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[dlp252]

Thanks for the update on the family Andrea...was wondering how the kids were doing.

The titanium earrings were kind like cheapy stuff...the metal was very lightweight and sort of "rainbowish". They were drops with earwires (as opposed to posts).

Now I dont know what to put there to fill that gap. Someone mentioned a "partial" to me before....does anyone know what that is??

My dad had partials...I don't know if I ever saw his though, lol. I think it's kind of like false teeth, but they're just a tooth or two at a time. I know here could take his in and out.

If I eat the wrong foods and start to feel worse....it never fails that I start having problems with my gold earrings. Besides the itching/oozing my earlobe ends up turing BLACK around the earring!

Mine don't turn black, but they hurt like heck and itch/ooze...I also get cysts in the holes. That will even happen with good gold now too. I miss my earrings. I can still wear bracelets as long as the weather isn't too hot and the bracelet is loose enough. I can't wear necklaces anymore either...starts feeling like my neck is all scratched up after just a short time.

Funny story-- when we had overnight houseguests, imagine the sound of the springs on the crib, along with the banging noise. We would be mortified, and felt we had to explain all the noise in the morning

:lol: !!!!

[dlp252]

Okay found this on partials:

How do you wear a removable partial denture?

Removable partial dentures usually consist of replacement teeth attached to pink or gum-colored plastic bases, which are connected by metal framework. Removable partial dentures attach to your natural teeth with metal clasps or devices called precision attachments. Precision attachments are generally more esthetic than metal clasps and they are nearly invisible. Crowns on your natural teeth may improve the fit of a removable partial denture and they are usually required with attachments. Dentures with precision attachments generally cost more than those with metal clasps. Consult with your dentist to find out which type is right for you.

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Here are some pictures:

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[AndreaB]

Okay found this on partials:

Interesting.....thanks.

[Rachel--24]

I found this about the black ears Rachel:

Nickel is also said to cause black marks (reacting with the skin)

Silver tarnishes and can leave colored marks.

Thanks for looking it up Julie!

I'm only wearing 14 kt gold and its totally fine unless my body starts detoxing heavily or something. Its only when I'm feeling really bad that I notice my ears turning black and getting infected. Makes sense about the oils reacting with the metal.

Fortunately its not happening too much these days.

[Rachel--24]

My younger son did this well into childhood, too. We had a double set of bumper guards on his crib because he was developing a bump on his head. Interesting--you're the first person, other than him, who I've ever heard that's done this. He only did it before going to sleep.

Patti...I never heard of anyone else having done this either!! I know that alot of the kids on the spectrum do this but I'm not sure if its similar....I only did it at bedtime.

I also made some strange humming noise along with it.

Not sure why that wasnt annoying to me.....but I guess the head banging along with sound effects was somehow comforting to me??

I'm sure it annoyed everyone else though.

I called it "rocking"...I was rocking myself to sleep.

My mom says I still "rock" my head alot...she says I'm never sitting still and I'm always bouncing my head around. I never payed attention but since she said that I'm aware of doing it whenever I'm sitting on the computer or sitting on the couch.

[CarlaB]

I'm only wearing 14 kt gold and its totally fine unless my body starts detoxing heavily or something. Its only when I'm feeling really bad that I notice my ears turning black and getting infected. Makes sense about the oils reacting with the metal.

Fortunately its not happening too much these days.

Once in a while my ring finger will turn black ... doesn't happen often, but when it does I can't help but kid Adam about buying my ring in a gumball machine!

[jerseyangel]

I also made some strange humming noise along with it.

Not sure why that wasnt annoying to me.....but I guess the head banging along with sound effects was somehow comforting to me??

Yes, I'm sure you were trying to soothe yourself and settle down to sleep--he did exactly the same thing.

He is also what I lovingly refer to as a "supertaster". He has always been a very picky eater, but I could always tell that the foods that he rejected were actually repulsive to him and he just couldn't stand to have them in his mouth.

I got years of critisim from my MIL, among others who told me he should eat what I put in front of him, but I did what I felt was right in my gut. I will never regret that--my relationship with him is worth so much more than if he cleaned his plate. I just made sure he had something as nutritious as possible that he would eat.

As an adult, he's still this way--I suspect possible Celiac or other issues such as sub-clinical difficulties. He was another one who was prescribed a lot of antibiotics for ear infections--in those days, I did what the doctors told me....he's had lots of dental work, a surgery and eats way too much sugar for my taste.

He's not at the point where he's interested in looking into Celiac or the root of the symptoms he has. I just see the selective eating, headaches, etc.

Boy, I got off on a tangent, didn't I?

[CarlaB]

Boy, I got off on a tangent, didn't I?

I think about 1500 pages is tangent from the original topic of dairy.

[AndreaB]

Boy, I got off on a tangent, didn't I?

Nothing wrong with that.

Sounds like you did the best you could.

[Rachel--24]

Rachel, my naturopaths and I came to that conclusion as well, that a lot of my mercury toxicity was in utero. My mom has a lot of amalgams also, she worked for a dentist through jr high and high school and he was always drilling her teeth and putting amalgams in.

That and candida overgrowth as the body's natural protective mechanism, several rounds of antibiotics in my youth to wipe all that good stuff out, compromised immunity, leaky gut, and an MMR vaccination to top it all off with....a recipe for disaster.

Yeah....thats pretty much the way it goes for so many people.

Alot of people put all the blame on antibiotics (I especially see this on the candida boards). Personally, I think the stage is already set prior to the antibiotics. If there is no mercury/candida (or something else which is weakening the immune system) to start with....I dont think the abx can do so much damage in a healthy individual.

Some people are taking alot of antibiotics through their childhood and on...but somethings gotta be going on with them for them to NEED so many rounds of abx to begin with. I think mercury is very often at the root of those recurring illnesses/infections.

Fortunately, I was never sickly so I was never taking antibiotics or any other prescription meds. Despite the fact that my body isnt dealing with the mercury too well I think my immune system was/is very strong. I still dont get sick. Its been well over a year since I've had a cold and when I do catch something my body usually fights it off within a couple days.

I think this is probably a big reason that I stayed healthy for 30 years. It wasnt until after I got sick from my removals that they started giving me lots of abx....each time I went on them I got worse. The candida was pretty much exploding.....only I didnt know what it was at the time.

I think the candida was becoming more and more of a problem (as I got to be more toxic) but it was definately the abx which made a bad situation turn HEINOUS.

I seriously doubt that the abx would have had that effect on me had it not been for the mercury in my gut.

Who knows what might have happened if I'd had an MMR on top of it. Its frusterating that these things happen...the impact on peoples lives is HUGE...and yet there is no acknowledgement from the medical community.

I may have been "teetering" on the edge for most of my life until the unsafe removals pushed me over.

Its hard with the severity of my fungal issues. I dont know that mercury itself brings on many symptoms...but its destruction of the cells, the disruption of normal bodily functions, the impact on the immune system and then the fungal, viral, bacterial and parasitic infections that come in....like you said...its a disaster.

For me...its the fungal infections totally bringing me down. I hate the yeast but then I wonder where I'd be without it??

It scares me that the yeast is as bad as it is....even on a strict diet. Do you think its an indication of the amount of mercury in the body??

I mentioned it on the oxalate thread but I'm finally gonna go ahead and do the provoked urine test for metals. I will feel a huge amount of relief if I can see that I'm excreting metals....but if the levels are all low...I guess I'll feel pretty scared.

If thats the case they may have to do some genetic testing to see why I'm not able to excrete.

When I had my hair analysis mercury, lead and the main metals were all very low....but I was excreting cadmium and bismuth....those levels were high. I was a smoker so thats where I got alot of cadmium exposure...but at least I was detoxing it to some extent.

So I'm nervous about the urine test.

Oh, for anyone whos interested...I got my CT scan results. As predicted everything was normal.

[Rachel--24]

Funny story-- when we had overnight houseguests, imagine the sound of the springs on the crib, along with the banging noise. We would be mortified, and felt we had to explain all the noise in the morning

Patti...I can only imagine how you must have felt!!

That cracked me up.

[Rachel--24]

Andrea....thanks for the update on the children!

Sounds like you're doing a good job with all the food rotations...its hard but it seems like you're not having too much trouble keeping track of everything. My head would be spinning trying to remember all that!

Okay found this on partials:

Thanks Donna!

I think I'd be fine with a partial...I dont want to spend a fortune on an implant and I'm not too excited about putting anything "foreign" permantly in my mouth. I guess I'm a little traumatized to say the least.

I just want something to fill the gap so my other teeth dont move.

I'm pretty sure I would probably go for the metal-free partial.

Yes, I'm sure you were trying to soothe yourself and settle down to sleep--he did exactly the same thing.

Thanks Patti...I dont feel like such an "oddball" now.

It obviously was soothing to me because it was a part of relaxing my body for sleep.

He is also what I lovingly refer to as a "supertaster". He has always been a very picky eater, but I could always tell that the foods that he rejected were actually repulsive to him and he just couldn't stand to have them in his mouth.

Hehe....I was definately not born a "supertaster". If its food....I will eat it.

I think about 1500 pages is tangent from the original topic of dairy.

:lol:

Yeah...we've all been on a tangent for a LONG time now.

[jerseyangel]

Oh, for anyone whos interested...I got my CT scan results. As predicted everything was normal.

I'm interested I was wondering, but knew you'd post when the results were in.

[jerseyangel]

I hoping we are starting to see some improvements with the treatments we had done, even though we are only on supplement/detox support right now.

I missed this, had to go back

Anyway, I'm glad to hear this. The improvements will be gradual, I'm sure, until all of a sudden you realize that--wow--things really have changed since....I bet it'll kinda sneak up on you

We just do the best we can

[dlp252]

Oh, for anyone whos interested...I got my CT scan results. As predicted everything was normal.

I'm always interested in test results. I think I've had three CT scans of my sinuses...all were normal. Well, except one time...there was some little barely there fuzzy thing up in one corner. The doc is saying that it all looked clear and then said, "well, there's this, but I don't think that's anything to worry about." Never did find out what that was, but had another CT scan after it and it was indeed clear.

[tom]

. .. . I can't help but kid Adam about buying my ring in a gumball machine!

Boy, I got off on a tangent, didn't I?

And quite an interesting one, at that!

did I see that antibiotics can't launch a candida problem, unless the immune system is already compromised by a candida problem?

P.S. I got carded @WhFds today buying Redbridge!!

[Green12]

Ditto Andrea what everyone else said, glad you are hanging in there with it all. It isn't easy managing and juggling it all for one person and you are doing this for an entire family of 5 So big pats on the back to you all.

I agree that things will turn around gradually.

Patti, you didn't get off on a tangent. What's going on with your son's health is important too! He may very well have some of the same health issues you have. Maybe with time he will make some changes?

For me...its the fungal infections totally bringing me down. I hate the yeast but then I wonder where I'd be without it??

It scares me that the yeast is as bad as it is....even on a strict diet. Do you think its an indication of the amount of mercury in the body??

You pose an interesting question Rachel.

When I found out had dysbiosis in my body, the candida and different yeasts, molds, fungis, parasites, etc just seemingly taking over, I was pretty scared about it. I mean, what do you do?

Then when I was told that candida overgroth can bethe body's natural way of protecting against the metals, I realized our bodies are pretty smart, with all those checks and balances built right in, and they are trying to balance things out....but I think there are so many factors going on that it doesn't always go the way it should.

I'm not sure if the amount of overgrowth is in direct relation to the amount of metals.

Sorry, not really an answer to your question, just some ramblings

I started drinking Pau D'Arco tea again, after a many year hiatus It really moves the bowels Was wondering how much is recommended to drink?? I am just doing tea bags so I drink one cup in the am and one cup in the pm.

I found some great info about it:

Open Original Shared Link

Does anyone still talk to Celia? I was trying to think of some of the regulars that have disappeared, and often wonder how they are feeling and what they are doing with treatments, supplements, etc.

[AndreaB]

Oh, for anyone whos interested...I got my CT scan results. As predicted everything was normal.

I was interested.

I'll be waiting for you challenge results as well. We know mercury is a problem and I hope you don't have problems excreting it.

Your "If it's food I'll eat it" :lol:

P.S. I got carded @WhFds today buying Redbridge!!

Doesn't that make you feel good.....that means you look under 30.

I started drinking Pau D'Arco tea again, after a many year hiatus It really moves the bowels Was wondering how much is recommended to drink?? I am just doing tea bags so I drink one cup in the am and one cup in the pm.

I found some great info about it:

Open Original Shared Link

Does anyone still talk to Celia? I was trying to think of some of the regulars that have disappeared, and often wonder how they are feeling and what they are doing with treatments, supplements, etc.

Pau d'Arco.....we take capsules so can't help you there.

Celia.......no contact with her. I did call and get ahold of her hubby earlier in the year.....around March. He told me they were getting divorced and she was at her mothers. Had tried calling after that but never got ahold of him....I didn't think to ask for her mothers number then. I was in shock. I don't think she's been online at all since then. She doesn't post on D/S either anymore.

[Rachel--24]

Patti, you didn't get off on a tangent. What's going on with your son's health is important too! He may very well have some of the same health issues you have. Maybe with time he will make some changes?

I agree...and I think its especially hard for those of us who are sick to see (or even think about) someone we love having any symptoms that would point to a health problem. I know for me its really hard to not get stressed out over it.

Its highly unlikely anyone I care about is gonna get as messed up as I got but I still fear it....and I worry about underlying issues. Its hard not to when I spend so much time researching this stuff.

I think I can handle my own illness pretty well....but if it were anyone else going through this I dont think I could deal with it....so I'm glad its me.... and not someone close to me. I think it would leave me feeling helpless.

Patti...even if your son isnt ready to make any changes to better his health right now...there might be a time that he does come around and get more proactive. Usually its hard to focus on that stuff when we dont really feel we have significant problems.

Even though I didnt have any obvious symptoms before this happened to me...I believe if there were some signs I wouldnt have thought much of it. I think we are all just slow learners.....especially when it comes to changing how we eat!!

Hopefully he will come around.

[Green12]

Celia.......no contact with her. I did call and get ahold of her hubby earlier in the year.....around March. He told me they were getting divorced and she was at her mothers. Had tried calling after that but never got ahold of him....I didn't think to ask for her mothers number then. I was in shock. I don't think she's been online at all since then. She doesn't post on D/S either anymore.

OMG, how very sad. That is quite shocking, I remember she talked about him all the time and he seemed like her rock with all she was going through..........she must be devastated.

I know she had a MySpace, you might be able to track her down that way.

[Rachel--24]

Then when I was told that candida overgroth can bethe body's natural way of protecting against the metals, I realized our bodies are pretty smart, with all those checks and balances built right in, and they are trying to balance things out....but I think there are so many factors going on that it doesn't always go the way it should.

I do think our immune systems are very smart. Our bodies will do whatever is necesary in order to protect us with whatever resources it has available. In the case of mercury poisoning it uses the fungus.

Even the way the body stores the mercury....its in a way so that there is some "balance". For example if you start moving some mercury out of the gut...the body will start distributing more into the gut to keep that balance. Its actually pretty amazing to me how complex the immune system is....and how many things are going on in our bodies to try to keep us as healthy as possible....even under very toxic conditions.

Klinghardt is the one who came up with the theory that the immune system cultivates the fungi to protect us from a lethal environment of heavy metal toxicity. I think most Dr.'s are starting to agree with this.

Looking at my own situation I have to say that it makes more sense than anything else. The only other possibility is that the immune system is "weakened" thus allowing for the overgrowth to occur.

That possibility doesnt "fit" for me....because if my immune system were truelly weakened...I would be susceptible to sickness....I would be catching everything that comes my way. Thats not the case at all though....I dont catch *anything*...even if everyone around me is sick.

For that reason I can only believe that my immune system allowed for the overgrowth in order to protect me from the metals that were overwhelming my system. It was a trade-off. Now I'm sick from the toxins produced by the fungi....but it could be MUCH worse.

This is what Dr. K says about it...

"The main devastating effect of mercury in the nervous system is that it interferes with the energy production inside each cell," says Dr. Klinghardt. "The nerve cell is impaired in its ability to detoxify itself [and excrete the mercury] and in its ability to nurture itself. The cell becomes toxic and dies, or lives in a state of chronic malnutrition.

A multitude of illnesses, usually associated with neurological symptoms, result." Among these are chronic viral and fungal illnesses, recurrent episodes of bacterial infections, and chronic fatigue.

By a curious self-preservation reflex of the body, the emergence of these conditions can be viewed as a way of accommodating the heavy metal presence, speculates Dr. Klinghardt. "Most, if not all, chronic infectious diseases are not caused by a failure of the immune system, but are a conscious adaptation of the immune system to an otherwise lethal heavy metal environment."

Mercury suffocates the cells and they die, so the immune system cultivates fungi and bacteria which are able to bind large amounts of the toxic metal in their respective cell walls, thereby enabling the patient

[Rachel--24]

I started drinking Pau D'Arco tea again, after a many year hiatus It really moves the bowels Was wondering how much is recommended to drink?? I am just doing tea bags so I drink one cup in the am and one cup in the pm.

I'm taking it too.....not a tea though. Its a tincture. I havent found that it moves my bowels but I'm probably taking alot less than you are. I'm just taking like 5 drops in water. I'm sure I could take more but it contains some coconut. I'm highly reactive to coconut so I dont wanna take too many drops...scared of a reaction.

[Green12]

One of my Dr.'s said that despite everything...fundamentally things are still working. My cycle is normal which in his mind says alot about how my body is dealing with all of this....and its a good sign.

That's great that your cycle is normal, I agree that is a good sign.

Great info from Klinghardt.

When you said you don't get sick even when everyone around you is, that reminded me of something. One of my naturopaths had this awesome book, I can't recall the name of it but it had this chart of the stages of disease.

In a normal body response we are exposed to viri (or bacteria, something like that) and the body processes it, symptoms appear, and then it is resolved. In a higher stage of disease this does not happen, we are exposed to the viri and symptoms do not appear, and it does not resolve itself.

At the height of my chronic situation I hardly ever get sick, as far as flus and colds and etc., very rarely, even though I was constantly exposed to people who were. I don't know if she was right but my naturopath said she actually wanted me to get the ocasional cold because then it would mean my body was responding normally

It wasn't too long after working ART, chelation, etc...maybe a year or two and I started to get colds and flus when exposed.

Just curious, sort of a poll who here never/rarely comes down with a cold or flu when exposed?

[Rachel--24]

In a normal body response we are exposed to viri (or bacteria, something like that) and the body processes it, symptoms appear, and then it is resolved. In a higher stage of disease this does not happen, we are exposed to the viri and symptoms do not appear, and it does not resolve itself.

I've heard this before too....but in a different way. I think what I'd heard was that the stresses on the immune system are so severe that the immune system is very active trying to fight everything off....so we are not getting sick. Nothing is getting past the immune system in this hyperactive state of awareness.

Then when there is less stress on the immune system it is no longer in this heightented state and we catch colds again.

I think this could be true....its hard to say. I would probably look at it this way except for the fact that even when I was healthy I was rarely catching anything. I was sick maybe one day a year...if that. My mom said I was never sick when I was young either. My body seems to be fighting stuff off the same as it did prior to this illness.

My BioSET practitioner said that viruses werent an issue for me...she said my immune system kicks butt when it comes to viruses. They never showed up in BioSET or ART.

The only ones that ever showed up were dormant or past infections. One was the HHV6 that was in my bloodwork...indicating past exposure. Then I had 3 that showed up in muscle testing which are residuals of past infections or dormant. Thats it....I dont have much showing up for bacteria either....just the lyme. Its mostly fungal stuff with me.

I seem to "catch" every mold thats in my vicinity. Its like I'm a walking magnet for every mold or yeast floating around.

I understand why your ND was saying she wanted you to catch a cold. I remember the Dr. I was seeing last year saying something similar.

I had told him that I really didnt notice my sensitivities to chemicals and foods as much the first couple years I was sick. I knew I was sensitive but I wasnt aware of all that was bothering me. Once I started eliminating so many things the sensitivities were MUCH more pronounced. To this day my sensitivities are very noticeable....whereas in the beginning they were all "masked".

He had said that intitially my body was so overwhelmed with the insults that it was not able to respond to everything. He said its kind of like I became "numb" to everything. Once the immune system is less overwhelmed it can efectively respond in a way that I'm aware that whatever I'm exposing myself to is having a negative effect.

He said he would much rather have me reacting to these insults then to be walking around totally numb to it. It really does make sense...it was as soon as I restricted my diet that I became aware of just how bad my chemical sensitivities really were. Before that I was wearing perfume and not even realizing it was causing me harm.

It makes sense that the symptoms from infections get masked as well. I just dont think its happening with me as far as colds and things like that. Its just the way I've always been and in all those months of testing those things were non-issues for me.

Its kind of surprising that my body could still fight this stuff off...but alot of things about all of this are surprising to me.

I'm surprised at how normal my cycle is...I dont even get how that can stay normal with all this other stuff going on.

[AndreaB]

I know she had a MySpace, you might be able to track her down that way.

I tried looking for it.....couldn't find it.

She hasn't responded to email. I just don't think she has anything to do with the computer anymore. I just wanted to offer my support and tell her we love her.

As far as your poll......we aren't chronically ill.....thanks to you guys. so we do catch colds/flu's when they go around. We actually stay close to home during most of the fall and all winter. I rarely take the children out and a lot of times Mitch will handle the grocery shopping or I'll go after he's home or on the weekend. I figure next year, or the year after, I won't worry about it so much. It's just easier with a little one to not have to worry about all the viruses. Besides, Mitch doesn't get paid sick time so we avoid as much as possible......cept he's out there working and is exposed to stuff as it is.