Some Dr.'s will treat everyone the same and its just not the case....some people can get really injured if things arent done right.

I havent had ice cream in 24 hours.

Congratulations on the ice cream milestone! Oh, I like the sound of the NDF! Anna gave me some chlorella to take, but I have to admit I haven't been taking it! It tastes pretty bad, lol. Its kind of salty, so I tried it hot one day like a broth, but I just couldn't hang with it. I sometimes put it in my pectasol shake--the pectasol is what Dr. Carrie has me taking to bind with the mercury--it's fiber, so I'm sure that happens in the bowel...I like the sound of the NDF better! Anyway, I just tried some of the chlorella in my vitamin c and it wasn't bad, so that's how I'll take it. I also like what your doctor is doing so I may end up seeing him in the end.

[Rachel--24]

Also coming up again this week was insect/bug bite. I remarked that that has come up several times and told her that I originally thought I might have Lyme because I have so many of the symptoms but that it didn't come up when Anna tested me. I also told her about the burning skin sensation that I have...I have it right now on my arm...feels like a sunburn, but there is no redness or marks of any kind. So she went to talk to Anna and Anna said she is going to retest me for Lyme! She also said the burning skin sounds like "skin neuralgia" and that can be associated with Lyme, but it can also be associated with other things...they'll double check.

Donna, the skin burning can be from mercury too.

When I posted that super long post from Dr. Klinghardt speech about mercury....that was what he had said about mercury.....that it can cause burning.

I have burning too...its mostly on my face, shoulders and upper arms.

I wonder whats up with the bug bite thing??

I never see that one show up for me.

I think it will be reassuring to you to get the Lyme more thoroughly checked so that you are not always wondering. I'm glad shes going to recheck it for you.

I think the burning can come from any toxins which are present in large amounts or that the body has touble eliminating. Mercury, lyme, aspartame, msg, other metals.....they can all cause a burning feeling on the skin.

[Rachel--24]

More about mercury and its affects on the body..

How Mercury Disrupts the Body

Once it has leached from the dental fillings and infiltrated the body, mercury becomes a neurotoxin, says Dr. Klinghardt. Strangely, a neurotoxin is a substance the nerve cells voluntarily absorb, even though it is poisonous.

They do this out of curiosity, Dr. Klinghardt explains. Nerve endings in the peripheral nervous system constantly scan their environment, engulfing foreign particles and bringing them across the cell membrane for inspection. “The substances may then travel all the way up from the foot to the spinal cord and get presented to the nerve cells there.” If the substance is judged to be harmful, the body tries to produce an antitoxin to neutralize it and eliminate it from the body.

But there are two problems here when it comes to mercury, Dr. Klinghardt cautions. “As it travels up in the nerve, it destroys the body

[Rachel--24]

I found this having to do with cost effectiveness...

Which is more costly....NDF vs. DMPS

Cost Effectiveness / Compared to DMPS

It was recently determined by an independent, comparative 24-hour urine tests conducted by Dr. J. Wright via Doctors Data that a single, 2-dropper dose of NDF pulled out 20% as much metals as an IV dose of DMPS on the same patient.

Since NDF can be taken daily, and DMPS only once a month (per the protocol presented by Drs. Klinghart and Mercola), this means that up to 920% (9.2 times) more metal can be excreted per month using 2 droppers of NDF twice a day (maximum dose) without the side effects and mineral deficiencies associated with DMPS.

Since there is a linear relationship between amount of the dose and percentage increase in excreted metals, 6 drops twice a day would take out about 107%, or roughly the same amount of metals per month as DMPS, making NDF very cost effective, especially when you consider that very little additional supplementation is required while using NDF. Suggested retail is now $150 for a one-month supply, equal to the cost and efficiency of one DMPS IV push.

[NoGluGirl]

Carla, I hope this herx isn't too brutal. Hope you feel better soon!

Rachel, I thought you gave the ice cream up ? That sucks about eating one food. I hope the NDF works for you. It seems that you could figure out how much your body can tolerate. At least you know it's somewhere between what your doctor and the BioSET people are telling you. I don't get how you take 1/2 a drop ?

My SIL met this older woman who seemed really happy. She asked her how she kept so upbeat. The woman said that as long as she's at 80% that she feels like she's doing pretty good. Now my SIL as adopted this attitude, which I really admire! So, here's to 80% ! And 90% is even better than that!

I did the whole gluten panel at Enterolab for $380, including the genetic testing. It's helpful to know if you have one of the celiac genes, but you can be celiac without the two genes that are typically recognized as being associated with celiac disease, DQ2 and DQ8. I'm including a link to a website that talks about diagnostic testing. A endoscopy with biopsy is the "gold standard" to getting diagnosed as celiac, but it's kinda worthless if you have given up gluten. Same goes with the blood testing. The Enterolab testing will pick up antibodies after you have given up gluten, but don't wait too long. Eventually, you won't show any antibodies if you have been off gluten for four months or longer. That was the case with me, but it could have also had something to do with me being low on IgA. I have heard of people being diagnosed with celiac disease if they don't have the biopsy, but have some of the other blood markers.

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I saw Dr. F yesterday. Not much new to report. He just switched my herbs around. I no longer have to take the herbs for the bacterial dysbiosis , so let's hope they are gone for good! Plus, I'm eating homemade kefir now, and I hope the good biotics will defeat the bad biotics. I also was given some digestive enzymes made from the folks at BioSET for sugar/starch digestion. I think I'll get tested in other 3 to 4 weeks for pathogens to make sure everything is gone and I haven't picked up C. diff from DH. I think I'm at least at 80%, which is something to about!

Claire

Dear AndreaB, Donna, Rachel, and Claire,

Thanks for the info. We won't be able to do it this month, because they took out Dad's money for plain tickets on a business trip. $400 is obviously coach. You would think they would not make their salesmen pay for that themselves. We have to wait for them to be reimbursed. I have been gluten free since August. That worries me that the tests will not show up. As far as disability goes, it may be different where Rachel lives than here. I know that according to someone on the forum a while back told me Celiac is covered by Disability Act 504. I am going to check that out. I think I had an impaired immune system from the beginning. I spit up all the formulas they tried back when I was an infant. At three weeks, they had to put me on 2% milk. The had to do the same with my brother. To this day, I do not tolerate iron supplements. The formulas with iron made me the sickest. I found out my mother, uncle, and aunt all had to have the same thing done, because they did not tolerate formulas as infants either. It would most likely be on her side of the family. Dad's side may have something as well, though. You just never know! Also, Andrea, I hope your family is alright.

I was sorry to hear about all of the terrible things happening following the death of your father. Don't worry, he knows what others have done. They dead always know more than us! Is it just me or does that seem kind of unfair? We are the ones that need to know stuff! LOL! We are still alive! The universe certainly has a strange sense of humor at times.

Sincerely,

NoGluGirl

[AndreaB]

One of the bacteria that came up was Staph! So Anna has me on two detox thing for staph!

The good news is that the results of the saliva test I did came back and my thyroid is normal, and the H.Pylori looks to be gone...I'm still waiting for the stool test results from the HN doctors though.

Also coming up again this week was insect/bug bite. I remarked that that has come up several times and told her that I originally thought I might have Lyme because I have so many of the symptoms but that it didn't come up when Anna tested me. I also told her about the burning skin sensation that I have...I have it right now on my arm...feels like a sunburn, but there is no redness or marks of any kind. So she went to talk to Anna and Anna said she is going to retest me for Lyme! She also said the burning skin sounds like "skin neuralgia" and that can be associated with Lyme, but it can also be associated with other things...they'll double check.

Is Staph what is causing your sore throats?

Yay on the H Pylori!!!

Keep us posted on the lyme/insect/bug bite. I also read Rachel's post about other toxins and burning skin.

More about mercury and its affects on the body..

Another interesting article. Thanks.

[Rachel--24]

I tried the frozen veggies a couple weeks ago...as an alternative. I only started out with frozen peas and didnt notice any trouble so went and bought several bags of frozen veggies. I'm still limited with what I can have though...I dont do well with certain veggies anyway.

When I tried more peas I got mouth blisters.

I did buy a different brand the second time so I'm gonna try again and see what happens. I will stick with the first brand I tried.

Yes, I'm quoting myself.

I just looked and the bag of peas that caused mouth blisters also had salt.

I cant believe I would overlook such a thing. Salt is one of the things that I think causes me to get blisters...I'm not sure why though.

Anyways...now I am less afraid of the frozen veggies and am making another attempt. Frozen asparagus (salt free) is cooking right now.

I'm sooo happy if I can have some veggies. I'm actually a little sick of ice cream.

I estimate that since I started my ice cream binge I've had well over 150 pints of ice cream.

[Rachel--24]

That worries me that the tests will not show up. As far as disability goes, it may be different where Rachel lives than here. I know that according to someone on the forum a while back told me Celiac is covered by Disability Act 504. I am going to check that out.

NoGluGirl,

The tests will probably still detect antibodies...Enterolab says they can detect antibodies up to one year after eliminating gluten. I was off gluten for 4 months when I tested and came back positive.

Since the test doesnt diagnose Celiac I would be worried that you wont get a diagnosis based on the test results. Most Dr.'s will not accept Enterolab results.....they want positive blood and/or biopsy to make a celiac diagnosis.

[AndreaB]

Anyways...now I am less afraid of the frozen veggies and am making another attempt. Frozen asparagus (salt free) is cooking right now.

I'm sooo happy if I can have some veggies. I'm actually a little sick of ice cream.

I estimate that since I started my ice cream binge I've had well over 150 pints of ice cream.

Hope all goes well with the asparagus. I love asparagus. One of these days I need to challenge it.

You sick of ice cream! :o I didn't think that was possible.

That's a lot of ice cream!

Can you remind me what's up with cruciferous veggies? Seems like I'm borderline intolerant to cabbage, cauliflower and broccoli is just under. I don't remember what other crudiferous veggies are. Seth seems to have a problem with cauliflower, he may be borderline broccoli and hasn't had cabbage.

[Rachel--24]

Andrea,

My symptoms seem to get greatly aggitated when I eat stuff like broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, garlic, onions and eggs. I get alot of pressure in my head, eyes, ears, migraine....alot of pain and blurred vision.

I think its because they are all foods high in sulfur. I think I have so much freakin metals that the foods are causing me symptoms. I tried to eat garlic for candida but it didnt last long because I couldnt stand the symtpoms I was getting.

Foods high in sulfur can mobilize mercury.

Mobilization AND excretion are required for mercury detoxification. Consuming foods high in sulfur such as garlic, onions, beans, and eggs or supplemental sulfur in the form of MSM can help move mercury around but it is only bound loosely and caution is advised. There have been reported cases of reversible cataract development from individuals mobilizing mercury without excreting it.

So I think thats what happens to me when I eat all those foods.

[NoGluGirl]

NoGluGirl,

The tests will probably still detect antibodies...Enterolab says they can detect antibodies up to one year after eliminating gluten. I was off gluten for 4 months when I tested and came back positive.

Since the test doesnt diagnose Celiac I would be worried that you wont get a diagnosis based on the test results. Most Dr.'s will not accept Enterolab results.....they want positive blood and/or biopsy to make a celiac diagnosis.

Dear Rachel,

My doctor was the one who told me that the antibody tests can be wrong! She is the one that gave me the idea to test gluten. She wanted to use Doctor's Data to test for Candida and Parasites. I had negative blood work before (in 2000) as well as a negative biopsy. Of course, mind you that those morons up at IU Med also missed gallbladder disease with an entire team of doctors whose chief was head of gastroenterology and hepatology! Shocker, huh? I am glad you are able to eat some veggies now. Ice cream overload cannot be good either. There is probably a common element in all of them you do not tolerate, it just has not been identified.

Sincerely,

NoGluGirl

[CarlaB]

Hi everyone.

Forbes ran a horrible, biased article bashing Lyme doctors. It was one-sided, the author had made up his mind before even writing and made the facts fit his opinion. Apparently, we Lymies have made up this illness, it's all in our head ... psychosomatic ... we just THINK we are getting better, but we aren't really.

I could go on and on, but I'll just tell you that you can go to Lame Advertisement, flash discussion, medical questions, horrible Forbes article. The article is there, and so is the information on writing to Forbes. There is also a pre-written letter if you don't want to write your own.

Those of us who have Lyme need to support our LLMD's so they are there for us when we need them!

[dlp252]

Donna, the skin burning can be from mercury too.

When I posted that super long post from Dr. Klinghardt speech about mercury....that was what he had said about mercury.....that it can cause burning.

I have burning too...its mostly on my face, shoulders and upper arms.

I wonder whats up with the bug bite thing??

I never see that one show up for me.

I think it will be reassuring to you to get the Lyme more thoroughly checked so that you are not always wondering. I'm glad shes going to recheck it for you.

I think the burning can come from any toxins which are present in large amounts or that the body has touble eliminating. Mercury, lyme, aspartame, msg, other metals.....they can all cause a burning feeling on the skin.

I tend to think the burning has more to do with the mercury than lyme...I'm pretty confident that something would have shown up in the first test for lyme...still, if she needs to use a different "filter" or something, then that would be good because it IS still in the back of my mind that it might be possible to miss. I did remember reading that in the article about burning. In most articles they really never describe the burning enough for me to tell if it's the same thing...usually right after or right before they say burning they also qualify it with "like lightening" or something similar. Mine isn't like that, it's just a constant "sunburn" type feeling where the skin just feels irritated to the touch. I did a quick yahoo search after I got off here yesterday, and neuralgia does seem to describe the type I have. Here's the other thing...I saw a lot of connection to Shingles, which I did have a few years ago...around the late 90s I think.

Once it has leached from the dental fillings and infiltrated the body, mercury becomes a neurotoxin, says Dr. Klinghardt.

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In the brain, it tended to congregate in the hypothalamus, which regulates the sympathetic nervous system, and in the limbic system (associated with the brainstem), believed to be the organic seat of emotions.

While mercury levels slowly dissipate in a predictable amount of time from other body tissues and even from the teeth (in six weeks, its levels might be halved), mercury does not have a

[AndreaB]

And, fortunately the other one is also good for acne, boils and absesses.

It's a good thing we don't need to worry about those things while your on this med.

[Rachel--24]

Dear Rachel,

My doctor was the one who told me that the antibody tests can be wrong! She is the one that gave me the idea to test gluten.

NoGluGirl,

Enterolab doesnt actually test "gluten".....they test for antibodies in the stool. The same antibodies they look for in blood....only they look for them in stool. This method isnt generally accepted for making a Celiac diagnosis. Most people use Enterolab just to see if they are sensitive to gluten and what their genes are.

Since you're looking for a Celiac diagnosis to get disability....I just thought you should know that Enterolab cant give you an "official" diagnosis.

I am glad you are able to eat some veggies now. Ice cream overload cannot be good either. There is probably a common element in all of them you do not tolerate, it just has not been identified.

I cant eat fresh vegetables because of mold/fungus...I'm trying out the frozen veggies to see if its less of a problem.

I'm now 48 hours ice cream free....and no cravings.

[Rachel--24]

In most articles they really never describe the burning enough for me to tell if it's the same thing...usually right after or right before they say burning they also qualify it with "like lightening" or something similar. Mine isn't like that, it's just a constant "sunburn" type feeling where the skin just feels irritated to the touch.

Donna, I'm super positive my burning is caused by mercury. I never had it until I got poisoned.

I think at this point any neurotoxin will cause burning for me.....I had it real bad when I was chewing the gum w/ aspartame and I also get it from MSG.

I would also describe the burning as a "sunburn" type feeling....it feels very much like that. It also feels sort of like how it feels when you're in the snow and get a burning on your skin from the cold and wind...its kind of like that.

I dont only get the burning on my skin...I get it in my mouth too....that feels like when you've eaten something very hot and spicy and burnt the heck out of your mouth...only its totally random and I didnt eat anything spicy.

I've also experienced the "lightening" type feeling they describe....it used to be constant until I got everything taken out of my mouth. Its actually worse than the burning....it feels like sudden jolts of electricity....like you just start getting zapped in various places.

For me it usually happens on my face...its also pretty random.

About 4 years ago when all this was going on and the stuff was still in my mouth I thought it was Trigeminal Neuralgia....the neurologist thought so too but it wasnt. They say Trigeminal Neuralgia causes some of the worst pain ever imaginable....thats why I thought I had it ...my pain was really bad though.

Wow, I didn't realize either one was so expensive, lol, but glad to know that I'd get a whole month's supply for the same price as only ONE dose of DMPS. I think I'll try NDF if I can, lol.

If you try NDF make sure you're not doing it w/out a Dr. helping you......or at least be very very careful with it.

It costs $99 for one ounce.

The lady at the Dr.'s office couldnt get over the price...she kept thinking it was wrong. I told her its not wrong....thats what it really costs. Its the same price at BioSET. The lady was all worried about it...I put it in my bag and she was like "Dont break it....are you sure its ok in there...I can give you a seperate bag."

Anyway.....at the rate I'll proabably be going with it...I think it might last me half a year!

Even Denise was saying..."Are you sure you want NDF...its really expensive?"

Ummmm...yeah...I want whatever's gonna pull the freakin mercury out of my body and get me better so I can eat food again and live a normal life...thank you very much!!

I wasnt willing to pay high prices for other supplements (although none were quite this high ) when I wasnt really certain they were gonna do me any good. I didnt hesitate with the NDF though....I know its what I need.

Hum, on the frozen veggie thing, I bet it's the TYPE of salt they use that maybe you react to. Aren't you the one who reacts to sea salt though? I wouldn't think they'd use that for veggies, but maybe.

Yeah...apparantly I react to all salt. I do react to sea salt and that showed up in BioSET. On the bag of peas it just said "peas and salt".....normally I would not buy this but somehow it slipped by me.

Stupid salt!

Anyways...so far no blisters with the salt-free frozen veggies. Last night I had asparagus and tonight I had sugar snap peas.

Also no feeling of being poisoned by mold or mycotoxins.

Oh...check this out...NDF also binds with and removes mycotoxins, endotoxins and pesticides...as well as all the heavy metals!

[NoGluGirl]

NoGluGirl,

Enterolab doesnt actually test "gluten".....they test for antibodies in the stool. The same antibodies they look for in blood....only they look for them in stool. This method isnt generally accepted for making a Celiac diagnosis. Most people use Enterolab just to see if they are sensitive to gluten and what their genes are.

Since you're looking for a Celiac diagnosis to get disability....I just thought you should know that Enterolab cant give you an "official" diagnosis.

I cant eat fresh vegetables because of mold/fungus...I'm trying out the frozen veggies to see if its less of a problem.

I'm now 48 hours ice cream free....and no cravings.

Dear Rachel,

If that is the case, then the Enterolab may not help much. I doubt antibodies would show up in my stool, since they did not show in my blood before. However, that was several years ago, and testing may have improved since then. I see my doctor soon, I will see what she says and go from there as far as disability goes. Here in Indiana, getting disability is nearly impossible. What is worse, most people who need disability cannot get it. Those who do not need it, get it! A guy that used to be the preacher where we went to church cheated on his wife and got kicked out of the ministry, and the creep got disability! I am sorry, but not being able to keep your pants zipped is not a disability! That is such crap! I know two people in as bad shape as I am or worse and they cannot get it.

As far as the veggie mold issue goes, I am not surprised. It is everywhere. In the Candida Diet book, it says to be sure to not eat food if it is more than 24 hourse old. Even refrigeration does not slow down fungal growth much. Freezing the food is the only way. Mold can begin growing on food in the refrigerator in as little as 24 hours. That is why Candida patients always have to freeze their meals ahead of time. Otherwise, your symptoms will be aggravated.

Sincerely,

NoGluGirl

[Rachel--24]

Mold can begin growing on food in the refrigerator in as little as 24 hours. That is why Candida patients always have to freeze their meals ahead of time. Otherwise, your symptoms will be aggravated.

Yeah...I cant eat anything thats not totally fresh...no leftovers for me.

Its a rule on the candida diet...NO LEFTOVERS.

Stupid mold.

[AndreaB]

It costs $99 for one ounce.

The lady at the Dr.'s office couldnt get over the price...she kept thinking it was wrong. I told her its not wrong....thats what it really costs. Its the same price at BioSET. The lady was all worried about it...I put it in my bag and she was like "Dont break it....are you sure its ok in there...I can give you a seperate bag."

:lol: not the price but the offer to put it in a separate bag.

Anyways...so far no blisters with the salt-free frozen veggies. Last night I had asparagus and tonight I had sugar snap peas.

Also no feeling of being poisoned by mold or mycotoxins.

Oh...check this out...NDF also binds with and removes mycotoxins, endotoxins and pesticides...as well as all the heavy metals!

Woo Hoo on the veggies. That's great news!

Also great news with what the NDF binds with.

Question, question....

Seems I read somewhere that if you pull the mercury out of the body that the vaccines (probably the live ones) that were bound with the mercury would then be loosed. Is the idea to pull all the mercury out or most of it and what do you do with runaway viruses such as MMR?

[dlp252]

Donna, I'm super positive my burning is caused by mercury. I never had it until I got poisoned.

I think at this point any neurotoxin will cause burning for me.....I had it real bad when I was chewing the gum w/ aspartame and I also get it from MSG.

I would also describe the burning as a "sunburn" type feeling....it feels very much like that. It also feels sort of like how it feels when you're in the snow and get a burning on your skin from the cold and wind...its kind of like that.

Yep, it's probably from the mercury too...I think I was perfectly healthy until I started having all my dental work redone.

I dont only get the burning on my skin...I get it in my mouth too....that feels like when you've eaten something very hot and spicy and burnt the heck out of your mouth...only its totally random and I didnt eat anything spicy.

I haven't had it anywhere yet except my arms, back and abdomen...I may have had it slightly on my legs a couple of times, but can't say for sure anymore.

I've also experienced the "lightening" type feeling they describe....it used to be constant until I got everything taken out of my mouth. Its actually worse than the burning....it feels like sudden jolts of electricity....like you just start getting zapped in various places.

For me it usually happens on my face...its also pretty random.

I *DO* get the lightening thing once in a while too, but not often thankfully. I also get *ice pick* headaches...a really sudden extremely painful stabbing in my head...not like lightening exactly, but more like someone stabbing me with an ice pick...I wonder if that's the same thing? I had one last 15 minutes once...scared me to death...usually they only last a few seconds.

If you try NDF make sure you're not doing it w/out a Dr. helping you......or at least be very very careful with it.

It costs $99 for one ounce.

The lady at the Dr.'s office couldnt get over the price...she kept thinking it was wrong. I told her its not wrong....thats what it really costs. Its the same price at BioSET. The lady was all worried about it...I put it in my bag and she was like "Dont break it....are you sure its ok in there...I can give you a seperate bag."

I've about decided I'm not going to do anything with the mercury without some professional help, lol. Wow, $99 for an ounce, lol. I might bring a padded pouch to carry it home in, lol. I had to throw out the chlorella I had...I didn't notice that it said to use it within 7 days of opening, and it'd been open in the fridge for a few weeks now. So, I'll pick up some more on Saturday.

Ummmm...yeah...I want whatever's gonna pull the freakin mercury out of my body and get me better so I can eat food again and live a normal life...thank you very much!!

No kidding, lol.

Anyways...so far no blisters with the salt-free frozen veggies. Last night I had asparagus and tonight I had sugar snap peas.

Also no feeling of being poisoned by mold or mycotoxins.

YAY!!

Oh...check this out...NDF also binds with and removes mycotoxins, endotoxins and pesticides...as well as all the heavy metals!

I'm sold.

Seems I read somewhere that if you pull the mercury out of the body that the vaccines (probably the live ones) that were bound with the mercury would then be loosed. Is the idea to pull all the mercury out or most of it and what do you do with runaway viruses such as MMR?

Gosh I don't know, but wow, something else to worry about, lol.

[Rachel--24]

Seems I read somewhere that if you pull the mercury out of the body that the vaccines (probably the live ones) that were bound with the mercury would then be loosed. Is the idea to pull all the mercury out or most of it and what do you do with runaway viruses such as MMR?

Hmmmm....I'm scratching my head on that one??

In all my research I've never seen anything about that. Do the vacs stay bound with mercury??

I've only read about things like yeast and bacteria binding with the mercury...possibly as some type of defense mechanism by the immune system....to prevent mercury from destroying the cells.....or just because they have some afintity for one another. I dunno the real reason?

I guess if the there is "live" virus in the vac it could bind with the mercury the same as other stuff does...I think I will have to ask Anna or someone who might know....cuz I certainly dont have a clue.

Personally, I'm not concerned about it in my own situation but I will try to find out more. I think it is more important to get the mercury out and other things can be dealt with later if they show up. I think the exception would be Lyme. This is obviously something that cant be "left" behind once mercury is removed.....if Lyme were to show up as my primary issue I think we would be dealing with that first....before the mercury.

[Rachel--24]

I've about decided I'm not going to do anything with the mercury without some professional help,

I'm glad to hear that.

[Rachel--24]

OK...so my first day of taking NDF was on Saturday and it turned out to be a really crappy day for me.

I didnt think it was the NDF but I couldnt be positive.

I seem to get symptoms when I eat too much of the veggie broth. I dont get the "allergic" type symptoms like I would get from most foods...its more like what I would get if I ate alot of garlic or other sulfur foods....like its moving mercury around or something.

I'm ok with the broth if I just have one portion and not everyday.

On Saturday I had my first dose of NDF wich was only supposed to be 1/2 a drop but was more like almost a full drop. I drank too much of the water it was in.

After that I had 2 big bowls of the broth. I ended up with a migraine type headache, blurred vision and major brainfog. I looked at the box and the broth has garlic, onions and leeks. I think this...on top of the chelator was just too much for me.

When I eat too much of foods high in sulfur I end up feeling a strong "pull" in various places in my head but mostly in my gums....right where my amalgams used to be.

I've read that people going through chelation can feel the mercury being pulled from their brain and things like this....but I can feel a pull just from eating too many sulfur foods.

I'm going to ask Anna about this too....if those foods could be tugging at the mercury?? I've been thinking about it for a long time but I figured it was something else causing the reaction...not that the foods were pulling mercury.

My bone grew out quite a bit where the dentist had placed my gold crowns. It happened in a very short time...the bone on the side of my upper gums is really huge now whereas it didnt protrude at all prior to the crowns being put in. This was another thing that I kept pointing out to the dentist....why would something like that happen so suddenly??

This is the exact area of my gums where I feel the strongest pull....I wonder if this means there is mercury stored there??

I stayed home from work today because I felt dizzy and nauseus when I woke up......I actually sweated alot last night which hasnt happened in a long time. I took it as a good sign though....especially since I didnt eat anything different.....except the frozen sugar snap peas.

I think it may have something to do with me not eating ice cream the past two days. It might be having an effect on yeast. Anyways,, I feel fine now....whatever it was passed.

I took my NDF this morning and feel perfectly fine...I'n not feeling what I went through on Saturday so that confirms my thoughts about eating too much broth. It also upsets my stomach and I always feel naseus the next morning after eating broth. Maybe this time it took longer to get nauseus??

I dunno but I'm home from work and thankfully feeling pretty good. I probably couldve went in this morning but I think I was a little scared the NDF might give me another bad day...so I opted to be safe than sorry. Now I know its probably best to avoid the sulfur foods even moreso now that I'm on NDF.

[AndreaB]

Rachel,

Wow! Saturday sounds purely miserable for you. I'm glad the NDF didn't cause problems today.

So are you going off the broth or just going to eat it on days you don't have the NDF?

I'll try and find the info I read about the mercury and vaccines. I have well over 100 pages of vaccine stuff saved over (granted some of it probably has the same info), plus I have blaylock's stuff and mercola may have said something. Of course I may have read it somewhere else.