Omg...i Might Be On To Something

[Mtndog]

It's been so interesting to read about unresolved issues and how they effect the immune sysstem. I can't believe what you have been through Donna. And everyone- Rachel- a breakup is still a MAJOR loss so it makes sense.

I've been thinking a lot about what happened to me and the order in which it happened. I moved back here in August 2002. By December we knew my mom (who was my best friend) had about 3 months to live. She died in April of 2003 and I'm pretty sure I contracted Lyme in June 2003. Not much time there to resolve that issue- I had barely started grieving!

I think the Lyme triggered the celiac and while going gluten-free helped for awhile, the Lyme had not been dealt with so I started getting sicker again. Kurt was with me on the same hiking trip, scrambling through the same brush and I'm sure he was exposed to Lyme too but I'm the one that got sick.

I've come to peace with my mom's death (as much as you can anyway) but it will never be truly resolved. I was and still am very expressive about how much I miss her.

Yes- Judy you read right. I'm not going to Korea and am totally comfortable with the decision (ironically it wasn't that hard to make!).

Carla- Your hair looks simply mahvelous!

[CarlaB]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh don't be baitin' me, girl!!!

Digital doesn't need high-tech. it's a "one or the other" concept - like 1s & 0s.

I need to make dinner & the wave/particle duality of light and superstring theories of matter & energy don't make for good dinner conversation.

No, that would be good drinking conversation because it is so unimportant.

There was a guy where I used to work out who wore a t-shirt that said, "There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who know binary and those who don't." I loved that t-shirt.

..and there's Carla looking UTTERLY gorgeous (as usual )

How does she do it people???!!!

Carla- Your hair looks simply mahvelous!

Thank you, thank you.

It's strange seeing myself in the mirror. She dyed it dark so the blonde would take the color ... it should lighten up a bit. Then to see the contrast of the bleached chunks is strange.

My son said it's perfect for me ... the brunette color better reflects my intelligence, but leaving in the blonde streaks shows I still have blonde tendencies!

[tom]

There was a guy where I used to work out who wore a t-shirt that said, "There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who know binary and those who don't." I loved that t-shirt.

LMAO I've never heard that one!!

(Kinda surprised w/ all my silicon valley time)

Of course, I assumed decimal for the 10, until I got to the end, then had to read it again.

Now I need to write things like "a baker's 1100" !!

Once I spent wayyyyy too much time trying to figure out an easy way to multiply in hexadecimal in my head. Finally realized there was no easy way. That's why 'times tables' are memorized. D'oh!!

And compliments on the great pic! (Darn thing is seen on some pages for me, but even loading a page prev unseen, I get old one distorted to new size sometimes. Weird. Usually once new av seen once, future new pages show new one for me)

I should've had someone in SJ take one of me while still a little sunburned. Curse that convertible!!

Ohhhhhhhh <drool> next time I gotta take it to Hwy 1!

P.S. Psssst! hi Jin!

<tom waves at bottom of page>

Did I really read that Finance class starts again so soon???

[Rachel--24]

Out on a limb here, but this is why I made the comment to you about whether you were broken or not when you were born.

I've heard of this before. I believe the theory was that you experience a trauma or some event or prolonged anxiety and peptides of one sort or another are released. The peptides are accepted at the docking stations of the cells or they are not. When you're in a state of trauma, you begin to mostly send certain peptides (say fear peptides) and not so much the "good" peptides. The docking stations (cell receptors) begin to accept only negative peptides after a while and the receptors begin to refuse the positive peptides. It begins to affect the cells because they no longer have balance.

This makes alot of sense and goes right along the lines of what Dr. K. was talking about.

I dont think it applies to me though....I never had any traumas or prolonged anxieties. I considered my life to be a good one and for the most part I was a positive person.

I look back at my photo albums (I took pictures everywhere I went)....I was happy. All the years and months prior to my dental work I was happy and busy enjoying life. Only a week before the dental work I was a bridesmaid at my mom's wedding....totally happy and carefree....I could eat whatever I wanted and had no environmental sensitivities. I was excited about planning for a baby.

Then I got the amalgams out and felt "off" but only after drinking alcohol and it seemed to get a little better after a couple days. I went on a camping trip and felt fine....I had "temporaries" in my mouth while I was on vacation and the dentist had ordered the replacement crowns. I have all the pictures from my camping trip and I was happy.

Once I got the crowns put in and started having the galvanic reaction things just went downhill really fast. My thyroid went overactive and all kinds of neuorolgical symptoms started occuring. About 8 weeks later I had to go on disability. You could see the changes in my pictures.

It was about a month before Xmas (2002) that I got the crowns put in and by Xmas I was not doing well....I was losing alot of hair, I felt weak and my eyes were bothering me alot....I was having major headaches everyday. I thought it was because my thyroid was overactive even though I had never experienced such severe symptoms and the numbers werent that bad.

The symptoms just continued to progess long after thyroid treatment. I was just getting more and more poisoned with the crowns in my mouth.

I only started feeling prolonged panic, anxiety, fear and then sadness from my break-up when I was already in this state of severe illness. It wasnt these feeling that brought me there though.

Once I got to the point of being very symptomatic my body could no longer handle stress of any kind....anything negative would make the symptoms worse. It was as if things got all mixed up in my body and nothing worked right anymore. Thats how its been for almost 5 years now.

The symptoms I get now if I allow myself to get even the tiniest bit stressed are the same ones I started feeling right after the crowns were put in.

Prior to that I had never in my life experienced these things.

I have many photo albums of me happy and enjoying life.....but everything just stopped after that Xmas....theres nothing after that.

[rinne]

I remember my first OCD type behavior ... it was in the country where I was bitten by ticks. Prior to that, I didn't have it at all. I remember thinking how it couldn't be normal. It was also right after my mom married my step-father ... so too many things at once.

This is more exciting than you even realize!!!

I could have been bitten by ticks at that point but I am wondering if it is the tick/vaccination combination.

I took a Tablespoon of whey powder this morning, I am curious about the exciting part.

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If I *did* want a debate, I'd just call my buddy Tony. One time, seeing some band at a great club on Valencia (~20th?) in SF, we spent more time than any reasonable people should, discussing whether SHOELACES were more analog or digital!!!

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quick question regarding the foot pads for anyone who might know... I assume they're mostly benign and haven't seen anything to the contrary, but I just want to make sure that in terms of extracting any metals, they aren't going to potentially exacerbate symptoms due to shifting and mobilizing any metals, maybe increasing the load in one part of the body... it doesn't seem to be the case from what I've seen but I just want to make sure before using them...

the handout from klinghardt re: foot pads states that among other things, the "pad draws toxins from the lymphatics, veins and small arteries in the skins and also directly from the matrix of the surrounding tissues"... it sounds to me from this quote as well as the rest of the handout that the pads may have both mobilizing and binding properties... which seems to me to be a major function in the grand scheme of metals detoxification for what is purportedly a rather benign thing like the footpads... am I missing something? is the transport of the metals via the footpads a simple and direct transport that doesn't create any unintentional shifting of metals from one part of the body to another?

Thanks for bringing this up Charlie.

I have used them twice now and I would say they have a definite effect, I feel an ache in my feet and calves when they are first on. I'm glad to hear Klinghardt talks about them.

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I had OCD behavior too. I had it really bad in my late 20's....right around the time I got diagnosed with hyperthyroid. At that point I was having some issues with OCD but they cleared up quite a bit when I went on my thyroid meds.

I think that was also around the time that I had those vaccs.

I wonder if I could find out when exactly I had those vaccinations?? They should have those records right?? I think it would be interesting to find out when I had those vaccs and then I'd have a better idea of what was going on with me duiring that time.

Interesting. I hope you can locate them.

For me, I think the tipping point was a combination of circumstances and certainly childhood trauma was part of it. I think menopause has played a big part in it.

just droppen in for a few minutes ....but know we can't catch up that fast.

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Hi Judy.

..and there's Carla looking UTTERLY gorgeous (as usual )

How does she do it people???!!!

I think she carlas it.

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There was a guy where I used to work out who wore a t-shirt that said, "There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who know binary and those who don't." I loved that t-shirt.

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[dlp252]

I suppose if somehow I'm the *only* one who it makes think of Emmanuel Lewis!!

(Annnnnnnd doubting that)

No, I don't think you're the only one.

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I got my hair colored today. Brown this time! But with a few very light highlights on top. Very different.

Very nice...I get mine done again in a couple of weeks....I'm having her put in only a few highlights this time...she tends to get carried away sometimes and I turn out pretty blonde...I was not meant to be blonde, lol.

Well- the korea decision was made for me. I'm herxing again and would NOT want to be in a hotel and definitely not a foreign country. I think last week could have been from the plaquenil (or the heat) because this is the herx I was expecting.

Yuck-a dookie! HERXATION HIDEOUSNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah, so sorry about the herxation hideousness but am also relieved that you will not be in a foreign country if it happened again!

She said I could still be holding onto stuff even though I'm talking about things and expressing myself. She said its still "issues" that I might not have fully dealt with.

See, this is what I was thinking too...I am much more able to express my feelings now and release things, but I still think I haven't fully let go of some of them.

I'm just back from a groc store I don't generally go to and in a sockeye salmon tizzy!!

They jacked up the non-sale price for these Copper River, Ak reds but the sale price was awesome.

Not having the little card, it rang up as $85 at first!! (Just $6 non-salmon)

But pOw!! after the guy fakes the card it's only $22! YeeeeeeeeeeeeeHA!!!

Sidenote: I'm pretty sure wild alaskan salmon are in the group of least-mercurial fishies. Aren't they? They're not bottom-dwellers and there's like zero industry up there anyway.

I've always heard that the wild salmon were lower in mercury, but my doctor still doesn't want me to have it. That makes me sad, lol. I LOVE salmon! What a great bargain you got!!! Wow!

I think we have to be detectives about our health, we have to pay attention to our bodies and take care of them.

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I bought some whey powder tonight. That's as exciting as it gets.

So very true about our health...never did a good job of paying attention to mine, which is why it's so hard for me to pin down when I might have contracted lyme! The mercury part is pretty easy to figure out though.

I'd be beyond elated if I could have whey powder!!! Hey, I bought sheep milk yogurt at WF on Saturday...had some yesterday with a few frozen peaches! YUM!!! That was pretty exciting too! I've been afraid to try it, but seem to be doing okay with that and goat milk yogurt as long as I don't have them every day. I was hoping the casein was different enough from cow's milk to not be a problem.

Change of subject -- This is strange. I am starting to LOOK very different. I lost the weight a couple years ago now, but my face is only now changing. These pictures don't even look like me. The whole bottom part of my face and my neck have thinned out ... presumably from losing toxins from there.

If you go to the Detoxamin website, the guy there has before and after pictures ... the same thing happened to him. My glands are still swollen, but my face and neck are not.

Okay, this is really spooky, cuz I was just thinking yesterday that something odd is happening. I'm losing weight, but shouldn't be. I'm eating plenty of high calorie foods and eating them often...my daily calories run between 1800 and 2200, so I shouldn't be losing weight. I'm not eating gluten (which didn't make me lose weight anyway) or anything like that. Now, I'm NOT complaining because I actually could stand to lose a bit, but it's just odd. So, I started wondering if detoxing could make you lose weight...do the toxins weigh anything at all?! I'll go look at that website.

I've come to peace with my mom's death (as much as you can anyway) but it will never be truly resolved. I was and still am very expressive about how much I miss her.

Yep, I feel like it's one thing that will not be really resolved, and believe me when I say people knew how I felt about things during that time.

I went to see a grief counsellor, but she wasn't a good fit for me...in the end I had to find my own way to express myself...that was when I took up painting. I found release in creating things.

[Rachel--24]

And everyone- Rachel- a breakup is still a MAJOR loss so it makes sense.

I think a major break-up can definately trigger an illness.

In my case the break-up wasnt involved in my decline in health....I was in the relationship and planning to get pregnant when all this happened with my health.

The whole relationship revolved around my health after that....there was no more planning for a baby...no more vacations....no more intimacy....no more happiness. I think most time that we had together was being spent going to Dr. appts., getting all these different tests done for various diseases, going through the radiation treatment for my thyroid, etc. The rest of the time I was sleeping or crying.

I dont think the relationship lasted because the stress level was too high. I remember being at the opthamolgist getting my eyes tested for the umpteenth time. She stuck these little sheets of paper in my eyes and they just hung from my eyes.

I had to sit there for 5-10 minutes with the sheets of papers in my eyes to see if they changed colors...they were checking the moisture content of my eyes...cuz they were VERY dry. Having the papers in my eyes wasnt too comfortable abnd it hurt.

The lady left the room in the meantime and I remember my ex starting crying a little...it was upsetting to watch me have these little papers in my eyes and to know that I was in pain.

I think it was too many days like this that led to our break-up....but yeah....I was already as sick as ever when it happened. I dont know if the break-up could have possibly made me any worse than I already was....but I was definately less able to cope with it because of being so sick.

[tom]

This OCD startup correlating w/ other specific health issues (non-mental ones) is fascinating me.

I recall a couple weird OCD-type things starting w/ me, but had never considered looking for correlation w/ physical health declines.

Not sure if I have the data to check now. Don't think I'd made notes on the OCD-type behaviors.

Anyone know whether this correlation is a known phenomenon outside this thread?

Not asking for links, just wondering whether the concept is as new in psych circles as it is to me.

Any comments or opinions are appreciated.

Oh btw, I've pretty much stopped the silly OCD stuff since becoming no-soy-boy.

[UR Groovy]

First of all, Donna, you're right - I'm getting sucked into the vortex (of Rachelville). If I had a little more self control, I might be able to manage to stay away for a while.

I dont think it applies to me though....I never had any traumas or prolonged anxieties. I considered my life to be a good one and for the most part I was a positive person.

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The symptoms I get now if I allow myself to get even the tiniest bit stressed are the same ones I started feeling right after the crowns were put in.

I'm not really thinking cause here. I'm thinking recent contributor to your difficulties detoxing. I don't think that for any of us there is any 1 cause. Most of us are pretty messed up. You've had a prolonged period of anxiety from what I've read. The constant streaming of some types of peptides due to how you were feeling because of the physical illness (after the amalgam problem began) coupled with the difficulties associated with the break-up. They are also associated with each other. He's having difficulties with you being sick and not knowing where to place those emotions. Those pathways in your brain have been covered a million times. There seems to be a pretty clear connection that would be taking place in the brain between the problems you're having with him and how they are affected by your illness.

As far as the symptoms that you get now, would it not make sense, considering the connections that take place in your brain - over & over again, that when you get the tiniest bit stressed, they begin to send out the same peptides, and that those peptides now have plenty of places to dock on the cells?

Okay, that's it. I must go do something.

And, you would be right to think that I need to get a life.

[Rachel--24]

I've been thinking a lot about what happened to me and the order in which it happened. I moved back here in August 2002. By December we knew my mom (who was my best friend) had about 3 months to live. She died in April of 2003 and I'm pretty sure I contracted Lyme in June 2003. Not much time there to resolve that issue- I had barely started grieving!

Bev, I do think that losing your mom most likely triggered your illness. Lyme and co-infections usually take a long time to work their way into your body so that you end up in a chronic state of illness. Thats what my Dr.s have told me....that it takes months to years for the infection to get a hold of you....unless the conditions are already right in your body.

I've heard that when people get symptoms of Lyme right after exposure they've already got a high load of toxins stored and this bite was just the last straw. The bite can also be a re-infection....meaning there already was previous Lyme exposure and the body was already reaching a toxic state and the last bite pushed the person into chronic illness.

Everything I've heard and read indicates that Lyme isnt a strong infection on its own...that if its an active infection theres other issues that have allowed it to get to that point.....especially the heavy metals.

[Rachel--24]

Carla- Your hair looks simply mahvelous!

Ditto!!!

Its finally showing up on my computer.

[CarlaB]

I don't know guys ... the jury's still out on the hair ... I'm just not used to seeing myself with dark hair!! She died it darker so the blonde would hold it, so after a couple weeks, it will be a more subtle color. Right now it's dark/light. I'll take a better picture today with a better camera, this one was taken with my old phone in a semi-dark room.

It's kind of fun having a change though ... I like it to be different every time I get it cut ... heck, every time I wash it ... one day it's curly, the next straight!

LMAO I've never heard that one!!

Another one of my all-time favorites is "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants."

I used to be a math geek ... business majors needed 3 credit hours of Calculus ... I took 10. I don't think I could do it now with my lack of brain, but I did have success today counting to three sets in the weight room!!!

I dont think it applies to me though....I never had any traumas or prolonged anxieties. I considered my life to be a good one and for the most part I was a positive person.

I don't think it has anything to do with being positive or negative. I'm always looking for the good ... I've always been a "glass is half full" person. Even putting up with all the garbage as a kid was my choice ... so my sisters didn't have to deal with it. I could have moved in with my dad or grandparents.

I also don't think it always has an order. For you, the trauma didn't come first, for me it did. That's probably why it's always set off by trauma.

I cannot handle stress at all. Fortunately, Adam knows it's due to my illness and he takes care of things that would be stressful. I'm even talking about minor stress. He just takes it away from me and fixes the problem. Normally, I'd be dealing with the lawyers with him (for the house we're buying), but he knows I can't even think about that stuff right now.

I took a Tablespoon of whey powder this morning, I am curious about the exciting part.

I just simply felt better than I did before. I was having a hard time with the Cipro, and I'm back to how I was last month between herxes. It was subtle ... I just feel better and can be more active. I have more interest in things.

Very nice...I get mine done again in a couple of weeks....I'm having her put in only a few highlights this time...she tends to get carried away sometimes and I turn out pretty blonde...I was not meant to be blonde, lol.

Yeah, I think it's best to stick with something not too far from your normal. That's why I wanted the blonde in there with the brown.

Okay, this is really spooky, cuz I was just thinking yesterday that something odd is happening. I'm losing weight, but shouldn't be. I'm eating plenty of high calorie foods and eating them often...my daily calories run between 1800 and 2200, so I shouldn't be losing weight. I'm not eating gluten (which didn't make me lose weight anyway) or anything like that. Now, I'm NOT complaining because I actually could stand to lose a bit, but it's just odd. So, I started wondering if detoxing could make you lose weight...do the toxins weigh anything at all?! I'll go look at that website.

The toxins have to be somewhere. I know we've discussed mercury, candida, etc. protecting our body from toxins ... I also think this is the role of cellulite.

Mine isn't a weight loss ... I've always had a round face, and it's just not round anymore. Some of it has to do with the TMJ work, which also might be helping me get rid of toxins stored up in that area of my face. My TMJ joint feels FINE now.

This OCD startup correlating w/ other specific health issues (non-mental ones) is fascinating me.

I just figured it was because BOTH of my parents are OCD. My mom takes meds for it. My dad is exactly the same as Jack Nicholson in "As Good As It Gets." Once I was visiting and we went somewhere other than where he normally goes on a certain day ... it messed up his whole day ... the rest of the day I kept hearing, "It doesn't feel like Tues." He told me specific directions on HOW to let out his dog, when I refused to wipe his dog's butt, he said, nevermind.

So, I didn't think my small OCD stuff was that odd! I'm a lot better and only get that way when I'm upset. It used to be that I would vacuum when I got upset ... it was good because it got the house cleaner and I burned off some steam at the same time.

Ugg, my water's turned off. We're in a district that is getting revitalized .... they must have the water off ... hope it turns on soon ... I worked out and it's 'date night'.

[happygirl]

I wanted to add that your new pic is great, Carla.

[CarlaB]

I wanted to add that your new pic is great, Carla.

So is yours! That cake looks like a torch!!

I have a picture of Adam's 40th birthday cake. I put 40 candles on it, and took a pic right after he blew it out. What was coming off the cake looked like it would set off a smoke detector!!

I had ice cream, so no candles ... if there were candles there were 2, one for each digit.

Did you send out an email yet? If so, I didn't get it.

[UR Groovy]

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. Just need to say

I'm not talking about emotions. I'm talking about thoughts. Pure energy.

Ta

[tom]

I used to be a math geek ... business majors needed 3 credit hours of Calculus ... I took 10.

Whoa! I do know just how rare that is for a biz major to get 10 credits of Calc!!

Hmmm I bet last one was Vector Calc w/ the "curl" and . . . . . . uhh and . . . .grrrr forgot its counterpart.

Somehow vector calc didn't fit for me until 1/2way into the semester. Then it was like an audible SNAP (not current lingo, more fingery) in my head and it was all suddenly so sensible and easy.

And so directly relateable to nature. Yay math fun! LOL

My 1st sem. I was a Finance major (hi Jin!!) but only needing the yawner no-attendance-necessary Finite Math and being done made me realize I should have a major that takes advantage of how easy math seemed. (Only needed Finite cuz I did Calc in H.S. )

Prob had 5 or 6 math classes past the 3 calcs. Heavy stuff to be sure.

Never a fan of when it gets so abtract I can't imagine it in pictures. Like for quantum physics, a prof (who actually studied under THE Enrico Fermi) said "don't bother trying to understand why; accept it and move on". Grrrrrrr

... it messed up his whole day ... the rest of the day I kept hearing, "It doesn't feel like Tues."

Hehehe Jack Nicholson's char - yup that's a diff league of OCD for Dad.

[CarlaB]

Tom, I took two 5 hour classes of Calculus ... I don't remember what the second class was. I loved the first class, but never had that snap in the second class. I tried and tried, but only got a C. I discovered that semester that there was more to college than classes.

I had a concentration in marketing ... was going to do accounting, but wanted to graduate early to marry hubby. Plus, he was taking mostly electives, so I didn't want to put all that effort into studying. In the end, the marketing was a better choice for me .... more relevant to the things I've done in life.

I took Finite AFTER the calculus classes. What a joke!

My other "non-major" class was Spanish ... graduated with 36 cr. hours of it!

So, what did you end up majoring in?

[Rachel--24]

I'm not really thinking cause here. I'm thinking recent contributor to your difficulties detoxing. I don't think that for any of us there is any 1 cause. Most of us are pretty messed up. You've had a prolonged period of anxiety from what I've read. The constant streaming of some types of peptides due to how you were feeling because of the physical illness (after the amalgam problem began) coupled with the difficulties associated with the break-up. They are also associated with each other. He's having difficulties with you being sick and not knowing where to place those emotions. Those pathways in your brain have been covered a million times. There seems to be a pretty clear connection that would be taking place in the brain between the problems you're having with him and how they are affected by your illness.

As far as the symptoms that you get now, would it not make sense, considering the connections that take place in your brain - over & over again, that when you get the tiniest bit stressed, they begin to send out the same peptides, and that those peptides now have plenty of places to dock on the cells?

Okay, that's it. I must go do something.

Kat,

Yeah....that definately makes sense and I do think it plays a role now...as far as healing. Thats why I made my New Years Resolution.....if I were healthy I would not be so affected but since I'm not healthy the emotions really affect my health and knock me down.

It does affect my illness and when I stay away from the situation I'm doing alot better.

I know that since all of this occurred at a time when I was most vulnerable and already highly toxic....my body simply cannot deal with it and move on like it normally would have. Its an unresolved issue and I dont think it can resolve itself until I'm detoxing from these metals. I think at some point everything will come out and I'll be able to deal with it.

For now I just have to keep my distance so as not to cause myself any furthur harm.

I'm mostly wanting to know why I was susceptible to these metals in the first place....why I wasnt able to detox after the dental work. I dont know if it has anything to do with being a slow detoxer genetically (some people just dont detox as well as others) or if was something else.

Galvanic reaction releases so much mercury into the system.....I've seen the numbers before and it was astronomical. It could be just that I had way more exposure than even a normal healthy person with normal capability to detox can handle??

My amalgam removals were done unsafely so I dont think there was enough time in between the removals and the placement of the gold crowns to allow my body to even recover from the first big exposure.

When gold and amalgam touch they produce the most effective galvanic reaction available for dental mercury release.

The result of this "battery" is a rapid release of mercury and other metal ions into your body as the amalgam corrodes.

The galvanic affect with gold through your mouth will hasten the release of mercury from your remaining amalgams. Don't let the amalgam reside in your mouth with other metals any longer than possible

Amalgams should not be placed into mouths where they may contact any different metals because a galvanic cell is created. It should be pointed out that a galvanic cell is formed when dissimilar metals are in the mouth, even if they are not touching each other.

The saliva acts as an electrolyte and a galvanic cell is thus formed - a battery is formed when dissimilar metals are both bathed in the same electrolyte. When amalgam is in the mouth with stainless steel (eg. orthodontic appliances and pins), there is an increase in the release of nickel from the stainless steel. Nickel is a known carcinogen and allergen.

When amalgam and gold are in the same mouth there is an increased release of mercury from all of the amalgam fillings. The electric currents generated by such a cell are in themselves enough to act as a neurological interference! "Voltages in the mouth not only constitute a permanent stress on the autonomic nervous system due to direct current effects, but additionally cause corrosion of the metals used" ,

Dr. Cheshire points out that dissimilar metals in contact with saliva can form a galvanic cell which can generate electrical currents with several hundred millivolts of potential. He points out that many patients with trigeminal neuralgia describe their pain in terms of "electrical" jolts and concludes that his patient's neuralgia may well have been triggered by the galvanic reaction between the amalgam filling and the gold crown.

Two dissimilar metals in a saliva environment will produce electrical current by galvanic action, and become a battery of sorts. The five metals frequently found in most amalgam formulations produce an even more complex battery. The electrical currents produced by amalgam are far greater in magnitude than the sensitive electrical currents the brain operates on, and are far greater than the current that activates acupuncture meridians.

These abnormal electrical currents can cause or contribute to a wide variety of symptoms and disease.

Gold is the standard by which all other materials have traditionally been compared. The reason for this is it has been in use for over one hundred years, it is very biocompatible and is still one of the most durable materials in the mouth. There is some breakdown (galvanic reaction) of the material when it comes in contact with mercury fillings, but by itself it has not been shown to cause any health concerns or risks.

Having dissimilar metals in the teeth(e.g.-amalgam, or gold and mercury, or stainless steel and mercury) causes galvanic action, electrical currents, and much higher mercury vapor levels and levels in oral tissues.

The amount of mercury released into saliva has been found by large studies to be about 1.5 to 1.9 micrograms per liter for each additional amalgam filling. The amount of mercury released by a gold alloy bridge over amalgam over a 10 year period was measured to be approx. 101 milligrams(mg)(60% of total) or 30 micrograms(ug) per day, and other studies have found similar results.

New data on mercury exposure from corroded amalgam fillings in vivo are presented. The exposure can reach levels considerably over known threshold limit values. Also, measurements of mercury absorption from intraoral air are presented. The vital importance of avoiding a galvanic amalgam-gold coupling is emphasized.

There is just a TON of info. available saying that dissimilar metals....ESPECIALLY gold and amalgam should not be placed in the same mouth...EVER. Its creates the highest release of mercury possible from amalgam fillings.

I had every symptom of galvanic reaction....electric shocks in my mouth as well as shocks all over my face, excessive saliva and drooling, I was evalutaed for Trigeminal Neuralgia due to pain symptoms, metalic taste in mouth, etc.

The crowns were in for one full year before I read all this stuff and got them taken out. Alot of the worst symptoms went away but in no way am I recovered.

The dentist (who's office I just called last week) had told me that the galvanic reaction was harmless... no different from the shocks you experience from licking a 9-volt battery.

Personally I dont think it would be totally harmless to walk around with a 9-volt battery in your mouth for one full year....especially with mercury containing fillings in your mouth.

I read that somewhere between 10-44% of the population is very sensitive to mercury anyways.

I've always thought that if the dentist had never put in those gold crowns I would not have gotten sick....period. If I ever did at some point in the future get sick...it would have never been to this extreme.

After reading all this I do think its possible that I was as healthy as I felt I was...and this kind of exposure was just way too much for me. Its possible that nothing was seriously wrong with my detoxification system but this rapid release of mercury and other metals just completely overwhelmed my system.

I could have been in the 10-44% who are sensitive to mercury to begin with. Also...my fillings were corroding and one was broken for two years going into this...so I was having more than average exposure already....even though I wasnt sick from it.

Voltages in the mouth not only constitute a permanent stress on the autonomic nervous system due to direct current effects, but additionally cause corrosion of the metals used

This sentence leads me to believe that the bizarre symptoms triggered by the tiniest stress and the feeling as if nothing was working right after the crowns got put in....was a direct result of the galvanic reaction and not related to normal everyday stresses. Instead the normal everyday stresses were no longer tolerated by my body.

So does anyone think this is possible for me? That I may have been sensitive to mercury but never having been exposed to such large amounts I was fine until I was dealing with a major galvanic reaction?

I dont just have mercury in my system...I have an assortment of metals that would have been pulled from the crowns and fillings during the galvanic reaction.

[tom]

Tom, I took two 5 hour classes of Calculus ... I don't remember what the second class was. I loved the first class, but never had that snap in the second class. I tried and tried, but only got a C.

Ohhhhh totally diff set-up than my UofAZ. (3,3,4 on the credits in the 3 calc sems)

Still, I bet your 2nd class hit ya w/ that off-the-wall vector calc.

So, hehe we both had Finite after calc., tho I only had a 3credit equivalent 1st.

I discovered that semester that there was more to college than classes.

Hehehe sounds like code for why I took 3 yrs off in the middle.

My other "non-major" class was Spanish ... graduated with 36 cr. hours of it!

So, what did you end up majoring in?

Wow u must have a ball in may-hee-ko!!

Wish I'd taken enough to be fluent.

On biz trips I got pretty good at Tagalog & Bahasa Indonesia tho! (Indonesia has like 300 native languages so Bahasa is the "official" combo of several)

Never Korean - I'm helpless w/out my alphabet.

My major?? Heyyyyyyyy somehow ppl knew I quit work in '97, tho I thought I'd only PMd it, and the thing I KNOW I've talked about PLENTY isn't known??

Or was it dingo'd hehe.

Elec Engr, hence silicon valley chip biz etc.

Heck, once it's on-chip, the elec part gives way to physics & materials science etc problems.

Well, the elec knowledge is used in diag, but the issues aren't really elec at that point.

[NoGluGirl]

Dear Carla,

I like the new you! You look great! The contrast between the blonde and the brown is neat! I thought it was interesting you mentioned the neck and face changing. I noticed that, too! You do look different since the toxins left!

The salmon spread sounds so good! I have an idea for a cucumber-dill dip. It will be similar to that, but not have the salmon. Atlantic salmon and Alaskan salmon are both available here. Only canned, though.

The OCD stuff is strange. I always have had some of that. When I was a little girl, I was that way about doorknobs and stuff. Now, I have other things. Washing my hands is one of them. Apparently, I inherited that from my grandfather.

Dear Rachel,

The Klinghardt interview is so incredible! Thank you for posting the information in your notes! I was hoping to learn more about that stuff. All of that scientificness is awesome! I think I understand what he is saying.

Now I see what you meant when you said broken. I do feel genetics can be mutated by environmental factors. That is part of what occurred in all of us, I think. The poisoning of mercury, as well as other problems can actually change DNA structure. I read you can actually change your genetic code by what you eat. I read about it in "The Zone".

Isn't ANS what they check when they look for Lupus? It sounds very familiar to me. I wonder about mine. They are probably messed up. Everything seems to be!

Hyperactive Thyroid can cause OCD? I did not know that! I have that now! Maybe that is why certain things bother me so much. Some things drive me crazy! Of course, the house looks like Ground Zero, which does not help anything.

Wow, that information on the galvanic reaction sounds exactly like what I read in "Beating Alzheimer's"! I do not think anyone realizes the danger they put themselves in upon getting a metal filling. I read that the electric current from the fillings actually short circuits the brain, because it is 100,000 times stronger than the voltage the brain uses to send messages.

People can ignore it if they want, but that is not going to save them from illness. Dad can stick his head in the sand if he likes, but that will not stop him from getting Alzheimer's.

Why people are so stubborn, I do not know. I also read that even if you have false teeth, that you could still have mercury fragments in your jaw bone. The only way you can get rid of the mercury in your system is by surgically removing them. Then, you must do chelation. Those fillings are too dangerous! I wonder if braces can cause this, since they are metal?

Dear Rinne,

We really do have to be our own advocates when it comes to health. Doctors do not like informed patients in my experience. They should think about the fact we would not have to do it ourselves if they did their jobs! There is so much we need to do. However, it is better than waiting on them for an answer and being charged for useless tests.

Dear tom,

The shoelaces debate is so funny! We have had some really stupid arguments around here. The winner is probably the how to spell tird/turd argument. It turns out, it can be spelled both ways. I Googled it!

I was thinking about Emmanuel Lewis when she said Webster, too! I used to watch that show growing up! He is a black belt in Karate! Not many people know that about him. He is also very nice.

I love Jack Nicholson! In "As Good As It Gets" he was hilarious! He is quite attractive, although I know he is no good!

That Cheshire Cat smile is a warning that he is trouble! I think the best part of that film and most true, was when he said "It is not that you have it so bad that ticks you off, it is that everyone else has it so good."

I am a Management major, actually. We have to take Finance, though. I hate it! I am all for learning about investments, but think they should have kept this one over two terms instead of one. All of that work for such a short time period is too difficult for most people. We have a new term every 10 weeks. Each class is over $2,500.

Dear kat,

I read that eating too many eggs can cause Albumin in the kidneys. I am not sure if it poses a danger, however. I would like to pursue more research on that. It will be interesting. There is bound to be a reported cause of it somewhere!

The information you have on peptides is very fascinating! Where did you learn this? I agree that emotions can have severe negative effects on your health. The actual energy can harm. My faith is very aware of how energy can hurt or help you.

Dear Judy,

I am sorry to hear about your ANS Disease. Can that cause hyper reflexes? I have those. My doctor told me that last year. I know Lyme could trigger something like that. My Thyroid is also hyper, so I know that could contribute as well.

Dear Bev,

I hate to hear of your herxation heiniousity! Is it as bad as the last herx? Or is it better? Meanwhile, I think you made the right decision not going on the trip. You know what your body can and cannot handle right now. When you get better, you can go to Korea and everywhere else!

Dear Andrea,

I am glad to hear T is doing pretty well. Hopefully the aches will go away soon. Those are no fun! She sure is a tough one! Did you say they unblocked her pathways this morning?

Dear Charlie,

I wish I could tell you about the mobilization of mercury in other parts of the body. I do not know much about foot pads. Rachel really is the expert on redistribution of toxic metals! There are so many factors that are involved in this. I hope you figure this out soon! How have you and your sister been lately?

Dear Donna,

I cannot honestly say when my emotional upheaval started, either. I think it was probably around ten years go. After I got to be about 14 years old, that is when things began getting much worse with my stomach and other issues. About the same time my stomach problems started, my cousin got very ill and no one could find out what was wrong. Derek and I always were close. I thought that might have been why I was sick, because I was worrying about him.

I also was nervous about going to high school. That did not help. We have lost many pets over the years, too. Plus, my parents and I particularly did not get along after my teenage years. Sometimes, things even got physical. I do not think the mental scars ever went away.

As I got older, the differences between us have not gotten any better. Then, add the financial difficulties from doctor bills and all of the other lousy things that have occurred over the past few years, and you really have a lot of emotional issues. We lost a bunch of people very quickly. My great aunt died from heart trouble, a co-worker of my mother's died in a terrible car wreck, and she was younger than me.

My aunt died of cancer on Mother's Day of that same year, not but about three months later than the other tragedies. More recently, on top of the medical bills, and the stress of school and owing them, I have a business I am trying to get going and my parents tell me to just go out and get a job, like it is that easy when you are barely able to function on a daily basis.

I also was defrauded by a collection agency, then a Web site building company. I lost my bank account, and owe the credit union over $100 in overdraft charges from the fraud.

Everything feels so hopeless much of the time. You ask God why you are being punished. Why am I cursed? Why do you hate me? Those are what comes to mind.

This is especially so after this morning. I got one of those horrible sharp pains in my colon today. I had a day the other week like that. I think I know the culprit, too. If I recall correctly, creamed corn was what I ate a couple of days prior. It takes about that long to go through your system.

I just wonder why I tolerate popcorn, tortilla chips, kernel corn, but not creamed corn? It was gluten-free for sure. Why is it so difficult to digest? Or, I could be developing new sensitivities. Just what I need! Stupid Leaky-Gut!

Sincerely,

Jin

[Rachel--24]

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. Just need to say

I'm not talking about emotions. I'm talking about thoughts. Pure energy.

Ta

I think that the thoughts and energy can definately interfere with the normal functioning and disrupt the entire ANS as Dr. Klinghardt describes.

I also think when someone goes from completely normal functioning to completely abnormal functionting....virtually overnight.....without any change in thinking, behaviors, emotions....and with no traumas coming into play....there can be outside sources that have disrupted the autonomic nervous system.

From what I read the electrical currents caused by a galvanic reaction can have devastating effects on the ANS....not to mention the significant release of mercury and other heavy metals.

I think something like this can have the same effects on the cells that you're describing and can certainly then be exacerbated by thoughts, feelings and energy but in this case the exacerbation would be caused by an already malfunctioning ANS.

I dont think in this type of situation the problem can be solved without removing the metals stored in the body. The thoughts and energies will continue to not be processed correctly triggering flare-ups of symptoms.

I think in *most* cases of chronic illness there is a slow decline in health that takes months or even years for someone to realize they are actually *in* a state of chronic unwellness.

This is how my situation differs from most....I did not experience a slow decline...it basically happened almost overnight and the symptoms were severe enough to keep me from functioning and making me unable to even go to work.

Because of this...my Dr.'s say the metals is the main issue and if we can remove them I should not suffer from the infections....I should be able to regain much of my health from the heavy metal detox alone. The infections werent severely affecting my health prior to the incident and they still dont appear to be huge stressors.

The only infection which IS a big stressor is the candida/molds...but that is in proportion to the degree of heavy metal toxicity I'm dealing with....a "protective" infection.

I dont think there is any way to correct the situation without removing the source of stress on the ANS.

It makes sense that the same connections would be made in my brain (associated with the stress of my illness/breakup) and the same peptides would be sent to the cells....triggering the same reactions under any type of stress.

However, those symptoms were occuring immediately after my crowns got put in and the first triggers were involving stresses at work...everyday stresses that were never a problem before.

I didnt realize how sick I was in the initial months and was under the impression it could be easily corrected with thyroid treatment. I had no idea how bad things would get or that my relationship would end.

The first stressors were involving everyday stessors....even while driving I could not cope with the normal stresses of traffic, etc. Normal arguements with my partner would trigger massive head pain, burning senstations, blurred vision, weakness and fatigue.

I couldnt cope with normal everyday situations from the start so in no way would I be able to cope with the stress of Dr.'s constantly telling me "its all in my head" and then a break-up on top of it.

But the "misfiring" that seems to occur with any shift in emotion....and it doesnt necessarily have to be negative....has been there from the start. Even a burst of excitement or if I'm startled by someone can set things off....theres an "imbalance" that cant be corrected as long as the cause is still there.

[CarlaB]

Oh yeah, engineering! I dingo'd it!

Yes, I've always had a blast in Mexico! I was an exchange student down there for a summer. GREAT fun! Actually, it was right before Mexico that I met my husband and we went out some for a few weeks ... no commitment or intention to be exclusive, in fact, we didn't date the following year. I met and dated someone else in Mexico.

Neither wanted to date me the following year, and that was when I got sick the first time. Men. They'll make you sick.

I've been to Mexico many times since and always do have a great time, though my Spanish is rusty. Still understand 95% of it, but can't remember words ... heck, I can't even remember words in ENGLISH!

I managed apts. in Houston and most of the staff was from Colombia. I never went around the maintenance supervisor except for one day after months of working there. I told one of the guys to move some chairs around the pool and do some other clean-up. The VP was coming and I wanted it to look nice. The maids came in my office later and were like this ... they would clean my office talking to each other assuming I didn't understand!

Oh, and it was not code for anything really, just pledged a sorority and found other things to do. Class got in the way sometimes!

Rachel, I think your body was probably already stuggling with Lyme exposure (I think that happened first, but can't remember) and your SAD diet. I look around and most people don't look healthy. Diet plays a big role. So, I think when the galvanic reaction happened, you overwhelmed your stressed system. Then the relationship stress added to it, or maybe was worse because of it.

[CarlaB]

I just wonder why I tolerate popcorn, tortilla chips, kernel corn, but not creamed corn? It was gluten-free for sure. Why is it so difficult to digest?

Dairy.

[NoGluGirl]

Dear Everybody,

This morning, when I had my gastric attack, I thought I was going to give birth to something it felt so bad! Stupid alien babies! I have a question about this, though. Has anyone ever been in so much abdominal pain they started seeing spots? Is that weird?

Sincerely,

Jin

[Rachel--24]

Rachel, I think your body was probably already stuggling with Lyme exposure (I think that happened first, but can't remember) and your SAD diet. I look around and most people don't look healthy. Diet plays a big role. So, I think when the galvanic reaction happened, you overwhelmed your stressed system. Then the relationship stress added to it, or maybe was worse because of it.

I really dont think I was struggling with Lyme...and I've never had symptoms of it.... the Dr.'s dont seem to think that was the case either. They dont think I am particularly vulnerable to the Lyme.

I could have had the infection most of my life but its only sitting in my head....where the most metals/toxins are stored.

Ever since that was determined with ART and the CD57 backs it up....Lyme is not really discussed much at my Dr. appts. as it doesnt appear to be a big issue for me. We're treating it with the herbal things and thats about it.

My Dr.s all think along the same line as Dr. K....in that the infections are secondary. Obviously if the infections were able to get out of control then there would be more concern...but thats not the case for me. I'm just one of hundreds of thousands of people infected with Lyme..and never got sick from it. They feel my body was coping with Lyme toxins just fine....I wasnt affected by it.

They'll be watching the infection closely as I go through detox to make sure it never has the opportunity to become a more serious threat while my system is still weak from the metals.

I'm honestly not very afraid of it.

Even with the Lyme and with my SAD and smoking....I did not look or feel unhealthy. I had very healthy skin, hair and body weight. I had good energy and not only worked 40+ hours, but went out and had fun, took care of my home, played softball, had a relationship and commuted daily (about 90 minutes each way).

I did all of that and never looked or felt sick at all. People always commented on how well I took care of myself, my skin, hair, etc. They would say I looked young because I took good care of myself. They'd be shocked when I told then I didnt do anything for my skin and I ate mostly fast food and smoked for 14 years.

I agree that alot of people do look unhealthy in this country but I know I didnt fall into that category.

The day before I had my crowns put in if anyone would have asked me to rate my health on a scale of 1-10...I would have said 15.

Two months later it was down to a 1 and I know it had nothing to do with Lyme....the infection is not active....even now after having been sick for 5 years its still inactive.

If the infection isnt active it cant be putting too much stress on your immune system. My diet/smoking would have been putting me more at risk then the Lyme.

Thats the thing about Lyme...just *having* it doesnt mean you'll ever get sick from it....many many people dont ever get symptoms from Lyme exposure.

Even people like me who are very very sick...may not be sick from Lyme at all. Thats why testing needs to be thorough and CD57's, ART, energetic testing, etc.....can all be very useful in determining exactly whats going on with the Lyme.

I think this in itself has *alot* to do with why people dont improve when aggresively treating Lyme. It might not even be the Lyme thats causing their symptoms.....or the Lyme symptoms may not be as severe as symptoms produced by other co-existing factors.