Omg...i Might Be On To Something

[CarlaB]

So I started flute and kept getting dizzy!!

Too strange at first when used to the resistance of a reed.

Hubby bought an alto sax (never learned to play it). I picked it up a few times and it was easy ... as Tom knows, if you already can read music and play another instrument, it's not all that hard to learn a new one ... it was easy to blow in, had no trouble at all getting a good sound. The fingerings were also easy ... much like the fingerings on my Irish flute.

Not that playing the sax well is easy ... it's not ... it's easy to learn to play the sax ... poorly! LOL

Anyway, flute doesn't take all that much air, IF you know exactly where to blow it! When you're learning, you end up blowing much more than you need to to get some air to the right place.

Oddly enough, even when my babs symptoms were at my worst, I always felt somewhat better when playing my flute. I would breath deeply and correctly, so the air hunger wasn't so bad. People would ask all the time how I could barely talk without being out of breath, but I'd play flute just fine.

I never did get to where I felt I had consistent tone throughout the whole range. On a given day, either the highs or lows weren't what I wanted or would just be flat or sharp. <grimacing just hearing it in my head>

You should try piccolo if you think flute is bad with this!!! The picc changes from note to note. For example, the C is played with only two keys closed, whereas the D has all but those same two keys closed , anyway, this affects intonation in a major way on the picc! With a picc you just be sure you are hitting the long tones in tune. There are a lot of bad piccolo players! It's actually my preferred instrument ... how can a goofy little instrument like a picc NOT make you smile!?

This depends a lot on the flute! You also have to learn to roll out or in while playing to compensate as you go up and down to higher and lower notes. But, the newer models of flutes (particularly my newish Yamaha) are MUCH, MUCH better with this. They made adjustments on the way flutes were made a few years back.

bet a flute from a pawnshop could be a good bargain.

Only if you want one to hang on your wall!!! You MUST have a good flute. Cheap flutes are hard to play because you just never get a good sound out of them and you will have constant intonation problems. A sure way to get discouraged and quit is to get a bad flute.

[CarlaB]

Rachel, all your news about your doctor's appt. is very exciting.

My ob/gyn called my Lyme doc a possible scam, too. It's disheartening when you KNOW the treatment is working for you and someone who acts as if they're caring for you tries to discredit it entirely.

I actually greatly respect the ART and Bioset treatments you are going through. If I thought I was having problems detoxing, etc. I'd look for it myself. But it seems that I'm responding to the conventional Lyme treatment ... from a holistic LLMD who looks at the entire person, not JUST the Lyme ... so I haven't needed to.

I'm glad things went well at your parties yesterday.

It sounds to me like your ex can't take the pressure of you being sick ... sometimes people do care but just don't know what to say ... from your posts it sounds as if there's still some chemistry there ... seems that could be why it's so hard to chat with him and things become toxic ... some people can't be just friends. I could be wrong ... the internet doesn't allow for full-communication, but that is what it sounds like from here. That could be why he has so much trouble talking with you, too.

Men want to take care of problems .... fix them, make them go away. If he talks to you about it and can't fix it, that becomes a problem for him. I think that's why Adam tells me about a hundred times per week that I'm getting better. I think he needs to hear it as much as I do. He needs to know everything is being done to get this fixed.

With what you have and the treatments you are going through, your ex-es (friend and bf) would both think you were crazy if you told them what you were doing to get better. Spring it on them slowly!

[nikki-uk]

well I have just purchased three fresh new rolls of sod (for that little Stinker to eat - HARRUMPH! why do I still try?) and was going to put them in myslef, dig out the mangled munched-on stuff.....but I am clearly going to have to hire someone to dig and install for me......

I do not like this I do not I DO NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and hello to everyone. Happy Saturday.

Well sod that for a game of soldiers!!!

So yeah....my mom might fit into the reg. brainfog category but otherwise she's healthy.

That would be me too!!

You don't need a disease to find Tom's posts hard to read (do you?? )

[AndreaB]

That would be me too!!

You don't need a disease to find Tom's posts hard to read (do you?? )

That would be me too.

Rachel,

Thanks for posting about your appointment. I always like to know what's going on and how things are going.

I read earlier but was knee deep in sorting colors (there are still two I need to rego through since they are so close in color) for the next latch hook project and the keyboard wasn't real accessible. Got my mom's latch hook done and now I'll be starting my MIL's.

[Rachel--24]

Oooops...I made a mistake about my MB-12 shots.

For some reason its stuck in my head that I'm doing daily shots. I told Dr. S. I would be doing them every day. He said that seemed like alot too him ...was I *sure* thats what Dr. Amy had said??

I told him yeah...but then when I looked at my paperwork she'd actually written every 3 days.

I toltally dingo'd it again.....or maybe this is even a Dongo!

I was just watching some of the videos of the kids who've gotten better from MB12...and none of them are taking it everyday. I'm thinking "Why am I gonna be doing daily shots."

Umm...yeah.....serious brain problems here.

Hopefully I dont actually start giving myself the shots every day!

Anyways....I have no idea how much I'll benefit from the shots...if at all...but we'll see what happens. It seems like the kids that benefited pretty much had results within the first few shots.

[dlp252]

My toes are bright aqua blue...the bottle looked a lot more blue than it looks on my toes. Still a nice BRIGHT aqua blue.

I'm not sure I'm going to make it with no nut butter today...I'm craving it fiercely! That in itself should tell me something, but, well, I have a habit of not listening to myself.

Rachel - I have a rebounder and I LOVE it. I didn't buy it for the lymph drainage thing, but found out about that after I had it. They are a lot of fun, but you can get the same affect my jumping up and down (my knee joints were bad at the time which is why I bought the rebounder to begin with) on the floor, or bouncing on a ball or even the bed. I've pulled out the rebounder again and have been spending a few minutes every day just bouncing for the lymph drainage for about 2 weeks now. I figured it's one more way I can start the detox cycle.

Considering I went more than 3 years with nothing to show for it...I think we've come a long way in 10 months.

I think so too! And, I'd much rather take a while longer to make sure everything is done in the right time...I agree with him and Susan (at BioSET) who said people like me (or us) should be careful of not overwhelming our systems...too much too soon is bad.

So yeah...I dont know if its something similar with my ex or if theres just not a whole lot of concern there. Its hard to know...I'm usually pretty good at reading people...but not so much this time. Also...its probably too close to my heart to look at it very clearly. Everything's fuzzy to me.

Well, yeah, I think it's probably way too close to your heart. I can't believe it's a lack of concern on his part though, but he may just not ever be able to give you that communication you need.

Oh and for the person who felt I needed to "wake-up"...that my Dr.'s are scamming me, not really interested in getting me well...just in taking my $$.

Well....I'm not really *seeing* that.

Clearly my current Dr.'s have genuine concern for my health and have only been looking out for my best interest.

My Dr. said I dont really need to continue seeing him as often until I've made more progress so that he can contribute more to my treatment. Most things he can offer me are restricted from my protocol right now. Of course he *could* have me come in and see him if his concern were to make money...but no...his concern is for my health and what he can do to give me my life back.

I think this is where a Dr's priorities should always be. Unfortunately its not always the case....but I do take it personal when someone who's never met this man can go about "bashing" him in that way.

Yeah, I'm always shocked when people say stuff like that. I do know that there are definitely people out there to scam people like us, but to just lump ALL doctors into that category is just silly. Yeah, Scott is really after my money alright...NOT! Dr. S, was VERY mindful of my budget when we did the testing...I think he would have done a lot more on my first visit had I not mentioned finances. I KNOW the doctors at HN are probably NOT charging me what they could. Yeah, these integrated and alternative docs are just out to take our money. NOT!

He was really happy....said he thought that was never gonna end.

...

He said if I could eat garlic, onions, broccoli...the other cruciferous veggies....those would all be good too.

There was more stuff we talked about regarding the yeast and molds....will post more later.

Cool, I eat a LOT of broccoli! Keep forgetting to buy the fresh garlic though.

Looking forward to the mold info.

You don't need a disease to find Tom's posts hard to read (do you??)

Hey, it's not Tom's fault...it's that darned sidekick of his!

[CarlaB]

Hey, it's not Tom's fault...it's that darned sidekick of his!

No, he types just fine ... it's his wording and vocab.

[dlp252]

I told him yeah...but then when I looked at my paperwork she'd actually written every 3 days.

I toltally dingo'd it again.....or maybe this is even a Dongo!

I was just watching some of the videos of the kids who've gotten better from MB12...and none of them are taking it everyday. I'm thinking "Why am I gonna be doing daily shots."

Umm...yeah.....serious brain problems here.

Hopefully I dont actually start giving myself the shots every day!

Anyways....I have no idea how much I'll benefit from the shots...if at all...but we'll see what happens. It seems like the kids that benefited pretty much had results within the first few shots.

I've been taking MB-12 tablets for months now...I was buying it from Anna, but when I had my second appointment with Dr. S I bought one that he had at his office because I couldn't remember if Anna's was MB-12 or just regular B-12. I finally ran out of the one Anna gave me, and started taking this new one. Anna was having me take 2 tablets twice a day, so that's what I was taking of this new one...been taking it for a couple of weeks now. Just looked at the dosage instructions WRITTEN RIGHT ON THE BOTTLE by the nurse, and I'm supposed to take ONE TABLET ONCE PER DAY! Sheesh, wonder why I spend so much money on supplements.

[Rachel--24]

It sounds to me like your ex can't take the pressure of you being sick ... sometimes people do care but just don't know what to say ... from your posts it sounds as if there's still some chemistry there ... seems that could be why it's so hard to chat with him and things become toxic ... some people can't be just friends. I could be wrong ... the internet doesn't allow for full-communication, but that is what it sounds like from here. That could be why he has so much trouble talking with you, too.

Yeah...sometimes there is chemistry and affection but then without any real communication I just wonder if its all one-sided....another reason for my New Years resolution.

It feels like theres alot of tension at times....not like the normal friendships I have with my other exes. I doubt we could ever be friends like that.

If I wasnt sick I think things could be different but who knows....its not like I'm gonna get better overnight and be able to find out. We used to do alot of stuff together and now I cant do much at all...too many restrictions...I know my ex feels bad even eating around me because I cant eat the food. I dont mind sitting there but some people just feel bad inside no matter how many times I say its perfectly ok...I'm fine just chatting....I'm happy just spending time together.

And yeah....when I first got sick and wasnt getting better after my thyroid treatment....still not able to work, my ex was really frusterated with everything....yelling at the Dr.'s, stressing out at work cuz I was really sick at home, etc, etc. I wasnt even the same person...the whole thing sucked and I'm actually glad we broke-up....thats pretty much why I just wanna be by myself till I get over the hump and am less sensitive to things.

Its alot to deal with and I think I deal better only worrying about myself and not having to involve another person...and then feeling guilty for what they might be missing out on. I know I'm gonna get better so I guess romance is just totally on the back burner for now.

.

[CarlaB]

Rachel, I don't think it's one-sided. I think that's why there's little comminication from his side. Maybe you just didn't have the same chemistry with the other ex-es ... it hasn't sounded like you have from here.

The thing is, you are a different person now. You are not that weak person who didn't know what was wrong and was scared. You are strong, and you know you will get better.

Not that I'm saying you should go looking ... but having the attitude that anyone with you is missing out on life is wrong. I used to think that way. I would apologize to Adam (sometimes still do) that he's stuck with a sick person who can't do anything (this is usually a sign a herx is on its way).

He thinks that's silly of me. It's me that means something to him ... just being with him. You don't always have to be fun to be a valuable part of someone's life. Being is more important than doing. Don't sell yourself short ... you have a lot to offer. You might have been more "fun" back then, but now you have more depth of character ... that's even more important.

Let's put it this way, would your rather have someone who is capable of spending the whole evening dancing with you or someone who is capable of spending the whole evening talking with you? Sure, dancing is fun, but you can dance with anyone ...

[Rachel--24]

I've been taking MB-12 tablets for months now...I was buying it from Anna, but when I had my second appointment with Dr. S I bought one that he had at his office because I couldn't remember if Anna's was MB-12 or just regular B-12.

I've never taken the tablets. Dr. Amy had told me they dont get the same result with the orals that they do with the injections so I guess for what they're trying to achieve...and have been achieving with some of the autistic kids...has to come from the shot and not orals.

I'm not sure why but I'm sure I could find out from Anna. All I know is that it has to be the shots and it has to be Methyl B-12. It probably has something to do with absorption or how its utilized in the body??

I was watching some of the videos and its pretty amazing how for some kids the M-B12 shots dramatically changes everything. The thing is...the kids cant go off the shots...they're just like any other kid while on the shots but if they miss their shots they regress right back into their autistic behaviors.

Some of the kids have totally normal B-12 levels but its not being utilized properly in the body...theres no way too know if the shots will help w/out trying them.

My levels are all normal except folate....I think this could indicate a problem with how my body is utilizing B-12. There could be a problem but its not gonna show up as a deficiency in a bloodtest. I could have adequate B-12 but its not utilized correctly...I think the shots can maybe "override" that.

Just looked at the dosage instructions WRITTEN RIGHT ON THE BOTTLE by the nurse, and I'm supposed to take ONE TABLET ONCE PER DAY! Sheesh, wonder why I spend so much money on supplements.

Yikes on rachelling the M-B12.

[CarlaB]

I have a story of this to share ... a good friend of mine was a breast cancer survivor. She had several healthy years cancer-free.

She had been single (divorced) for years and put her kids first. Finally, she met a guy and they had an instant connection. Within a few weeks, she found out her cancer was back ... badly.

She tried to break up with him because she knew what was coming and didn't think it was fair to him. He said that he's a big boy and didn't need her to protect him like that. He only knew her for a few weeks before this, but stuck with her until the very end. She ended up dying within a few months.

That is love ... that is chemistry ... it's also a woman who was open to letting someone take care of her ... dependence is difficult for we independent women, and trust me, she was one of us.

Again, not saying to start something ... just saying be open. You DESERVE it.

[UR Groovy]

Last week my mom said she cant read Tom's posts because they seem like riddles to her.

...

At least I know I'm not the only struggling to comprehend.

You know, I've actually been really concerned about this. I thought maybe there was something wrong with my brain.

I'm relieved to know that this isn't another example of my aversion to anything that involves effort.

I'ts not that it's completely out of the question that my 'lifestyle' has exacerbated the problem, but it's good to know that my brain isn't broken.

[rinne]

Ahh I didn't start getting to SF until '88.

And to me, not much beats seeing a regular bar performer a lot before their rise to fame and fortune.

He played there pretty regularly and he was great.

Susan, I am sure he would adore you.

.....

I've cleaned & re-sighted my pistol btw LMAO

Dawn it is.

Clearly I do not hold science in the same regard that you do.

I look at it as merely one of many languages that seeks define reality and reality being undefineable it fails. No absolute truths for me.

Now I'm thinking outside the box........is it possible this is the area you got bit and that's why this area hurts so bad?

.....

That may not be so out of the box Andrea, I remember reading something about that.

.....

So yeah...today I'm sad....like I had predicted.

...

Sad but not toxic from the event, a step forward.

....

You don't need a disease to find Tom's posts hard to read (do you?? )

I think I understand them.

I've been taking MB-12 tablets for months now...

Me too, and I have had some B12 shots the regular ones and the methyl ones in Calgary. I noticed a real boost in my energy from them.

The methyl ones, as it was explained to me, are a win/win combination because as they break down they have another positive benefit (dingo'd what) whereas the conventional shots have a win/lose effect because when they break down they have a slight negative effect. I was told it is still better to have the shots if your B levels are very low though.

I have a story of this to share ... a good friend of mine was a breast cancer survivor. She had several healthy years cancer-free.

She had been single (divorced) for years and put her kids first. Finally, she met a guy and they had an instant connection. Within a few weeks, she found out her cancer was back ... badly.

She tried to break up with him because she knew what was coming and didn't think it was fair to him. He said that he's a big boy and didn't need her to protect him like that. He only knew her for a few weeks before this, but stuck with her until the very end. She ended up dying within a few months.

That is love ... that is chemistry ... it's also a woman who was open to letting someone take care of her ... dependence is difficult for we independent women, and trust me, she was one of us.

Again, not saying to start something ... just saying be open. You DESERVE it.

What a wonderful love, and yes Rachel you do deserve it and when you are ready I am sure it will arrive.

We had an incredible storm last night and tornadoes touched down not far from here the night before, flipped a semi and ripped several houses right off there foundations. One woman said the air was green from the leaves that had been ripped from the trees. Fortunately no-one was hurt. My brother and his wife arrived that evening having missed it by about twenty minutes and when I told him he said he was sorry he missed it.

[tom]

Yay! Copper River Reds(sockeye) in the oven!!

And I did book a flight to SJ. w00t!!

Wed thru Sun, I'm gonna love it!!

Yikes lotta catching up to do (not that *I* had anything to do w/ *that*)

I think the site says I'm still here when I'm not. W/ no browser to close & no pc to turn off, this just stays at whatever page I last read. 3 hrs later I see my name at the bottom, same as if I'm pontificating (while apologizing for same ) for 3 hrs.

Hope everyone's Sundays are good! :)

[Mtndog]

Hello- I'm POOPING in again!

Ugh- major exploding head syndrome..not sure what happened My energy and joint pain was much better but I had such bad brain fog I felt drunk (NOT in a good way).

Tom- You brilliant comedian....thank you for the link. That info is key for those of us who are sensitive souls I haven't "phinished" yet.....I still have to do my dissertation which I WILL DO even if I have to go slow. So, no, not Dr Bev yet, just Candidate Bev.

Actually I was thinking it's pretty amazing what people do/have done despite major health problems- work full-time, raise kids, home school, paint, garden. I'm really blown away at how much LIFE there is an a thread about illness

I really meant what I said though. You remind me a lot of this guy that was in my classes (brilliant).

Donna- Hope the pain is GONE soon

Rachel- Sorry you're sad today. It would have made me sad too. I think your ex might find it painful because he cared so much about you and sees that you are still suffering. Sending you hugs :wub: i think Carla is right though- about keeping yourself open.

I often apologize to Kurt for not being up to doing things or being sick and he always says if it's not my fault I shouldn't apologize.

I think, for me and probably for you too, that we have a hard time letting someone care for us. My hubby always calls me Little Miss Stubborn

Sorry about the overtoxic feeling today too. I've got it as well. I don't usually get it after only being C for one day but for some reason, it's bad today. Hope you get some relief soon. Your scientifucness NEVER ceases to AMAZE me!

Interesting about the jumping! I was thinking about starting yoga again...slowly!

[CarlaB]

I think the site says I'm still here when I'm not.

It does it with the computers, too. I always try to remember to go to "view new posts" so I don't look like I'm still sitting here.

I think, for me and probably for you too, that we have a hard time letting someone care for us. My hubby always calls me Little Miss Stubborn

I'm never called anything like that.

What was the most difficult for me was that I am used to taking care of everyone else. I mean, I've been a stay-at-home Mom for 19 years ... that's what I do -- take care of everyone! Now everyone takes care of me and all I do is lounge around all day.

I get that "bad drunk" feeling, too. Before I knew it was Lyme, I'd feel better if I had a glass of wine, so that all the other drinking feelings went along with it and made it feel more normal ... if that makes sense.

[tom]

He said if I could eat garlic, onions, broccoli...the other cruciferous veggies....those would all be good too.

Mmmmmmm I love my scrambled eggs w/ sauteed onions & peppers!!

Sometimes wrapped in a rice tort mmmmmmm

[AndreaB]

Just looked at the dosage instructions WRITTEN RIGHT ON THE BOTTLE by the nurse, and I'm supposed to take ONE TABLET ONCE PER DAY! Sheesh, wonder why I spend so much money on supplements.

Oops.

Let's put it this way, would your rather have someone who is capable of spending the whole evening dancing with you or someone who is capable of spending the whole evening talking with you? Sure, dancing is fun, but you can dance with anyone ...

Whole point well said.

I have a story of this to share ... a good friend of mine was a breast cancer survivor. She had several healthy years cancer-free.

I know of a similar situation. A friend of my moms (who's the one that called and let us know what was going on with dad), married someone who had cancer. I think he survived 2 years after they got married. He died last year I believe. She had a hard time deciding to go see dad in his final days since she'd just been through that wringer. He brightened up when he noticed her so she was glad she went.

I think, for me and probably for you too, that we have a hard time letting someone care for us. My hubby always calls me Little Miss Stubborn

I agree with that for Rachel too.

I don't mind my hubby taking care of me but I'm not to comfortable with anyone else. How sad is that?

Oh, BTW, the site doesn't register you as being on if you're inactive for over 15 minutes.

[CarlaB]

I don't mind my hubby taking care of me but I'm not to comfortable with anyone else. How sad is that?

When I'm herxing, I'm pretty resigned to the fact that whoever is around is going to have to take care of me.

[tom]

I'm not sure I'm going to make it with no nut butter today...I'm craving it fiercely! That in itself should tell me something, but, well, I have a habit of not listening to myself.

Ay-yi-YI!!

U have nutbutter IN THE HOUSE during a test!!!

I never attempted testing anything w/ it around.

I'm not sure I could.

Especially since, the result I'd like best is to feel much better and not eat any more whatever anyway.

Hide it!! *Have* someone hide it! Put it in the time-lock safe, set for Wed!!

But mostly, don't eat it. That's what they *want* u to do.

<the terrorists win if u eat it>

Cool, I eat a LOT of broccoli! Keep forgetting to buy the fresh garlic though.

Mmmmmm gaaaarrrrrrrrr-lic . . . . .

Sometimes I toss whole cloves into the broc/cauli I'm cooking however.

Admittedly most often it's frozen and cooked in microwave, w/ unpeeled cloves but now that I write I don't quite remember why. Maybe the cloves steam up more unpeeled.

Whatever, the flavor is mild but still tasty to me.

With such limited spicing options, I use glc all the time. (Still missing dried herbs - might need to try some sometime)

[tom]

Oh, BTW, the site doesn't register you as being on if you're inactive for over 15 minutes.

Ahhh thx for info.

Clearly I do not hold science in the same regard that you do.

I look at it as merely one of many languages that seeks define reality and reality being undefineable it fails. No absolute truths for me.

It's not at all about that. (I don't have to write "to me" every time, right? )

Seeking to define reality sounds more the realm of religion.

The cutting edge of science is trying to discover and decipher truths of nature, not *define* them.

Any scientist worth his NaCl knows that things like Bohr's model of the atom, w/ its similarity to a mini solar system, is not an attempt to *define* atoms as such. It is a tool to try to further understand the mystical nature of matter.

And his model did its job well.

W/out science in general, humans would still live in caves, surviving through constant hunting & gathering.

<hmmmmmm *too* bold?>

And I know I've said it before, but the real science is the process, not the result.

Once there's a result, doing anything worth a damn is engineering, aka 'applied science'.

Now the BIG question - I'm too curious about the other languages in the quote

"one of many languages that seeks

define reality and reality being

undefineable it fails."

<I MUST KNOW!! hehehehehhe>

And lastly, u say:

"No absolute truths for me. "

Einstein basically said same.

(and I don't mean Maury Einstein )

[tom]

I'ts not that it's completely out of the question that my 'lifestyle' has exacerbated the problem, but it's good to know that my brain isn't broken.

Can't say I'm positive of what

'lifestyle' u speak of, but there are times I'm surprised my brain survived the 80s intact.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhheeyit the mota still had its mojo woikin 2 yrs ago!

There *are* proven ways to alleviate nausea.

[tom]

Tom- ....thank you for the link. That info is key for those of us who are sensitive souls I haven't "phinished" yet.....

Hmmm must be the hotels w/ kitchens link?? Some (too many?) are microwave only tho. It was harder than I'd hoped to find full oven/stove in some cities.

I think the 1st time I used it I was determined to see the little girls for Halloween, but not confident I could drive to Reno in one day. So I found places past Sacto where I could stay AND ACTUALLY EAT!! (yay!)

Didn't need 'em but unsure if would've tried the trip w/out the safety net.

I get that "bad drunk" feeling, too. Before I knew it was Lyme, I'd feel better if I had a glass of wine, so that all the other drinking feelings went along with it and made it feel more normal ... if that makes sense.

Heyyyyyyyyyy I remember a little of that. I think either soon after gluten-free, or in the beginning of ani-candida diet while figuring out that I couldn't 'get away with' anything.

[Clark Bent as Stupor-Man]

Sometime ago I read a Rolling Stone article on Vaccinations by Robert Kennedy, did you see it? He talks about a secret meeting between the big players in the vaccination game and various other health officials and government types that happened around 2000.

They met to discuss the relationship between autism and thimersol and the growing evidence of that relationship. Just after that a number of studies were funded that showed there was NO relationship and that meant no problem for the drug companies.

If you go looking you can find these studies but if you keep looking you will find that these studies have been disproved.

Recently though I have heard that there is a legal case that is going to proceed regarding vaccinations - thimersol and autism.

When I read an alternative view point I keep in mind that those offering that viewpoint have little in the way of funding research and are hindered by large drug companies who have the resources to do all the studies showing what they want them to show.

it's not so much that the studies have been disproved as there have been flaws revealed in them either due to the methodology and testing criteria used or the presentation/interpretation of the data (or a combination of both)... I haven't looked too much into these studies but have seen various info relating to flaws in the studies (I think there were 5 or 6 done that are the ones typically referenced when medical or govt officials say there isn't a link)...

the legal case you're referring to started 2 weeks ago... right now the first of about 4800 cases is being heard and the decision on this case and maybe a few more "test" cases will have a large bearing on how the rest of the cases go... there isn't a jury, it's 3 "special masters" who are hearing the cases with 1 special master deciding each case... the cases aren't only focusing on thimerosal but also on the MMR vaccine and a viral etiology, specifically the attenuated measles strain, for autism...

the pro-vaccine propaganda machine was ramped up the past few weeks as the hearings began with the typical rhetoric and factual inaccuracies... I must have come across dozens of "different" articles in various media sources around the country that had the same handful of points and were essentially identical... it's one thing if a person believes that the evidence does not point towards vaccines being a causation or contributing factor in autism and points out legitimate reasons to substantiate their beliefs, but it's ridiculous how slanted and inaccurate a lot of the articles and speakers through the media have been... not surprising, but still disappointing..