Omg...i Might Be On To Something

[Mtndog]

I went to see my gyn/doc today. I've gone to the same guy for about 17 years. Last year I told him about gluten, how I felt better off it, but all my tests came back negative. He said to quit looking for clinical proof as dietary response WAS clinical proof.

Anyway, I had to tell him about the Lyme because he needed to know what medications I was on (because of why I was there). He was totally anti-lyme. He told me the tests weren't perfect. I told him that the test was VERY positive, I had most of the symptoms, and I'm responding to treatment ...He then told me he was sure I could find someone locally to treat me, that anyone treating only Lyme is suspicious and could be running a scam. I told him I didn't care, I was getting better and that's all that mattered.

I thought it was odd that he finds a Lyme specialist suspicious ... after all, he's a specialist, too ... should I also find him suspicious? What about an oncologist? What about a dermatologist? Or an orthodontist? Can every health complaint have specialists EXCEPT Lyme?

but it was disturbing after all these years that he thought I was so ignorant, especially after his positive response to being gluten-free.

Carla- Glad you're OK. Maybe you should show your OB/GYN this article:Open Original Shared Link

I got it from Laura and it's going to be published in a prestigious peer-reviewed medical journal Clinical Infectious Diseases (CID). And then tell him to STHU (shut the heck up )

I'm SURE that there probably doctors out there that are a scam but I think most people come by their LLMD through others who have experience or fairly reliable sources.

Ask him if he would bring his wife to a dentist to give birth?

[tom]

Yeah Rachel I do get a head thing from the magnesium citrate, more sensitive to lights and noise and head pressure. I feel that it can be a detox agent of some sort too? .... . ..

.... . . To drink something different than water and lukewarm chicken broth would be great.

I'd get those symptoms from *feeding* the critters. Their output gets in bloodstream.

Homemade chicken broth?

Oh and Chapter 3 is Titled: Mr. Mosquito Hates Mercury!

LOL

A singalong!

|| Everybody chantez avec nous!! :|

"Theerrrrre's a skeeter on my . . . ."

I have both a brother and nephew named Peter.

Ugh the heat. 7pm in Phx and still 103.

[tabasco32]

Guys right now I am eating a prune.

p.s. Istill think citric acid is a mold.

[tom]

1st off, I don't really miss much but I used to think that I'd want Lou Malnati's Chicago Pizza on my deathbed. Maybe Gino's East or Uno in a pinch.

Annnnnd if I'm forced at gunpoint (might take someone also pointing them at family) to guinea pig an anti-gluten pill (not in placebo group of course), I'd go for a fastfood double cheeseburger.

I told her I'd tell her if she'd give me a free Big Mac. I got the free Big Mac.

I think I said it right, as soon as I read that. There's a rhythm to it.

1st time was in <8sec for a free one in Appleton WI. hmm '73? 70?

I have no other memories of Appleton.

The 1st McD's Ray Kroc opened is just a few miles from where I grew up, and in the same town as the one I worked at when I was 15. I actually quit on my 16th bday.

[tom]

Re: Frico

It can also be done in the oven on parchment paper, I've made crackers with asiago that way,

I have heard that good teflon can be used on medium heat but I think the consensus here is that it is evil.

Yes!!

Asiago!!

That's what tv Giada used and what I bought and used.

And yup - it ends up as a cracker. (Hehe "as a cracker" makes that a minor typo away from a$$cracker LOL )

Teflon - I've seen the fumes when I mistakenly left a saute pan on High heat.

Nasty. But I think the chemical bond is easily strong enough to deal w/ medium.

And the oven idea sounds great.

And I bet the Fricos turn out great at MedLow too.

[tom]

Hello artists, art fans & anyone w/ artist-envy !!!

Supposed don't-miss PBS series starts tonight!

From Today's SJ Merc News:

In his past work for PBS (which has included "A History of Britain"), writer-scholar Simon Schama has managed to make some deeply complex subjects into fascinating television. He does so again with "Power of Art," an eight-episode series focusing on the masterpieces that were the turning points in the careers of great artists. Tonight, Schama tackles Vincent Van Gogh and his "Wheatfield of Crows" (9 p.m., Ch. 9) and Pablo Picasso and "Guernica" (10 p.m.) In coming weeks, there will be installments on Michelangelo, Rembrandt, Jacques-Louis David and Mark Rothko. Schama not only provides thoughtful commentary and context but also the passion of a true art lover.

[CarlaB]

I have heard that good teflon can be used on medium heat but I think the consensus here is that it is evil.

If it gets too hot, then it puts off fumes that can kill a bird ... this is something pet bird owners are told (or else they kill their bird by accident ). I even have a "non-teflon" iron.

If it puts off enough fumes to kill a bird when too hot, I still wouldn't want my food on it at proper temps ... but you are correct, it's only "supposed" to be a problem when it's too hot.

That is too bad about the house. How unfortunate you did not get it. So what do you plan on doing now? Is there another property you are interested in? Maybe something else will come along.

This was a potential investment property. It's across the street from our house, so we thought it would be good timing to buy it and use the kitchen for a few weeks while ours was being remodeled. Then we'd either rent it out or sell it. Probably rent it out, they're doing a lot of work in this area, which should help property values. Houses around here are starting to go commercial, so it would appreciate in value.

I'm quite sure that the people who bought it will be listing it ... they buy the majority of the forclosures every month ... and since they are willing to pay over market for them, it's evident that they represent the bank (we already know they're attorneys).

Carla- Glad you're OK. Maybe you should show your OB/GYN this article:Open Original Shared Link

I thought of that. I don't have his email address though ... and I don't think it's worth the argument. If he were a doctor that might come across Lyme, I might, but since he's dealing with gyn issues and delivering babies, it's not worth the trouble.

He probably does think I'm a kook ... I have never liked taking drugs ... he knows that. He thinks I live in the dark ages because of it ... I think they are so over-prescribed and make us more toxic, which is all I need. I went on my current medication very thoughtfully for that reason ... for me the cost was worth the benefit for the drugs I'm on.

He was going to prescribe me doxycycline for the inflammation. With no tests to see what's wrong. I don't think he's entirely on the wrong track ... he says that being on antibiotics changes the balance of the system and that could cause the inflammation. He decided not to when I told him I just got off it. He said to take Advil every day, twice daily for ten days.

I have a phone consult tomorrow, I'll talk to the PA about it ... I think the gyn is correct, but I think fixing the problem is beyond his expertise since it's a Lyme issue.

The good news is that he said he saw NO evidence of any candida problems.

I'd get those symptoms from *feeding* the critters. Ugh the heat. 7pm in Phx and still 103.

96 here ... we don't usually get this hot this early.

1st off, I don't really miss much but I used to think I think I said it right, as soon as I read that. There's a rhythm to it.

1st time was in <8sec for a free one in Appleton WI. hmm '73? 70?

I have no other memories of Appleton.

LOL, mine happened about two years ago.

[tom]

Guys right now I am eating a prune.

p.s. Istill think citric acid is a mold.

It's a 'comparing quince & pears' thing.

Naturally occuring citric acid isn't like the food industry's mass production industrially-produced citric acid.

As long as the "not mold" side sticks to inside citrus and u stick to ingredient on a list, you're both right.

I did a lot of research when my ND said "no citric acid, but use lemons in place of a zillion things".

<tom loves lemons now and is down to only one>

Sure wish the

button worked on this phone. I tried I swear.

[CarlaB]

This is harder to comment on than I thought it would be!

If you can type what I quoted ... can you also type the ending quote symbol?

[Rachel--24]

Something else online I found out, hum?

Puneet asks about citric acid allergy.

No, citric acid is not a mold. It is produced by fruit to

protect the fruit from mold.

One thing I've learned is to never takes someones word for anything. Always do the research yourself. Everything I've read indicates that citric acid nowadays comes from mold.

Citric acid was originally discovered in fruits...but thats not where it comes from today.

In 1893, C. Wehmer discovered that Penicillium mold could produce citric acid from sugar. However, microbial production of citric acid did not become industrially important until World War I disrupted Italian citrus exports. In 1917, the American food chemist James Currie discovered that certain strains of the mold Aspergillus niger could be efficient citric acid producers, and Pfizer began industrial-level production using this technique two years later.

In this production technique, which is still the major industrial route to citric acid used today, cultures of Aspergillus niger are fed on sucrose to produce citric acid. After the mold is filtered out of the resulting solution, citric acid is isolated by precipitating it with lime (calcium hydroxide) to yield calcium citrate salt, from which citric acid is regenerated by treatment with sulfuric acid.

PRODUCTS OF ASPERGILLUS FERMENTATION:

CITRIC ACID (A VERY COMMON FOOD ADDITIVE; NOT DERIVED FROM CITRUS FRUIT)

Today, essentially all of the commercial citric acid is produced by fermentation. Processes employed are surface or submerged fermentation by mold (Aspergillus niger) and submerged fermentation by yeast (Candida guilliermondii, C. lipolytica), using a variety of substrates including sucrose, molasses, corn syrup, enzyme-treated starch, and normal paraffins.

You can find out anything by researching online. I never take someones word for anything w/out doing the research to back it up. The answers are out there....you cant always trust what people write on message boards or on their own pages. I wouldnt want someone to take my word for anything I post....which is why I try to always use quotes like this.

The fact is that when you see the words "citric acid" listed in the ingredients.....nowadays its coming from mold....not citrus.

[Rachel--24]

Yes, I used to have allergic symptoms similar to some you

list, especially the sore throat after drinking fruit juices.

I did not have asthma, but I did get sore throat and sores in

my mouth immediately after eating fresh fruit or fruit juices.

Yes, I used to think that I was allergic to citrus.

Something else I found out

Then, I found a dentist who told me that the sores in my mouth

could be related to my fillings, which were silver-mercury

amalgam. When I consumed fruit, the citric acid would cause

mercury to leach out of the fillings to be absorbed by the body.

I had my mercury-silver fillings removed and replaced, and

could immediately consume huge amounts of citrus fruit and juice

without symptoms.

Many other allergic reactions were reduced by over 90%, and

I recovered the cost of amalgam replacement in saving money that

I used to spend on antihistamines.

When I read this guys story it sounds to me like he was reacting to yeast and molds...because he was mercury toxic. When you're toxic from mercury...your body will hold onto the molds and yeasts....which is why we are having all these problems with fungus right now. Like your Dr. said....the candida is there because of the mercury.

So yeah....this guy removed his fillings and could suddenly drink fruit juice again....fruit juice is LOADED with sugars, molds and yeast. Its unlikely that the juice was chelating mercury from his fillings.....much more likely that he was sensitive to molds until he got his fillings removed and the yeast burdened was lowered.

He reduced most of his allergic symptoms by removing mercury exposure. Mercury is a HUGE factor in candida overgrowth and allergies.

[tom]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????

Uhhh, I have to add <spaces> to show u tho, or it'll think it's coded.

[ / q u o t e]

Or do u mean can I type it w/out changing it? I'll try a couple ways.

And 'start quote' for this one is

[ q uote name=CarlaB' date='Jun 18 2007, 07:06 PM' post='316880]

The emoticons I put in above are the only fancier ones I know so far.

(Again w/ an added <spaces>)

is : wacko :

OOOH! OOOH! "The Closer" starting.

Awesome show. Kyra Sedgwick deserves every Emmy until show's run ends.

Bracketquote name='CarlaB' post='316880' date='Jun 18 2007, 07:06 PM']

[NoGluGirl]

Dear tom,

Yep, I sure have a notebook with me at all times! I need to really get a special one for that, though. This is important. Organizing information is essential! I am going to get some pretty pens for it, too! Maybe you did forget you forgot! He he!

Yes, ignorance is bliss. It is so fun to be happy and free without worry. I never have known that feeling. Maybe one day when I am rich and well, it will come! Until then, I can only fantasize. Stupid people are happy people, because they do not know about the bad things in the world!

Yes, those fricos sound good! They are not like a**crackers! Although, there are some similarities. I love to watch Giada as well. Her name is beautiful, too!

Dear Carla,

I am sorry to hear that property did not work out. However, you may get the chance to have something better. You know how that works! Real estate is something that is great to get into. You can make good money. I would not mind doing that myself.

That O.B. is a moron! He is one of those people that thinks he is God in a labcoat. What kind of weirdo decides they want to stare at women's va-jay-jays all day long for a living anyway? Sounds like a pervert to me! I would not trust him!

Dear Rachel,

I am freaked out by your bodacious scientificness! Mold is HEINOUS! Isn't Penicillium a toxic mold? I have done research on that stuff before. It and Stacchybotrys are the worst! The idea that citric acid comes from these is really frightening!

Dear Bev,

Thank you for posting this article. We all wondered about more media coverage regarding Lyme. It is so unfortunate what LLMDs have to deal with. There is so much opposition. Hopefully, the conventional medical community will wise up some day.

Sincerely,

Jin

[tabasco32]

Yeah Rachel your right. it wasn't the citric acid but getting his teeth out he started getting better. It makes sence now. I also just wondering if there is in fact citric acid in citrate and that's what causes me reactions or it's just a powerful laxative.

[Rachel--24]

Dear Rachel,

I am freaked out by your bodacious scientificness! Mold is HEINOUS! Isn't Penicillium a toxic mold?

I only know this stuff cuz I have to. Everything with citric acid in it messes me up.....or should I say "moldens" me.

I dont think the citric acid is coming from Penicillium anymore....I think thats where it was first discovered but its usually coming from aspergillus fermentation these days. Aspergillus is the mold I'm most sensitive to according to all the Bioset testing.

Anna had me tested for antibodies to aspergillus because the problem with aspergillus kept showing up so prominently. I was negative on all the aspergillus tests so I dont have an infection....just really sensitive to it. I used to smoke...Anna said cigs are loaded with aspergillus mold.

[Rachel--24]

Rachel- Thank you thank you thank you for the coffee enema info. It's doesn't always unclog the pipes but it always helps with the "toxic headache". I actually was able to take angus for a walk about an hour after because I was less concerned about my head exploding in public

Great news Bev. Makes me glad I wasnt too reluctant to post about this stuff.

It seems to have done wonders for both you and Carla.

Best thing is that now I'm not the ONLY one here doing it!

I'm realizing how important it is NOT to be constipated, especially with all the toxins and i am ready, willing and able to do whatever is necessary

Yup...I'm with you on that one! I'll take coffee my coffee any which way as long its gonna help me shed some of these toxins.

I'll also sit nekkid in a strange looking Spiceship everyday....whatever it takes.

[Rachel--24]

I am very excited to have the whells in motion. You know how i get antsy!!

Mia....2 more weeks!!! I cant wait for this...I'm glad the wheels are in motion too. Definately something to be excited about!

[tom]

Yes, ignorance is bliss. It is so fun to be happy and free without worry. I never have known that feeling. Maybe one day when I am rich and well, it will come! Until then, I can only fantasize.

I know I'm preachin' to the choir (all R'ville inhabitants, not just u Jin) but I'm gonna anyway.

U can do more than fantasize about the bliss/happiness that comes from being well. You're on your way.

Not 3hrs ago, I sent this email to my little brother's former wife (rightly remarried) and their older daughter.

"You will not believe how well I'm doing now. (Plz no jinx)

Since going off soy (finally I suppose) the happy me that was always hiding inside has emerged from the brain-fogged, minimum mildly-depressed me that even *I* thought was the Real Me. (Plz no jinx)

Even Pete would admit I haven't been like this since probably the early 70s, when we were kids."

So feel free to fantasize about the rich part, but u CAN make the "well" happen!!

(Hey I *did* start w/ a preachin to the choir warning)

Yes, those fricos sound good! They are not like a**crackers!

LMAO

I meant w/ the A and the S adjacent on the keybd "as a cracker" was one typo away. "Use it as s cracker"

<noooooo! cheeks hurt!> (not *those* ones!)

Dear Carla,

. . . . What kind of weirdo decides they want to stare at women's va-jay-jays all day long for a living anyway? Sounds like a pervert to me!

It needs to say "adult weirdo", imho.

Combine the right amount of time & a PRE-pubescent boy and his thoughts will turn to thoughts he'd never had before.

Show me a teenaged boy who never wanted to be a Playboy photographer when he grew up and I'll show u either a liar, an asexual, or a boy that wanted to be photographer for a similar, yet markedly different magazine.

[Rachel--24]

I don't really crave anything .... I hate eating.

This is why you're able to carla stuff!!!!!

.....and here I was thinking you were somehow able to show great "super human" restraint when faced with temptuous donuts and other sugar-laden treats. That you HAD to have some special abilities (that I clearly lack) to be able to make one donut last 3 weeks!

Heck.....all along its just cuz you're not hungry!

Well...see...now I know what my problem is. I'm just always hungry.

I'm the opposite of Carla.

I crave everything....I LOVE eating!

[Rachel--24]

Show me a teenaged boy who never wanted to be a Playboy photographer when he grew up and I'll show u either a liar, an asexual, or a boy that wanted to be photographer for a similar, yet markedly different magazine.

I wont argue this.....I'm sure you know what you're talking about here...

[tom]

I dont think the citric acid is coming from Penicillium anymore....I think thats where it was first discovered but its usually coming from aspergillus fermentation these days.

I'd say more than "usually". Even every single time it's on an ingred list, unless otherwise specified.

Which brings me to a question.

Has anyone heard of "naturally derived citric acid" as an ingred?

It's on a can of Muir Glen crushed tomatoes I'd planned to test by now but haven't.

[Rachel--24]

When I have to go number 2 I need reading material, always have. I got this book from my little brothers closet.

*RICKY RICOTTA'S*

GIANT ROBOT

VS. THE MUTANT MOSQUITOES FROM MERCURY

Go Figure.

Oh and Chapter 3 is Titled: Mr. Mosquito Hates Mercury!

Mutant mosquitos from mercury??

Judging from the way things have been going with the #2's lately I'm thinking you must be done with this book already.

So what happened....who won the battle?? .....the giant robot or the mutant mosquitos???

[tabasco32]

Rachel,

Well with the diarrhea and then not having to go for 2 days I only got to the chapter part in the beginging.

Moldens, huh still making fun for me huh?

[Rachel--24]

Has anyone heard of "naturally derived citric acid" as an ingred?

Actually this is a good question...one that I'm curious about myself.

That new OxyPowder has "naturally derived citric acid".

I've only tried one pill (friday night) and I reacted to it immediately.

Stupid head pressure.

I'm thinking either way its "naturally derived"....whether it comes from citrus or from aspergillus. Based on my reaction I'm leaning toward aspergillus but I'd like to know "for sure".

I'm gonna try the oxypowder again but I'm gonna wait till next week.

[Rachel--24]

Lisa....forgot to tell you my Dads mexican. I'm half latina .....and yup....I want some mexican sweet bread.....I want some carnitas....I want tortillas. I miss eating at the taqueria by my house.