Omg...i Might Be On To Something

[tom]

  Rachel--24 said:

That dentist also replaced those 2 amalgams with gold crowns...I had requested porcelain (he said gold was more stable than anything else). Those new gold crowns were in direct contact with the 2 remaining amalgams I had in my mouth. It created an electrical current within my mouth (galvanic reaction). This reaction releases very large amounts of mercury from amalgams....a very dangerous situation.

Oh mahGawwwwwwd Rachel!!

I get chills just *thinking* of that!!!!

(And a sudden desire to spit - like when u feel a bug may have just flown in)

That's basically the electro-plating process in reverse!! Ptuiee!!

But it leads to a question (d'oh I'm incapable of using "begs the question").

Did u get any good radio reception in there?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[rinne]

  Mtndog said:

.....

Actually I was thinking it's pretty amazing what people do/have done despite major health problems- work full-time, raise kids, home school, paint, garden. I'm really blown away at how much LIFE there is an a thread about illness.

.....

Well said, and I find it amazing too.

  CarlaB said:

....

I get that "bad drunk" feeling, too. Before I knew it was Lyme, I'd feel better if I had a glass of wine, so that all the other drinking feelings went along with it and made it feel more normal ... if that makes sense.

To a lymified mind, perfect sense.

  tom said:

.....

Seeking to define reality sounds more the realm of religion.

......

And I know I've said it before, but the real science is the process, not the result.

Once there's a result, doing anything worth a damn is engineering, aka 'applied science'.

Now the BIG question - I'm too curious about the other languages in the quote

"one of many languages that seeks

define reality and reality being

undefineable it fails."

<I MUST KNOW!! hehehehehhe>

And lastly, u say:

"No absolute truths for me. "

Einstein basically said same.

(and I don't mean Maury Einstein )

I don't dispute science existing, or a preference for good science, all I'm saying is that I see it as another way of interpreting reality. Astology could be considered a language for interpreting reality as could any religion.

I see the interpretation as a map we impose in order to make order out of what is essentially beyond our ability to order.

As to knowing....... ye must seek.....

I've never met Maury.

  Clark Bent as Stupor-Man said:

it's not so much that the studies have been disproved as there have been flaws revealed in them either due to the methodology and testing criteria used or the presentation/interpretation of the data (or a combination of both)... I haven't looked too much into these studies but have seen various info relating to flaws in the studies (I think there were 5 or 6 done that are the ones typically referenced when medical or govt officials say there isn't a link)...

....

Hi and thanks for clarifying that.

  NoGluGirl said:

.... Dear Rinne,

Yes, Dollface has quite a few issues. Not just with men, either. She is angry at pretty much everyone. This woman is out for vengeance. She is angry at the world for hurting her.

The cravings can drive you crazy at times. If I could get some Glutino pretzals, that would be awesome to take some chocolate and melt it, then cover them with it! I miss fudge, too. I would love to have some of that! Peanutbutter fudge especially would be good!

I found your information regarding immunizations interesting. I believe that these things are very possible. I do not trust the government. They keep all kinds of stuff from us. I would like to receive some of those e-mails you talked about. Mine is in my profile.

...

Jin, I dingo'd the emails remind me and I will.

I like Dollface, I am sure she has good reasons for being so angry.

  dlp252 said:

.....

I'm feeling better today in case you couldn't tell.

...

Yes and it is good to see. Lymify and herxify. YES

  tabasco32 said:

HI Everyone,

Wish me luck on my new doctor today! I hope it's worth it.

I'll be thinking about you, hope it goes well.

  dlp252 said:

Okay, put up my chubby little self. Note the look... or maybe it's closer to ! Anyway, I had a string of baby photos with that same look.

Adorable, as was the stories about the little ones and concerts.

  CarlaB said:

....

Think I'm past my herx, so I have a busy day planned. Looks like I get 2 1/2 good weeks, then five days of herx. Better than last summer!!

Great news.

  fajitas said:

Good Morning,

......

Also, I wanted to mention that while I've been checking this thread out, I've been reading some very poignant stories about you folks. I hope you all are feeling just a little bit better today than yesterday, and so on, and into the next day of even betterness. Betterness to you.

....

Nice to see you back and lots of information here about mercury.

[Rachel--24]

  tom said:

Did u get any good radio reception in there?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ummm...no...thats a "bonus" that I missed out on.

I had alot of other fun stuff going on when eating with metal silverware, walkman earphones, etc. It was shockingly good times.

I have heard of other people experiencing galvanic reaction and having that added benfit of getting radio reception in their mouth.

Heck...maybe if that would have happened I would have clued in alot sooner as to what was going on. Then again...maybe not.

I was pretty stupified from the whole electric current pulling mercury and other metals rapidly out of my mouth and into my body thing.

[CarlaB]

  fajitas said:

It's about my amalgams at this point.

Do I need to go to some special type of dentist or will my regular dentist be good enough?

K, go to Open Original Shared Link to see if there's a specialist near you. Insurance covered the replacements for me because the fillings were old. I only had to pay the difference between the amalgams and the composites ... insurance only covered amalgams.

  tom said:

Did u get any good radio reception in there?

Only when she chewed on aluminum foil.

[Rachel--24]

Lisa....I'm hoping you are having a fabulous appt. with the new Dr. right now....cant wait to hear all about it!!

I know there is alot more I wanted to say...I've dingo'd the past few pages....must go back...lots to reply to.

  Quote

I see the interpretation as a map we impose in order to make order out of what is essentially beyond our ability to order.

OK...I have to admit that I dont think I'm Lymified or Herxified right now...I think I'm just plain Stupified.

Seriously, I think my brain would be struggling to decipher these things on a "normal" day ...but yeah...I'm really still in the midst of dongo'ing everything...the last coffee e/SpiceShip incident has had lingering effects.

Possibly too much NAC?? I think this could be contributing.

There may be no such thing as too much glutathione....but I think there is such a thing as too much NAC...cuz L-Cysteine can mobilize mercury.

I've definately mobilized some mercury...my arms, face, back, shoulders....all feeling pretty sunburnt right now.

Ok....so maybe I'm toxified??

Yes...I think this would be a more fitting description for me.

BTW...I think I have dongo'd the definations of the new Rachelville words??

Something about "clarification"?? Or was that something else??

HELP!!

[Rachel--24]

  AndreaB said:

As far as cost figure around $1000 for each crown if you need one. Could be more or less depending on where you live. For replacing amalgam with composite and no need of crown it would be somewhere between $100-300 per tooth (at least up here in WA).

Andrea..

YES...your post brought it all back to me!

My first removals (from stupid dentist) were covered by insurance because the fillings were old and one was broken.

I dont think the removals of my gold crowns were covered because they had just been put in one year prior...cant remember....I didnt care...they needed to come out for obvious reasons.

The two amalgam removals done by the biological dentist were replaced with composites...no crowns. I think maybe my total bill was around $800. I may not have submitted anything to insurance....cant remember. I might have gotten something back from insurance...cant remember if I bothered to submit it or not.

I also had compatibility testing....important test....if I remember correctly its not covered by insurance...I think it was around $250-$300.

[Rachel--24]

Ok...since I'm on vacation this week....I've done something I've wanted to do for a LONG time now.

All this talk about the amalgams and today I was just READY to call that Dentist (who is right down the street). I called....he's off today....I told all my story to the receptionist (who actually listened).

She said I could leave a voicemail for his asst. (I remember her) requesting a callback tomorrow.

I *know* she will remember me....both her and the dentist were not happy with my saying the galvanic reaction was causing toxicity and that the removals were done unsafely. I had printed out the info and brought it with me the last time I sat in his chair to get those gold crowns out.

Its time for them to hear from me again.

So yeah...I told the woman on the phone that I hold no grudge...I want to talk to the dentist *in person* and I want him to know everything I've gone through. I told her I know that he backs the ADA 100% but he is misguided. I want him to *know* that this is real.

My concern is only in getting well...not holding onto anger which will only drag me down furthur. I want to talk to him so that he might not make this same mistake and cause so much suffering in another persons life.

I told her it was NOT my original choice to have gold crowns put in...I wanted porcelain...he talked me out of it. I told her its FACT that dissimilar metals should not be placed in the same mouth...especially gold w/ amalgam. He should know this and he should hear about the consequences and the impact its had on my life.

I told her some people may be OK with it...my body was not able to detox all that mercury I was exposed to in such a short time. Every time he makes a decision like this he's taking a risk....its a risk that he should not be taking with someone elses life.

So yeah...she listenened and she was nice...she said she would make a note and make sure he gets it...took my name and #...also had me leave a voicemail with the same info...and also said to call back very early tomorrow...which is when he'll be in the office.

I do want to speak to him in person....but I dont know if I can do it w/out getting very emotional.

[UR Groovy]

  Rachel--24 said:

...

I wasnt going into the amalgam removal informed...I wasnt even aware of mercury....the fillings were just "old"...one was broken and the dentist said they needed replacing. I said fine...now here I am...5 years later still trying to recover from that disaster. I learned about mercury the hard way.

...

Oh, Rachel, you've had a tough go of it, haven't you? Thank you for telling me about your experience & everything else. I'm sorry you've been dealing with all of this. I can see that it's worth taking some time to make sure I do this right. The nutritional support part is something I wasn't expecting, but makes sense that it will be an important part of doing this.

Carla, Andrea, Donna, thank you for your input. I really appreciate it.

I had suspicions that this wasn't going to be as easy as setting an appointment and showing up. I'm guessing I'm looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of $5,000 to $7,000 - but, I think it will be worth it.

  tom said:

...

I had even come to accept I may be muddle-brained for the rest of my life - practically relearning how to interact, hoping I could eventually just forget what it used to be like.

I resemble that. A lot.

A lot.

Thanks again,

kat

[AndreaB]

  rinne said:

Jin, I dingo'd the emails remind me and I will.

I think I was the one that mentioned emailed the Blaylock articles. Jin, you're email button says private so pm me your email address.

[AndreaB]

  Rachel--24 said:

HELP!!

Don't look to me. I'm clear minded, although incredibly distracted, and I still don't know all these new words.

  Rachel--24 said:

Ok...since I'm on vacation this week....I've done something I've wanted to do for a LONG time now.

At least you've made the call. I'd be emotional too, but I'm a pretty emotional person.

[AndreaB]

Rachel,

I'm trying to keep in mind what you said and approach T differently. So far today has gone a little better between us but she's still her unhappy self with the way some of her numbers/letters look to her.

All are supposed to be outside but Seth just came in. Need to get back on the schoolwork pretty soon and naptime for Seth. I'm out for a few minutes to brave the pollen.

[Rachel--24]

  fajitas said:

I had suspicions that this wasn't going to be as easy as setting an appointment and showing up. I'm guessing I'm looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of $5,000 to $7,000 - but, I think it will be worth it.

Definately worth it if its done the proper way and you're informed going into it. One thing I've learned is you cant put a price on your health.

One other thing I may have left out. Cant remember how many amalgams you have but the removals should be spaced out....not everything done in one day.

They should be spaced out w/ adequate time for your body to detox and recover after each procedure....so that its strong and ready for the next...you dont want to overwhelm your system with too much exposure.

You will get some mercury exposure each time...even following the guidelines for safe removal. Not having too many removed at once will minimize the exposure.

The nutrtritional support will build up your immune system and also help detox what you do get exposed to so that it doesnt get you sick.

[Rachel--24]

  AndreaB said:

Rachel,

I'm trying to keep in mind what you said and approach T differently. So far today has gone a little better between us but she's still her unhappy self with the way some of her numbers/letters look to her.

Andrea....I was trying to think about what I'd said....sheeeesh...what didnt I say?? I guess I talk alot.

I think you must be referring to my recent learning experience at work?? Oh..maybe the differences in approach w/ Michelle and my Mom??

Glad you two are having a better day.

I dont think theres much you can do about the retracing of the letters/numbers. I would just let her do it and not say anything about it....unless she asks.

[Rachel--24]

Ok...I've been setting things up with the pharmacy all morning. My M-B12 is coming on Thursday. I guess its temp. sensitive so its delivered within one day from when its sent out. If you arent home the driver will take it right back to the truck.

The drivers are all booked up for Wed......Thurs. I wont be home cuz of my bloodraw at Dr. S.'s office....I'll be in the Bay Area for that.

I had to sign, scan and email a release form allowing the driver to leave it at my door.

I dont know what time it'll be dropped off or what time I'll get home so I think I have to cancel and re-schedule my blooddraw.

I dont want my M-B12 sitting ouside all that time...its pretty hot.

Anyways...the pharmacy lady was great.

This compounding pharmacy is in Colorado...its where Dr. Amy sends her prescriptions.

Dont know if anyone's looking for a good compounding pharmacy but heres a link to their site.

Open Original Shared Link

These are their main specializations..

Autism

The Therapy: Biologically Identical HRT

The Hormones: Biologically Identical HRT

Adult Hormone Deficiency

Multiple Sclerosis

Skin Care

This is specialties from the Autism page on their site.

Custom Compounding & Consultation Center Specializing In:

Autism Spectrum Protocols

Custom Compounded Formulations

Transdermal Applications

Sublingual Formulations

Heavy Metal Toxicity/Chelation

Vitamin + Mineral Support

Additional Services Include:

Pharmaceutical Grade Nutritional Supplements

Personalized Health & Wellness Consultations

Individualized Health & Wellness Plans

Environmental Health Consultations

Vitamin & Nutrient Consultations

Digestive Enzymes

Probiotics

Homeopathic Services

Autonomic Response Testing (ART)

NAET Services (For Allergy Elimination)

Doctor Referral Programs

They have alot of info. on their site....including "Find a health practitioner" link.

Seems like a person in Colorado could get set up with ART through them. I dont know if they do ART there or refer to a practioner??

Anyways...Andrea...maybe you could pass this on to JM.

[tom]

////////////Lymification Failure!////////////

<insert loud annoying buzzer here>

///////does////not///////compute//////////

(Pls skip to topic #2)

  rinne said:

I don't dispute science existing, or a preference for good science, all I'm saying is that I see it as another way of interpreting reality. Astology could be considered a language for interpreting reality as could any religion.

I see the interpretation as a map we impose in order to make order out of what is essentially beyond our ability to order.

I don't see astrology or religion putting a thin-screen display on anyone's desk or giving me the means to be 800 miles away in < 2hrs on Wed.

And in one sense I do get your point. But it really leads back to my assertion that the Science is in the experiments.

(Madame Curie has my back on this one)

Well-designed & executed experimentation led to everything from tools that efficiently work a field w/out breaking, to you not needing to gather wood to cook, to the vast decrease in prior centuries' Infant Mortality Rate.

The history of Science is the history of human civilization.

Sure, parts of science stick to interpretation, but has anyone ever heard the phrase "Advancements in Astrology"?

(Hey!! *now* doesn't count!)

<fidgeting towards holster>

I live fine w/out astrology.

Your turn - hehe - go ahead and try living in the woods w/out technology. Don't even TRY bringing a tempered-steel or carbon-strengthened knife!! lmao :lol:

<nearly touching pistol now>

There's a different sort of power in the iterative understanding of the forces of nature, structure of matter etc.

None of the other 'languages for interpretation' can claim inherent methods which inevitably increase the knowledge base.

<dawn? by the old mill? do we really have to?>

(Uh-oh, now to lymify )

  rinne said:

I like Dollface, I am sure she has good reasons for being so angry.

Hehe yes she is quite likable!

. . . . from a distance.

(Jin? Can I reserve a copy even if it's not out 'til 2012?)

[Rachel--24]

Open Original Shared Link

Andrea...(or anyone who can view PDF's)

Theres a link here on this site...towards the bottom...it says:

Heavy Metal Detox & Supporting Vital Functions: Recommendations From Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt & Dr. Amy Derksen.

I cant open it.

I dont know if its something different from what I've already seen but can someone post it here...or pm it to me?? I wanna know what it says.

[happygirl]

just copied it and PM'ed it to you rachel. its not formatted, so sorry bout that!

[barbara123]

  tom said:

////////////Lymification Failure!////////////

<insert loud annoying buzzer here>

///////does////not///////compute//////////

(Pls skip to topic #2)

I don't see astrology or religion putting a thin-screen display on anyone's desk or giving me the means to be 800 miles away in < 2hrs on Wed.

And in one sense I do get your point. But it really leads back to my assertion that the Science is in the experiments.

(Madame Curie has my back on this one)

Well-designed & executed experimentation led to everything from tools that efficiently work a field w/out breaking, to you not needing to gather wood to cook, to the vast decrease in prior centuries' Infant Mortality Rate.

The history of Science is the history of human civilization.

Sure, parts of science stick to interpretation, but has anyone ever heard the phrase "Advancements in Astrology"?

(Hey!! *now* doesn't count!)

<fidgeting towards holster>

I live fine w/out astrology.

Your turn - hehe - go ahead and try living in the woods w/out technology. Don't even TRY bringing a tempered-steel or carbon-strengthened knife!! lmao :lol:

<nearly touching pistol now>

There's a different sort of power in the iterative understanding of the forces of nature, structure of matter etc.

None of the other 'languages for interpretation' can claim inherent methods which inevitably increase the knowledge base.

<dawn? by the old mill? do we really have to?>

(Uh-oh, now to lymify )

Hehe yes she is quite likable!

. . . . from a distance.

(Jin? Can I reserve a copy even if it's not out 'til 2012?)

got my results I have celiac tested real high

[Rachel--24]

  happygirl said:

just copied it and PM'ed it to you rachel. its not formatted, so sorry bout that!

Thanks Laura.

[Rachel--24]

  barbara123 said:

got my results I have celiac tested real high

Wow....at least you know what you're dealing with now.

Have you been on the gluten-free diet?? Is this totally new for you? Lots of great people here with alot of knowledge....you'll learn everything you need to know right here on this board.

[dlp252]

Well, even though I've been feeling really good today, I tried to do an upper body workout with very light weights, but my shoulder hurt too much so had to cut it short. Did hop on my rebounder though.

Rachel - I can usually open PDFs here at home, but I can't open that one...it must be big. If someone hasn't posted about it by tomorrow morning I can open it at work (we have the full professional version there) and tell you then.

  tom said:

I know this will be hard to believe, in light of my madness manifested as recent posting prolificness-osity, but, wow I've got things I've been meaning to comment on for a while.

/////start Lymified Version//////

OMG, I post a lot, but more coming!!

!!

  tom said:

Did I hear that Van Gogh was a celiac?

<tom ain't goin' 'back in the hole'>

Yes, and I've also heard he may have had lyme!

  tom said:

Oh the geese needn't *attack* u to play keep-away!! <silly goose>

At a minimum, you'd need to fully decide & commit to get nutty wid'it.

No passing whim as easy as "open fridge / open jar / open mouth"!!

And are u sure the geese weren't trained to specifically aid in this way during elimination tests?? Coulda swore I read something ~p180-200.

Go ahead and check! I'll wait here

Oh my, I think you may have actually read those pages...went back briefly whilst it was slow at work, but you didn't wait.

  Rachel--24 said:

I have heard of other people experiencing galvanic reaction and having that added benfit of getting radio reception in their mouth.

Nope, didn't happen to me either, lol, and I had SIX of them there combined metallic things.

  Rachel--24 said:

I've definately mobilized some mercury...my arms, face, back, shoulders....all feeling pretty sunburnt right now.

Ok....so maybe I'm toxified??

Yes...I think this would be a more fitting description for me.

...

Something about "clarification"?? Or was that something else??

And oddly, my sunburned feeling has been gone the last couple of days...maybe the pain from my shoulder took all the pain receptors away from everywhere else.

Yes...lymification and herxification are calling for clarification...I was mainly thinking of Tom's posts...we can call out "lymifiy" please and he will give us an understandable version.

  Rachel--24 said:

Ok...since I'm on vacation this week....I've done something I've wanted to do for a LONG time now.

Wow, great! I hope you get to talk to him!

  fajitas said:

Carla, Andrea, Donna, thank you for your input. I really appreciate it.

You're welcome! And, Rachel mentioned something about having them done in stages. My dentist wanted to do mine in 4 sittings. (I had a total of 11 teeth with fillings and 6 of those had crowns on them.) We did the first quarter of my mouth, then I went back two weeks later for the permanent crowns from that first sitting and then he did a second quarter. That was right before Thanksgiving, I was going on vacation on December 1, then Christmas was coming, so I convinced him to wait on the other half of my mouth until January... My dental benefits also renewed at that point so better financially.

I was able to go on vacation, but I was really, really exhausted and couldn't do much...then the day I got back from vacation I got pretty sick. Never really broke out into anything, but I had a very bad sore throat and a lot of congestion, pain, etc. I'm pretty sure that was just an overload from the removals. My one doctor had me take massive amounts of Vit C, which really did seem to help. (I was also tested for strep to rule that out.)

In January we started the second half, and I was completely done by February. I did feel that same sore throat thing after this, but it wasn't as bad and it went away much faster.

I initially wanted to go a bit slower on the removal than we did, but my dentist didn't want to...he won. My doctors had me on a lot of supplements during that whole removal period though.

  Rachel--24 said:

I dont know what time it'll be dropped off or what time I'll get home so I think I have to cancel and re-schedule my blooddraw.

Well shucks, guess I won't be running into you tomorrow.

  tom said:

////////////Lymification Failure!////////////

<insert loud annoying buzzer here>

///////does////not///////compute//////////

(Pls skip to topic #2)

!!

[happygirl]

Donna, I PM'ed her the contents....I'll send it to you as well, if you'd like.

[dlp252]

  barbara123 said:

got my results I have celiac tested real high

Wow Barbara! How do you feel about this?

I am not officially diagnosed with celiac, but I do have a gluten intolerance and I have a Celiac gene, so will have to stay away from gluten most likely for life.

[dlp252]

  happygirl said:

Donna, I PM'ed her the contents....I'll send it to you as well, if you'd like.

Sure, that'd be great! Thanks...I saw your post after my marathon reply post.

[Rachel--24]

  dlp252 said:

Well shucks, guess I won't be running into you tomorrow.

I tried to schedule for Tuesday but they had nothing till Thursday!

I told her I thought Thurs. was too late in the week for a blooddraw??

She said nope...just Friday.

Anyways...I tried.