Omg...i Might Be On To Something

[Rachel--24]

I completely disagreed with this and searched for other answers, I felt that a healthy body should be able to process all good sources of carbs in moderation (like whole grains, fruits, starchy vegetables, etc).

Julie....this was my thinking as well. I didnt last too long on the candida boards because the process made no sense to me....and it obviously didnt solve my problems. I was spinning my wheels.

I'll be the first to admit that eliminating carbs can reduce alot of symptoms...but I dont think we were meant to live on such a restricted diet. I'm 100% positive that for over 30 years I handled these foods just fine. Heck...I didnt even know what "bloating" was until 5 years ago when this mess started.

This is the exact reason I continued to search for the root cause. I just dont believe that the candida diet "cures" and I dont think it is necessarily healthy to remove so many beneficial foods from the diet. I suffered major constipation while on the strictest candida diet.

Right now I will continue the diet knowing that I'm addressing underlying issues and hopefully will improve the gut situation as I move forward. I do feel better not eating carbs/sugar because my fungal issues are so severe.

Getting to the root cause is the most important factor in regaining health. I dont consider my diet to be healthy for me as it is right now...when I can eat whole grains, fruit, yams, etc...then I will know that I'm making progress.

Most of our immune system resides in the GI tract...its essential to recover that proper balance.

Right now my gut is loaded with mercury, yeast and who knows what else.....eliminating carbs forever is not gonna do much to improve the situation. The bugs might be hungry...but they certainly arent *gone*...they will definately take off once we add those foods back in.

I dont think the dysbiosis is easily corrected as long as we are harboring toxins.

Once again I felt a strong desire to share that over here. Glad you found it helpful and encouraging!

Julie....if you're still having alot of symptoms from food intolerances you might be interested in the thread on oxalates. Patti's topic... which is here in the Leaky Gut forum.

I had been mostly following this diet for more than a year now...just not knowing that it was an "oxalate" thing. I think this is a link for me...it looks like it comes down to foods high in oxalates, sulfur and molds. Those would be the main things for me.

These are all associated with heavy metals so it definately makes sense for my personal situation. I have found that if it works for autistic children...it also works for me. Its been that way from the start.

I think you might want to peek into the oxalates and see if it might be beneficial for you. Robbin is doing wonderfully on this diet.

You can read my thoughts about its relationship with mercury on that thread.

[Rachel--24]

Unfortunately, because of the fungal issues my immune system is highly reactive to anything containing the slightest amounts of yeast/molds. Fermented foods are totally out for me...all of them. Its a heinosity that I think will improve immensely as my mercury burden is lessened.

[tom]

I can understand your anger over it. It ticks me off, too, to think that a month of abx when I was a kid would have prevented a lifetime of suffering.

I was in the thread when the call came.

What hit so hard was that previously these thoughts were largely speculation. The bit about 4 yr old eyes was unsolicited - totally out of the blue. She didn't say "when you were little". She said four.

It's the first and only objective datapoint/anecdote on the subject.

More than just a different spin on the landscape, it's a landscape stripmined of ambiguity and uncertainty.

That's a transition I'm not immediately at peace w/.

But . . . .feeling a little better already. What can we do? Everyone here had something happen that they wish hadn't.

[jerseyangel]

Just catching up...

Hi Julie I was so sorry to read that you had another outbreak. I think you are on the right track, though. Thanks for popping back in--I think about you often and wonder how you're doing.

Tom, Your post about broke my heart....four, so young, and so many years. It's hard to know what to say--I feel that I had a lot of years taken away, but that started when I was about 29. It's been so much longer for you--just not fair . Hope you get to feeling better soon.

Hi to everyone else--Andrea, I hope your tooth socket is better and things are going better in general. I am sorry I missed your call recently--it would be nice to catch up.

[NoGluGirl]

Dear Darn210,

Thank you for wishing us all well! We appreciate it! It is difficult at times to deal with chronic illness. Hopefully, I will be dealing with chronic wellness soon. That would be nice!

On this thread, we do try not to take ourselves too seriously all of the time. It is not good to do that. Laughter is good medicine. Our little town has a lot of unusual silliness. We even have our own vocabulary! How many towns can brag about that?

Dear tom,

I hope to hear from Housekat again soon. She has not PMed me for a few days. If she is anything like me, she is loaded with things all over the house to do! Between laundry and dishes, there is enough to keep me busy. Then you add the cooking I have to do, and there is more! I would love to drop all of that to meet her for a bit.

You did better talking like a pirate than me! Too bad there is no talk like a poet day. I could do that! Nikki probably did great! Susie likely did well, too!

I am glad you saw a post from Bev. I was beginning to worry! Sorry to hear she wanted to make you walk the soy plank! Thank goodness you did not have to do that! Your brain might have gone forever!

You are right. Everything in Rachelville is your fault! That is the way it is here. One day, maybe a new guy will come in here, and you can blame him! We have all kinds of people pop in and out, so you never know when you may get that chance!

I am sorry you were having a rough time after the phone call today. I think we all have had days like that. They are difficult to deal with emotionally. HUGS! There are so many times that it is difficult not to be resentful about having to go through this Hell. Somedays, I wonder what I did to make God hate me so much.

I agree, that Judy saying she loved the closed journals for privacy, but was glad Robbin opened hers was a good oxymoron!

That is so funny! I started thinking the same thing when I read it. Privacy is good, so you can only have who you want to see it view your entries. I did not know about that stuff until others told about it.

The oregano oil is very caustic to the skin. I would imagine inside or out. There are a lot of things to consider before using a spice oil. Caution is best with those. Oregano oil needs administered in very small amounts, too if used for yeast due to the die-off being really extreme if used full-force on it.

Dear Judy,

I am sorry to hear about your bad week. It is good to know you are recovering now. Trips can put you under a lot of stress. Sometimes, that is enough to mess up your system. We tend to overdo it, and our bodies take the worst of it.

Maybe I should check the oxolates thread out. It could not hurt. Patti started it? I do not know much if anything about oxolates. Something might help me out from that thread. I am glad it has helped Robbin.

Dear Carla,

I wish Darn210 would stick around, too! She sounds like she has some good input. I am glad it was stuff from the Silly Thread, because at first I thought I had missed something! I got a bit worried, there. Whew, that was close! I was like, "Where was that post?"

Anger is not good to harbor. I try not to hold grudges, but do not know how to let go of the hurt. It definitely does not help anything. One thing is for certain, that bad energy actually physically harms you. The best revenge against your enemies is to succeed.

Three probiotic supplements sounds like it should do it! That is a lot of good bugs! I am sure they will work now. The Uva Ursi, Oregano Oil and others you take are bound to destroy the bad bacteria. I wonder if my probiotic is working, because I take Prilosec, and I know they can interfere with absorption of vitamins and nutrients.

Dear Mia,

You may not like this muscle tester as much. It is difficult to get used to someone else. I always hate having to switch doctors or anything else. This always stresses me out. You finally get used to one person, and then you have to get used to another!

Waiting for those test results is probably driving you crazy about now. Is it going to take a couple of weeks or so? That is the usual time. Personally, I think that is too long. I am not patient, though.

The burden on your liver and pancreas must be terrible! Those supplements may be a good idea. As long as you tested well for them, they should do fine. Trying new things is difficult when your system is so fragile. Any little thing setting it off tends to make us all nervous.

ROTFLMAO! Your pee story reminded me of another one. There was this episode of House, MD where John Cho plays a patient. He is there getting a urine test, and did not know where to take the sample. House is walking down the hall, and he accidentally runs into him and spills the specimen on him. House chews the guy out, and another doctor tells him he should apologize for yelling at him.

House says "Well, he peed on me, sort of, and I am just not into that." The man turns the corner, and House gets ready to apologize to him, then discovers he is having a stroke. Naturally, everyone blames House for the stroke. That ticks him off, like everything else. It was a great episode.

Dear Rachel,

Thank you for the links! The scientificness was great! Autoimmunity is something that is often misunderstood. That really helped explain it better. It makes a lot more sense now. Similarities between candida and gluten were also great to have more on.

The Candida and carbohydrate information was fascinating! I am also relieved by that. Going low-carb was something I never could do due to the low blood sugar. Underlying causes are a major problem. Most of the time, this aspect is neglected in medicine. The link is in my favorites!

There is a human version of the Parvo Virus?! I had no idea! I thought dogs only got that disease. It probably has mutated into a strain we can contract. Environmental toxins play a role in that.

I bet I am dominated by D1. I do worse when taking echinacea. Once, I took it for a cold and got worse. It turns out, if you are sensitive to pollen in astar plants, you should not take it. D1 dominant people also tend to do better on caffeine, which I do. Without it, I can hardly function. I wonder, since you had Graves' Disease, how do you know if you have it? Will your overactive Thyroid only show in T3 and T4 hormone panels, or only in TSH? I know the presence of antibodies is key to it as well.

Dear Janet,

Yeast is a major issue for me as well. I am frustrated by it. The trouble it causes in the GI tract alone is scary. Add the ringing in the ears and 100 plus physical symptoms it causes by itself, and you have one of the most versatile pathogens known to man. Yeast is the ultimate opportunist.

Dear melmak5,

Bacterial dysbiosis is a good possibility. Giardia is nasty, I hope it is not the source of your trouble. However, if so, I am sure prompt treatment will help you recover much quicker. H. pylori is one of those that really is hard to kill. Sherry suggested mastic gum, which is terrific for killing it off.

Another helpful item for destroying h. pylori is broccoli. It contains a chemical called sulfurophane. The bacteria cannot survive with it present. One ounce of broccoli is the dosage. That is about three florets.

I would suspect mold and yeasts as part of your problem. The reason is the food journal you kept. You did a great job keeping it thorough! Your reactions often seemed to occur after eating high carbohydrate foods. Again, the gallbladder will be a good suspect if you got indigestion from the ginger. Ginger tends to irritate more than help the indigestion caused by the gallbladder for some reason.

Dear Julie,

That is awful about you having another outbreak! I am glad it is better than it was. Getting to the cause of angioedema is difficult. You are probably on the right track, though. Autoimmunity is a serious issue facing many of us.

Congratulations on completing the 5K! Way to go! Even better, it was for a good cause! My grandmother has Alzheimer's. I would not wish that disease on my worst enemy. I think some of the cures are already in existence, but doctors refuse to accept mercury and other things can cause it.

Dear Kassandra,

I believe that mold could be causing your fatigue. I am exposed to mold all the time, and am sure it is making me sick.

Some people react whether or not the mold is toxic. Fatigue is one of the most common symptoms of toxic mold exposure. Truthfully, if the mold is not toxic, you may still become very ill from it if you are sensitive to mold or have Candida. One of the easiest ways to test for this is if possible to stay at someone else's house or in a motel for a few days and see if you get better.

Dear Patti,

Hello Angel Spice! We are glad to see you! Our friend tom's post broke my heart as well. I have a lot of days like that.

Frustration certainly is difficult to overcome at times. All of the lost time can really depress you. Just think, if I would have been diagnosed in 2000 instead, I might have been tall!

Dear Andrea,

We will all be anxious to hear about S. His report will hopefully not be too bad. The poor little guy has had it rough. Maybe there will be some good news. Since things change each time there is a treatment, that can make things confusing. It is good they give you a written report.

Isn't it strange how you could be too acidic when you expected to be alkaline? I suspect I am too acidic. Wouldn't it be weird if I tested too alkaline? That might be the case. I read that to get you off of those proton-pump-inhibitors like I am taking, naturopaths actually give you hydrochloric acid tablets because people on the PPIs usually do not have enough stomach acid.

Dear Donna,

When are you supposed to get your test results back? In a couple of weeks? I know the neurotransmitter situation might have to do with the autoimmunity Rachel was discussing. Once you get your results, that will help determine your sleep issues a little more. At least you were doing better lately.

Dear Sherry,

Milk is bad for a lot of people. You have to wonder if we were ever meant to consume it in the first place. It is not easy for most people to tolerate. Dr. Barry Sears believes that is why so many individuals are lactose intolerant, because man has not evolved enough physically to tolerate it automatically. His hypothesis makes sense to me.

I have a lactose issue. Casein does not seem to cause me so much trouble, if any. Still, it is good to use it sparingly. I normally only allow myself cheese twice a week at the most. Erring on the side of caution is best.

Dear Everyone,

I would have been on here much sooner had my computer not been down. It pooped out on me. Dad had to fix it. This thing is so stupid sometimes! My computer froze for twelve hours, and then refused to let me turn it off or restart it.

Sincerely,

Jin

[mftnchn]

Hello everyone.

Melmark, I am curious about that you feel better when you don't eat. Have you ever fasted for 5 days to a week? If so what happens then?

I agree with many other things said for you to consider. Probably your diet will need to be very simple. What about crock pot soups and stews that can be ready when you arrive home?

Also I am curious about worse bloating after the probiotics. I'd check the ingredients to make sure there isn't milk, soy, etc. Also, Rachel, I think you mentioned taking the pills out of the capsules because the capsules were upsetting you?

I am wishing you the best, hoping that the answer is simple. However, many of us have discovered it is complex--and involves toxins like heavy metals, plus many other things in the diet.

[mftnchn]

Well I am even more curious about the effect of the detox baths on me. I had the strong allergy symptoms (headache/sinus issues, sore throat and asthma/fatigue) after I did the baths on Wed and Thur, was the worst on Friday and then much better on Sat and fine since (well just mild allergy symptoms like I had before). Three friends also had bad allergy symptoms Friday--so it still could be environmental and not related to my baths.

So any suggestions about when to do the baths, in terms of how close to my flagyl days (2 a week--this stirs the lyme up to come out of the cystic form) and DMPS (2 days every 2 weeks)?

[mftnchn]

Restricting foods more and more is really hard. I have resisted doing too much as long as I am getting along. Especially with my travel schedule--my current restrictions are already hard.

However, I seem to be on a plateau again in terms of my gut healing. Trying to figure out whether to be patient and wait and see or to try further restrictions. I have been intrigued with the discussion about oxylates and nightshades, and also the sulfur pathways. Not sure I *get* it all though.

Maybe I will stick it out until January when I get back to the States and can check on my mercury levels to see if I am making any progress.

[christine 25]

The only new thing they added in yesterday was Trace Minerals....to be put into my water every day.

I hope its not the Trace Mineral drops I took before I got sick.

Read the back of the bottle, they usually are derived from the great salt lake, or from various coal, shale mining landfill operations.

Arsenic, lead, uraninum, lithium.... all in Trace amounts,,, we dont need that poison.

If thats what it is... Please, What every you do, read the bottle, and dont take any of that CRAP.

Remember all the research Ive, done and been through, and the rants I would tell you about,,, just watch out for the trace mineral, or colloidal mineral drop products,,,they are evil, take at your own risk, thats the stuff in NDF, by the way...

Im glad your doing well, I dont want to see you get poisoned again.

Ive been there.

Hi everyone, glad all is well here. I am doing okay!

finishing up school, taking 5 classes, dating and working!!!

Im super busy, Ive had way less head pain, since im on YAZ, its helped ..I think balancing the hormones is part of my problem also.

peace yall.!

[NoGluGirl]

Dear Sherry,

Rachel did say the gelatin capsule irritated her system. That may be the trouble for melmak5. Mine are not in gelatin capsules. They do not contain anything that could hurt me. I definitely feel worse when I do not take mine.

The detox baths may have caused bad symptoms due to removing toxins. If you draw out too many too quickly, that will occur. Donna has had that happen. She got very sick for a little bit. Her epsom salt baths have to be limited, or she gets very weak.

How to take the detox baths in correlation with your treatment is a good question. I think that is important. Timing has to do with so much! As far as your allergy symptoms go, the environmental problems could be the trouble. China has a lot of air pollution. I recall reading about people in the Peace Corps becoming ill while there due to the exposure they experienced to environmental toxins.

Oxylates are a possibility. Nightshades are a problem for a lot of people. I am going to check that out myself. The dietary restrictions are difficult. I have no idea how you do it and travel. I need to do a rotation diet and keep a food journal. That is one thing not yet done. It could lead to some interesting results.

Dear Christine,

Thank you for warning us about that supplement! How scary is that? I will keep my eye out for those supplements. The heavy metals being present would explain why Rachel got so sick from the NDF. It was a terrible setback for her.

I am glad to hear you are doing pretty well. Kassandra is on YAZ as well. She really likes it. Headaches are often hormonally related. Migraines run in our family, so my aunt, mother, and I suffer from them.

I have no idea how you are doing all of that at once! My energy level is pretty poor a lot of the time. I am doing better now that I have added a bit of salt to my diet. My blood pressure was low, making me feel funky. I still have a long way to go before I feel good, but the small improvement is welcome!

Sincerely,

Jin

[jerseyangel]

Hi Jin

Glad to hear you got your computer problem fixed--or should I say your dad got it fixed Yes, lost time can make us resentful--it's good, I think, to feel it when reminded of it and then try and appreciate the present. I have my moments, too, so I really understand where you, Tom and everyone else with this are coming from.

[ami27]

This is so typical, but infuriating nonetheless! I have had to pay for all these medical/dental treatments upfront and then submit them to my health and dental insurance. I've been hoping for re-imbursement, but not expecting it for the health stuff. I really didn't think I'd have a problem with my dental insurance. But, here's the explanation of benefits (or lack thereof) that I got back.

THE PLAN BENEFIT FOR A COMPOSITE (TOOTH COLORED) RESTORATION ON MOLAR TEETH IS BASED ON THE ALTERNATE BENEFIT OF AN AMALGAM (SILVER) RESTORATION.

Soooo my dentist charged me $314 for a composite filling in 2 of my molars where amalgams were removed. They only covered $182 of that since that is the cost of an amalgam. I COULD have had amalgam fillings put back in to save my out of pocket expense That is all levels of wrong in my opinion. I called to make sure I understood it correctly. I wanted to bring up the fact that amalgams are dangerous and such to the woman I was talking to. But, I refrained, because there isn't a thing she can do about it and she probably wouldn't get it anyway. I feel bad for people that don't know and continue to get these toxic things put in their mouths just to save money or just because they are not informed of the dangers

[melmak5]

NoGluGirl - I can most defiantly try some broccoli and see if that does anything.

I have been eating ginger and it does not seem to create any different response.

mftnchn - I cannot fast for that long. I have mild hypoglycemia and if I go for extended periods of time without food I get dizzy, shaky and pass out.

I think the bacteria are still thriving, because the only time I felt well was during the first course of antibiotics. I am nervous about taking any other herbs and breaking out in hives again, but I also would like my waste band and abdomen back under control.

[melmak5]

And...

Both probiotics are gluten/wheat/dairy/casein/soy free.

I just regurgitated peppermint tea. I think the bacteria never got killed and are making babies in my intestines like its 1999.

[rinne]

Hi all, back from the folk festival and what a wonderful time it was. I sold rinne bars for the first time and they were a success, it was such fun to watch people's faces go from MMMMMM to WOW, here are a few comments that people wrote down, (I know I'm bragging but I can't resist )

"The best treat I've ever had in my life." "Yummy yummy in my tummy! The is nothing less than AWESOME." "You can tell they are healthy, but they are not gross healthy." "Scrumptious, rich."....

Of the two hundred that sold, and some came back for a second and a few for a third, there was only one person on a gluten free diet and when she saw them was like, "I'm in heaven" It was sooooo much fun and it left me feeling like I really want to see everyone have them.

Thank you all for your support, without Rachelville I don't know that I would have had the energy to take on such a project. :wub:

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We did buy another house, in the commercial district of our town. Adam's putting his office in it. A very cool, historical victorian. In the downtown revitalization plans, it's considered a landmark. So, we are very excited about that, too. More income is always a good thing with all these medical bills and kids in college.

I remember this, how is it going? So exciting.

Hi everyone! I'm here, just not in a posty mood, lol.

Hi Rinne!!!!

Yes, my toes are currently kind of a pinky purple with silver stars and silver foil strip tape.

Nice to see you and hear about those fabulous toes, photos?

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Dear Rinne,

....

I am glad you are feeling better again. Setbacks are always frustrating. You may do great for a while, and then you feel rough for a while. That always tends to make me worry. After improving, you fear going back to the way you were before.

Dear Jin, thanks so much for the warm welcome back, I feel right at home.

Ahh.. I remember why i love this place I knew it was the only place I could tell my pee story and have poeple understand and laugh with me.

...

Hi Miamia, I hope you see positive changes in the test results.

I competely agree with you about the pee story.

I've never told anyone about not knowing how to open the sauna door, somehow I know they just wouldn't get how funny it was.

One Christmas, I was about 5 or 6 and had had a mini-glass of champagne ... and it was LATE ... I was sitting at the table laying my head down when my grandfather walked into the room, I picked my head up and said, "Here come de judge." LOL

Part 1

[rinne]

Part 2

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HAVE BEEN SICK FOR A WEEK AFTER TRIP AWAY BUT........ON THE MEND NOW.

JUDY

HI JUDY, SENDING HUGS AND

Anyone in the mood for scientificness??

Thanks Rachel, I don't know that I got it all but the information about candida and celiac is just mind blowing when you think about it, it also makes a whole lot of sense that people who have never had a problem with gluten develop celiac. Wow.

Just popping in to say hi to everyone.

Hi Julie. So nice to you, hope you are feeling better soon.

I'M SO GLAD ROBBIN HAS UN LOCKED THE AUG 17TH ONE ...........IT IS JUST AMAZING HOW FAR SHE HAS PROGRESSED.

LOVE TO YOU ALL WHO I MISSED SAYING 'HI' TOO.

JUDY

I'M SO GLAD ROBBIN IS MAKING PROGRESS, I AM DEFINITELY GOING TO CHECK OUT PATTI'S THREAD, THANKS FOR THE UPDATE.

At the suggestion of NoGluGirl I am asking for some help. (I posted in the "coping" section and got some good responses, but I would love your suggestions.)

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Hi and welcome.

Hi Kassandra.

Just catching up...

Hi Patti, I'm looking forward to checking out your thread.

Hi Christine.

This is so typical, but infuriating nonetheless! I have had to pay for all these medical/dental treatments upfront and then submit them to my health and dental insurance. I've been hoping for re-imbursement, but not expecting it for the health stuff. I really didn't think I'd have a problem with my dental insurance. But, here's the explanation of benefits (or lack thereof) that I got back.

....

Hi, you have my agreement. IMO if health was the focus of our so called health care system, which includes the insurance industry, we would be but since money is the focus the insanity prevails and in the end it is purely more profitable to see us sick.

Here's a poem, from me to all of you.

The sun rises in the east

and sets in the west

but what do I know of direction?

Empty, save for this moment.

All the trees spilling gold

leaves falling everywhere,

you are not even a moment away.

[Rachel--24]

I hope its not the Trace Mineral drops I took before I got sick.

Read the back of the bottle, they usually are derived from the great salt lake, or from various coal, shale mining landfill operations.

Arsenic, lead, uraninum, lithium.... all in Trace amounts,,, we dont need that poison.

If thats what it is... Please, What every you do, read the bottle, and dont take any of that CRAP.

Thanks for the warning. I dont seem to have a problem with my trace minerals. They're an important part of detox and healing. You cant detox very well without minerals....your body will not let go of the metals.

My Dr. only uses the high quality stuff...nothing that you can pick up at the store. There is no mention of great salt lake or coal mines on my bottle.

I dont think theres any lead, arsenic or anything toxic...I will ask my Dr. to be sure though. It doesnt mention those things on the bottle.

Remember all the research Ive, done and been through, and the rants I would tell you about,,, just watch out for the trace mineral, or colloidal mineral drop products,,,they are evil, take at your own risk, thats the stuff in NDF, by the way...

NDF does not contain any minerals. I'm looking at a bottle of it right now. Its about as pure as you can get...all it contains is organic chlorella, organic cilantro and strains of probiotics.

Check it out:

NDF™ Quality Control Measures

1. Six different sources of Chlorella were evaluated for heavy metal contamination, and only two were found to be contaminant and mold free. These are the ones that we use.

2.The micronization process occurs in a closed, sterile environment. Given that the process breaks down the cell walls of Chlorella and the probiotics, any other spore or microbe present (there are none) would also be killed.

3.The water used is of the utmost purity in the world. It is regularly checked for contamination by an independent lab.

4. Post micronization, the material is tinctured in 3 column distilled, 4 stage filtered grain neutral spirits. The alcohol level is at 20%, serving as a preservative and sterilizing agent.

5. The bottles and droppers are sterilized in 10% hydrogen peroxide and then rinsed with UV sterilized reverse osmosis water. Certificate of sterility of final product from Primus Labs on file.

BioRay uses these third party labs to insure the absence of heavy metals; Am TEST Labs as well as the absence of pathogens like yeast, mold and bacteria; PrimusLabs.

Theres nothing evil in NDF as far as I can tell.

The heavy metals being present would explain why Rachel got so sick from the NDF

Jin...no worries...there are no heavy metals in NDF.

NDF is a chelator and I took too much of it at a time when my body wasnt ready for it...and I was not taking anything for support. I also have problems with chlorella....which is one of the two main ingredients.

[Rachel--24]

Also I am curious about worse bloating after the probiotics. I'd check the ingredients to make sure there isn't milk, soy, etc. Also, Rachel, I think you mentioned taking the pills out of the capsules because the capsules were upsetting you?

I do take my supplements out of the capsule but as far as probiotics go....I dont take them at all. I havent taken any probiotics in over a year because they give me problems.

Also I read this and I'm not sure if this is the reason I've had problems....but I figure I dont want to take chances. Probiotics dont make me feel better so I steer clear for now.

When people have mercury amalgams or just have elevated mercury in their body, the friendly bacteria (probiotics) will convert the mercury into methyl mercury, which is at least 100 times more toxic than ordinary mercury.

Research shows that oral bacteria, yeast and probiotics all methylate mercury, so you should minimize any contact between the bacteria and your mercury.

The methylation of mercury could explain some of the adverse reactions reported by parents and patients who have begun detox with massive doses of probiotics to correct dysbiosis.

Ummmm...no thanks. I will pass on the probiotics!

[ami27]

I had my second chelation IV today. I am very tired now. It takes 2 hours for the IV to complete. I should have taken a nap while it was going, but I read instead. I thought I was going in tomorrow for it, but my trusty Outlook calendar reminder let me know today was the day. I asked the doctor about lyme, parasites and candida. He explained that they are treating any candida that gets stirred up with supplements they are giving me. I also drink a big glass of Aqua Flora while the IV is dripping. He also said that they always treat metals first. Then they treat symptoms as they appear for lyme. He said there is no accurate test for it so they are aware that it can be hidden by the heavy metal toxicity and treat it if it shows up. He also said I have no symptoms which would lead him to believe I had parasites. But, if they showed up they would then treat those as well. I have 3 more chelation treatments and then I'll take another fecal and urine test to see where I'm at. Meanwhile, I'm also taking new thyroid meds and hormones. The other day when I was feeling bad I found out that I ate something that had oat flour in it. I'm certain that's what did me in. My neighbor and I were out for our nightly walk and her husband drove up with some 'apple chips' and he offered us both some. Why in the world I took one I'll never know. I never eat anything without checking the ingredients. But, I guess I wanted to appear normal That night I went home and was wiped out. It wasn't until the next afternoon I looked it up to read the ingredients and sure enough I bet that's what zapped me. Aside from this minor setback I have really been feeling better and having more energy. I'm not 100% yet, but I feel like I'll be there sooner than later.

[mftnchn]

Here's a link that you all might find useful. It sounds corny, but is an interesting blend of acupuncture points and some of the brain mechanisms found useful for forms of therapy like EMDR (helps with trauma).

Given information like what Dr. K says about how psychological issues can block healing, I think this is worth a try. The manual is free, and it doesn't take long to learn or do. We can even use our troubling symptom as the issue to use in the process.

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[christine 25]

NDF does not contain any minerals. I'm looking at a bottle of it right now. Its about as pure as you can get...all it contains is organic chlorella, organic cilantro and strains of probiotics.

I know you are super into research and obviously know if something was bad for you, you wouldnt take it.

I saw Trace minerals, and literally freaked out.

I dislike the Trace Minerals, concenrace liquid mins brand because they made ME sick.

The ones I took were derived from the great salt lake concerntrated brines, portions of which are polluted with mercury, and other chemicals. Depending on which part of the lake it was harvested from. After my chemical exposure, I started getting head swelling too, jaw pain and crazy thyroid feelings, and antiboides. Headaches. Food allergies, and hypercoagulation.

NDF Plus is the one with Fluvic Acid, which is really iffy. Fluvic binds with heavy meatls in nature, that gets put into the product, natual as it comes out of its source, it already has formed complexes with metals before its gotten into the bottle, and it goes in that way. Those companies dont chemically debond the arsenic?!

The regular NDF you were mentioning doesnt have Fluvic acid.

"NDF Plus

[AndreaB]

Tom,

I hope you are having a better day today. Sorry about the upset yesterday.

Soooo my dentist charged me $314 for a composite filling in 2 of my molars where amalgams were removed. They only covered $182 of that since that is the cost of an amalgam.

I knew about this but it is definately infuriating.

Hi all, back from the folk festival and what a wonderful time it was. I sold rinne bars for the first time and they were a success, it was such fun to watch people's faces go from MMMMMM to WOW, here are a few comments that people wrote down, (I know I'm bragging but I can't resist )

That sounds fantastic Rinne!!!!! I'm so excited for you! Can't wait to try those when they hit the states.

I do take my supplements out of the capsule but as far as probiotics go....I dont take them at all. I havent taken any probiotics in over a year because they give me problems.

We are all taking probiotics but we've had the testing done. I don't think Dr. E would have me taking them if it wasn't being covered by the chlorella and detox support that we are on.

I had my second chelation IV today.

Yay on the completion of another chelation!

Sorry about the oat flour, but glad you found the culprit.

[NoGluGirl]

Dear Patti,

It is important, as you said, to focus on the now. If we spend too much time dwelling on the past, we miss the present. There are times the past haunts us, and we cannot shake the dispair. However, without those moments, how would we know the bright ones? In order to experience pure joy, one must first suffer genuine pain.

Having each other makes the difficult times more bearable. Everyone here has had their share. Others who understand are essential in helping you through it. This is a bond that is very special. We all share this in Rachelville.

Dear Ami,

I am not surprised about the insurance refusing to pay much. They refuse many reasonable claims. The FDA is much happier with us being sick. Hundreds of billions of dollars in pills are earned every year. If everyone was well and could not use them, the FDA would be bankrupt.

The sad truth is, these materials that are allowed by insurance are the least expensive. They are also the most dangerous. Silver fillings are the worst! Mercury is a deadly poison that should never enter our bodies. Unfortunately, the American public is told to believe those fillings are safe, because the FDA says so.

It is great to hear it does not look like you have parasites! Hopefully, none will show up. The IV tends to make a lot of people tired and weak. Mia has had a difficult time with those in recent weeks. Perhaps you will begin to feel better soon. Meanwhile, the Candida is something many people deal with on here, so know you are not alone if you do have it!

Why on Earth do they put oat flour in apple chips anyway? There are so many products that have a lot of ingredients that do not need to be in them. Simple foods are safest. You are a human, and that is why you took a chip. Most people would assume it is safe, because you never would expect oat flour to be in apple chips.

Dear melmak5,

Peppermint aggravates reflux. Stay away from it in all forms! I got sick from it too, before having my gallbladder out especially. I used to suck on peppermint candies all the time, and found out they actually made me sicker. That probably is what made you ill earlier.

Did you mean you do not get any relief from ginger for the indigestion, or that it made it worse? If it is worse, the gallbladder is likely a part of the problem. You can get stones that pass between tests, and that seemed to be what happened to me. Mine nearly ruptured. It had been marred on the inside from gallstones, and was terribly inflamed and irritated.

I also suspect Candida and mold sensitivities. Candida can cause inflammatory bowel diseases, such as Crohn's. Who would have thought yeast could do that? Another give away is the low blood sugar. I get that as well. Sometimes, I get away with eating a half of a large potato, but if I eat a whole one, I get sick. A small baked potato is fine.

Reacting to herbs is not uncommon. Many people do for various reasons. Rashes are something I get all the time. Candida can cause them. Mine just pop up out of nowhere and then disappear. Reacting to food dyes is a typical issue for Candida sufferers. I have reacted to them since the age of three.

The bloating is something I have dealt with for some time. Not being able to fit into your clothing is a major problem. Candida is bad about that. One of the top symptoms is lower abdominal bloating. Nothing seems to get rid of it, either. This is extremely frustrating!

Dear Rachel,

Whew! That was a relief! I am glad you will not be taking anymore of that NDF! I know it made you quite ill. Since it was a chelator, I suppose that it caused the metals to redistribute in you. I know you could not release them at that time. The sulfur pathways were blocked.

Thank you for the information on NDF! It sounds like Christine took a slightly different product. Chlorella does not seem to set well with many people. I wonder why? My system is very sensitive. Charcoal would probably be a safe bet for me.

Dear Christine,

NDF Plus sounds heinous! We all appreciate the warning. I sure do not need any poison in my system. I am sure I have enough due to environmental exposure and the like. Trace Minerals from springs and lakes seem very dangerous. I will keep my eye out for the sources on supplements to be safe.

Dear Carla,

Your champagne story was hilarious! I wanted to comment on it earlier, but my posts were already long. I was afraid I would commit an emoticon violation! I remember that skit on Laugh-In! Like you, I only recall Sammy Davis, Jr. doing it. I never saw Flip Wilson do it.

Dear Andrea,

I am glad you guys tested well for probiotics. Everyone's system is different. Rachel could not tolerate them at all. It probably was due to the mercury. I had no idea that L. Acidophillus caused mercury to turn into its methyl form!

Dear Rinne,

We are all so glad to have you back! Welcome home! Everyone was like "Where is Rinne?" All of us could not wait to hear something from or about you. Having one of our residents return is a big deal. Heck, we might even have a holiday! Speaking of, we should have had one on Andrea's birthday the other day!

What wonderful news! Feel free to brag! This is huge! Wahoo, Rinne Bars in the celebratory yurt! We knew they would be a huge hit! When they get to the U.S., Rachelville residents will be first in line!

Did you write that poem yourself? It is beautiful! I love to write poetry as well. Basic iambic pentameter is more of my style. I have a think about making everything rhyme. If I do not have everything in mine rhyme, it throws off my rhythmn.

Dear Sherry,

Thank you for the link! That will be fun to check out. Plus, there is a free pamphlet! I have some emotional issues for sure. Letting go of them could really benefit my health.

Dear Donna,

Are you toes the same, or different today? Mine need painted. I was trying to make little leaf stencils to paint them yesterday for Mabon. It is the fall equinox celebration. Unfortunately, my stencils never came to be. I could not find that little cutting tool I needed for it. I am sure it is around somewhere!

Sincerely,

Jin

[confusedks]

Hello all,

I am sick with the flu of some sorts and almost everything I try to take has gluten, soy or dairy!!! I was going to go to my Dr. because I think I have an ear infection, but I am allergic to all antibiotics! Grr! SO, I am riding this one out....miserably.

On another topic, does anyone know if going to an endocrinologist would be helpful for my crazy periods? They deal with pituitary glands and that's what controls your hormones. I was wondering if anyone knows about this at all? The reason we also think it's my p gland is because I lose SO much hair in a day...it must be hormone related. Ideas?

Kassandra

[Judyin Philly]

hi ALL

i JUST DROPPED IN TO READ AND TRY TO CATCH UP AND WAS SO OVERWHELMED BY THE NICE COMMENTS AND REMBMBERENCES OF ME.

THIS GROUP NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME.

WE'RE OFF AWHILE AND EVERYONE IS THERE TO HUG 'US BACK INTO THE GROUP' NO MATTER HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN AWAY.

THANKS JIN, RENNI, RACHEL AND OTHERS WHO STILL REMEMBER ME...RENNI..THRILLED WITH THE SELLING OF THE BARS....I STILL AM WANTING TO BY A CASE.

THERE IS A HEALTH FOOD STORE HERE THAT MIGHT CARRY THEM BUT NOT SURE YOUR AT THAT POINT YET...........SURE THERE IS A UP DATE BURIED IN THE 'R V' ACHIVES SOMEWHERE. OY.

IF YOU WANT TO GO TO WWW.DAILYSTRENGTH.COM JUST GO TO SEARCH PEOPLE..GLUELESS AND THEN THE JOURANLS TO FIND HER REMARKABLE UNLOCKED AUG 17TH JOURANAL.

I'M THRILLED SHE'S KEEPING IT UPDATED.

MY TUMORS ARE SHRINKING AND GETTING SOFTER...YES, A MIRACLE ............TO ME. ALL THE 15 MEDICAL SPECIALISTS WOULD NEVER EVER BELIEVE ME...........THAT IT'S OXALATE FOOD RELATED.

BUT WE DON'T NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING TO THEM ANYMORE DO WE.

WE KNOW TRUTH WHEN WE FIND IT.

RACHEL ........YOUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT SULFER PATH WAYS IS REALLY GETTING PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT THIS WHOLE LINK..........

THANKS SO MUCH FOR COMING ON THE THREAD.

YOU CAN BE OF SUCH A HELP TO SEE THE LINKING OF THINGS THAT SURE DON'T SEEM RELATED TO US WHO ARE NOT THE RESEARCHER YOU ARE.

NITE ALL AND I SURE CAN FEEL THE LOVE.

TOM I HAVE TO GO AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPEN TO YOU............SO MANY MENTIONED IT BUT WE HAVE NOT REALLY MET ON THE BOARD YET.

GOOD LUCK TO YOU

JUDY