Liver Cause Of Celiac Did Anyone See This Site?!

[Webcrystal]

Did anyone see this site they say celiacs can be cured by a liver flush.. sheesh.

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[taz sharratt]

Did anyone see this site they say celiacs can be cured by a liver flush.. sheesh.

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huh!

[skbird]

Yeah, that's a controversial site. Obviously we know this is not true - liver flushes are good for some things but they won't cure Celiac.

You can search for curezone related threads here - there was a big one about it last year.

Stephanie

[Ursa Major]

Of course, it is nonsense that you can cure celiac disease by a liver cleanse. And of course, there is no way gallbladder and liver stones cause celiac disease, how then do they account for babies and small children having celiac disease? There is no way they have any stones anywhere yet.

Mind you, there is (as so often in big lies) some truth to be found in what they say (and lies mixed with truth are often the most dangerous ones).

The reason I went into full-blown celiac disease a little over a year ago, was that I tried doing a bowel cleanse, my ultimate goal being, to do a liver cleanse. Unfortunately, the bowel cleanse put me over the edge, and I had to give up.

I had my gallbladder removed about 12 years ago, and believe that I likely have liver stones also. And since my mother had all the same symptoms as me, and died of liver cancer, I do want to cleanse my liver, just as a safety precaution. And who knows, it would possibly fix some of my intolerances.

So, this silly article reminded me that it is probably safe now to try again, starting with a gentler bowel cleanse than I tried last year, next do a kidney cleanse, and last a liver cleanse.

I know it won't cure me of celiac disease, but it may help in other ways.

[L.A.]

...and will it cure my diabetes too?

[CarlaB]

Of course, it is nonsense that you can cure celiac disease by a liver cleanse. And of course, there is no way gallbladder and liver stones cause celiac disease, how then do they account for babies and small children having celiac disease? There is no way they have any stones anywhere yet.

Mind you, there is (as so often in big lies) some truth to be found in what they say (and lies mixed with truth are often the most dangerous ones).

The reason I went into full-blown celiac disease a little over a year ago, was that I tried doing a bowel cleanse, my ultimate goal being, to do a liver cleanse. Unfortunately, the bowel cleanse put me over the edge, and I had to give up.

I had my gallbladder removed about 12 years ago, and believe that I likely have liver stones also. And since my mother had all the same symptoms as me, and died of liver cancer, I do want to cleanse my liver, just as a safety precaution. And who knows, it would possibly fix some of my intolerances.

So, this silly article reminded me that it is probably safe now to try again, starting with a gentler bowel cleanse than I tried last year, next do a kidney cleanse, and last a liver cleanse.

I know it won't cure me of celiac disease, but it may help in other ways.

I was looking into cleansing, too, in order to see if it made me heal faster ... not in the hopes of getting rid of celiac disease, just in hopes of healing faster. It makes sense that the less garbage our bodies have to deal with, the more they can concentrate on getting better.

Ursula, how do you plan on doing these cleanses?

Carla

[Daxin]

Um...did the "person" who wrote this article even BOTHER to research anything?!?!

If that was in fact the case, why are they not making MILLIONS treating/curing celiacs all over the globe.

Interesting article, but does not seem to have even one bit of fact in it at all.

TY webcrystal for giving me a chuckle to day.

[Ursa Major]

I was looking into cleansing, too, in order to see if it made me heal faster ... not in the hopes of getting rid of celiac disease, just in hopes of healing faster. It makes sense that the less garbage our bodies have to deal with, the more they can concentrate on getting better.

Ursula, how do you plan on doing these cleanses?

Carla

Carla, I plan on seeing my homeopath, who can figure it out for me. She told me after seeing her last summer, that those cleanses you buy in the health food store are way too harsh for many people. She seemed to know what she was talking about (even though she obviously doesn't know everything, as she didn't clue into celiac disease, I figured it out myself).

Once I am doing it, and it's not making me ill, I'll be posting here about it. Mind you, I am not sure how I can use any natural stuff, since I am intolerant to all herbs! Anyway, who knows, maybe there is a way around that problem, I sure hope so.

[CarlaB]

Thanks, I'll look forward to hearing how it goes. I'm drinking a detox tea now three times per day. I don't know if it's doing anything, but I enjoy tea, so I guess it doesn't really matter. At least it's better for me than the coffee I was drinking!

Carla

[merlin23]

Well, the whole point of a liver flush is too improve the flow of bile which in turns enables the body to drastically improve the digestion of food. I have not got celiac disease but from what I have read celiacs cannot ingest wheat/gluten without inflamation. This reaction is largely down to not having the digestive capability to deal with food. Liver flushes improve both the digestive secretion of bile from the liver and pancreatic enzymes and therefore the inflamation would occur at a lowel intensity and eventually not at all.

People are not making millions out of it because pharmeacutical drug companies are not involved and the procedure is so cheap. Also general scepticism and cynicism would prevent this method taking off in the manner which you would expect in relation to it's effectivness.

[penguin]

Well, the whole point of a liver flush is too improve the flow of bile which in turns enables the body to drastically improve the digestion of food. I have not got celiac disease but from what I have read celiacs cannot ingest wheat/gluten without inflamation. This reaction is largely down to not having the digestive capability to deal with food. Liver flushes improve both the digestive secretion of bile from the liver and pancreatic enzymes and therefore the inflamation would occur at a lowel intensity and eventually not at all.

Inflammation isn't the issue with Celiacs. It's an autoimmune reacton in which the body thinks the wheat is poison and attacks both the gluten and the villi of the small intestine. Antibodies are produced by the body in this reaction. So really, the digestive system has little to do with the reaction to the gluten itself, it just gets the effects of the reaction.

[chrissy]

whoa.......you're a tad off in your info. NO ONE can totally digest gluten---but celiacs have an auto-immune reaction to gluten that the rest of the world does not have-----total digestion or not. i've heard plenty about liver cleanses, but never seen any scientific studies to back it up. mis-information like this could be very damaging to an asymptomatic celiac who is desperate to try anything to be able to eat "normal" because they have no obvious symptoms.

if you do not have celiac yourself, are you on the board because you have a family member or friend with it?

[ravenwoodglass]

Well, the whole point of a liver flush is too improve the flow of bile which in turns enables the body to drastically improve the digestion of food. I have not got celiac disease but from what I have read celiacs cannot ingest wheat/gluten without inflamation. This reaction is largely down to not having the digestive capability to deal with food. Liver flushes improve both the digestive secretion of bile from the liver and pancreatic enzymes and therefore the inflamation would occur at a lowel intensity and eventually not at all.

People are not making millions out of it because pharmeacutical drug companies are not involved and the procedure is so cheap. Also general scepticism and cynicism would prevent this method taking off in the manner which you would expect in relation to it's effectivness.

The response seen in celiac is not solely a digestive response. The absorption of this 'poison' actually begins by contact with mucous membranes. It begins to be absorbed in the mouth or even in the nasal cavities. This is the reason so many of us can't bake gluten breads and baked goods no matter how careful we are. Also many celiacs by the time they are diagnosed in this country USA have livers and kidneys that have impaired function, often unknown, and need to be careful about the use of even the natural products. Using any flushes or detoxification product is of course and individual choice but it is always wise to really evaluate what you are putting in your already compromised system

[merlin23]

I have a friend in Scotland with it, don't think it's too severe as he seems to eat curries with it and is willing to take the consequences.

Well, any sort of bad autoimmune reaction is due to a mal-functioning liver. It's like food allergies, your body can't digest certain foods and it gets tagged as a foreign protein by the body which creates an antibody as you said. If you haven't got the tools to digest food then soon the body sees everything as foreign and attacks it, in your cases gluten/wheat. Undigested food is toxic. Not really a show-business complicated answer but it is true all the same.

In regards to scientific studies, it's impossible unless a person actually carries out some sort of experiment themself. If for instance you did liver flushes and they worked you wouldn't feel the need to have an experiment- the proof would be in the pudding. Mainstream medicine are never going to carry out such tests due to their indifference of such methods and the people who know the effectivness of a liver flush will not find the need for them so will really not care either way. They will be content to the tell people on boards like this and leave it at that.

If you were to start to treat celiacs with liver flushes it would be foolish to eating troublesome foods until some way into the flushing and after you had released lots of stones. Then you could start introducing those foods slowly and see if the reaction had lessened.

[penguin]

The immune response happens in the blood, not the liver. The immune system consists of bone marrow, lymph nodes, the spleen, and the thymus gland. In an autoimmune disorder such as celiac, the immune system gets activated because it reacts to a substance (in this case, gluten) that it would normally ignore. Antibodies are produced and lymphocites get activated, and it's a self sustaining reaction. Again, the liver has little, if any to do with it, and liver flushes and cleanses are dangerous for someone with a dysfunctional immune system.

I'm not even going to address the bit about scientific studies because I don't understand your logic.

Also, your Celiac friend that eats wheat is doing a lot of damage to his body and is putting himself at great risk of cancer.

[chrissy]

unless you are one of the celiacs that has obvious symptoms, waiting to see if the reaction lessens is foolish, because the damage to the intestines is being done regardless of obvious reactions. there are people with horrible reactions and little damage and there are people with no reaction whatsoever and total villious atrophy. i have 3 children with celiac disease and they all have different symptoms. the one with no obvious symptoms had higher TTg levels than the one with the worst symptoms.

there is no "proof in the pudding" just by how you feel----damage occurs regardless of how you feel if you have celiac.

[merlin23]

The immune response happens in the blood, not the liver. The immune system consists of bone marrow, lymph nodes, the spleen, and the thymus gland. In an autoimmune disorder such as celiac, the immune system gets activated because it reacts to a substance (in this case, gluten) that it would normally ignore. Antibodies are produced and lymphocites get activated, and it's a self sustaining reaction. Again, the liver has little, if any to do with it, and liver flushes and cleanses are dangerous for someone with a dysfunctional immune system.

I'm not even going to address the bit about scientific studies because I don't understand your logic.

Also, your Celiac friend that eats wheat is doing a lot of damage to his body and is putting himself at great risk of cancer.

The Liver cleans the blood of toxins and metabolic substances- it is a blood filter. So it doesn't matter if it "happens" in the blood rather than WHY it happens- because of the liver.

That line about the immune system reacting to something it would usually ignore is true and that is the point I am trying to make. The question is why does it react in one person and not the other? Because each person's organs of elimination differentiate and some people have healthier livers and better digestive functions than other people.

Modern medicine is based on the flawed basis that the body just makes mistakes for some unbeknownest reason. Like with cancer, the conventional line is that cells forget to die and proliferate, like it's some accident. Same with allergies, the belief that body reacts to something it usually ignores. That line of thinking is great but it doesn't actually help anything does it.

I am a believer that people's liver's are often compromised from birth and then the consequences of this manifest itself in symptoms of disease like Celiac, Ezcema, Fatigue (in my case). They are all different ailments but consequences of the same thing.

[2kids4me]

Yes, merlin23 you have your beliefs.

The liver is a fliter - you are correct. So are the kidneys and the spleen. The bone marrow and genetics of celiac disease have been proven by mainstream medicine. You choose not to believe in that - - I do believe in it.

Autoimmune disease is complex.

You made the statement:

That line about the immune system reacting to something it would usually ignore is true and that is the point I am trying to make. The question is why does it react in one person and not the other?

The answer: Because of genetic suseptiblity, enviromental triggers, viruses etc.

Our bodies are complex and vulnerable, one organ does not "do it all" .

>>Modern medicine is based on the flawed basis that the body just makes mistakes for some unbeknownest reason. Like with cancer, the conventional line is that cells forget to die and proliferate, like it's some accident. Same with allergies, the belief that body reacts to something it usually ignores. That line of thinking is great but it doesn't actually help anything does it. <<

Actually the knowledge of how allergies are triggered is the basis for treatment. Its histamine release that causes the rashes, wheezes etc that create the symptoms. That is why ANTIhistamines stop the response. Not a liver flush.

Cells are genetically coded to go through a cyle of growth and then die off (we shed dead skin cells daily, our internal organs replenish their cells daily in a set cycle and pattern). Cancer cells dont die off but grow abnormally fast and in an uncontrolled manner/pattern because of malfuction in the sequence.

You will have a response to this I am sure- you are welcome to the last word. Readers of this post can choose to agree or disagree with anything I have stated or that you have stated.

Anyone reading this thread should use their own judgement, ask questions and look at facts not testimonials.

A healthy diet, exercise, eating right for your body and listening to your body are the guidelines I adhere to. My body needs insulin injected to function well, my children need gluten free diets to remain healthy.

[penguin]

The Liver cleans the blood of toxins and metabolic substances- it is a blood filter. So it doesn't matter if it "happens" in the blood rather than WHY it happens- because of the liver.

That line about the immune system reacting to something it would usually ignore is true and that is the point I am trying to make. The question is why does it react in one person and not the other? Because each person's organs of elimination differentiate and some people have healthier livers and better digestive functions than other people.

Modern medicine is based on the flawed basis that the body just makes mistakes for some unbeknownest reason. Like with cancer, the conventional line is that cells forget to die and proliferate, like it's some accident. Same with allergies, the belief that body reacts to something it usually ignores. That line of thinking is great but it doesn't actually help anything does it.

I am a believer that people's liver's are often compromised from birth and then the consequences of this manifest itself in symptoms of disease like Celiac, Ezcema, Fatigue (in my case). They are all different ailments but consequences of the same thing.

Like 2kids4me said, the body is complex and relies on all of it's systems and organs to function. It is also true that it's genetics, not a flaw in the liver function. Everything she said is true.

In the case of celiac, there are two genes that have been shown for celiac. That's why the autoimmune response happens in celiacs. There are both environmental and internal forces at work in a celiac reaction.

And yes, the liver is a blood filter. Thing is, it filters toxins out of the blood, not other blood products, with the exception of old hemoglobin that is broken down and added into bile. The liver does not filter out antibodies, white blood cells, or lymphocites.

You are welcome to your beliefs.

Yes, merlin23 you have your beliefs.

The liver is a fliter - you are correct. So are the kidneys and the spleen. The bone marrow and genetics of celiac disease have been proven by mainstream medicine. You choose not to believe in that - - I do believe in it.

Autoimmune disease is complex.

You made the statement:

That line about the immune system reacting to something it would usually ignore is true and that is the point I am trying to make. The question is why does it react in one person and not the other?

The answer: Because of genetic suseptiblity, enviromental triggers, viruses etc.

Our bodies are complex and vulnerable, one organ does not "do it all" .

>>Modern medicine is based on the flawed basis that the body just makes mistakes for some unbeknownest reason. Like with cancer, the conventional line is that cells forget to die and proliferate, like it's some accident. Same with allergies, the belief that body reacts to something it usually ignores. That line of thinking is great but it doesn't actually help anything does it. <<

Actually the knowledge of how allergies are triggered is the basis for treatment. Its histamine release that causes the rashes, wheezes etc that create the symptoms. That is why ANTIhistamines stop the response. Not a liver flush.

Cells are genetically coded to go through a cyle of growth and then die off (we shed dead skin cells daily, our internal organs replenish their cells daily in a set cycle and pattern). Cancer cells dont die off but grow abnormally fast and in an uncontrolled manner/pattern because of malfuction in the sequence.

You will have a response to this I am sure- you are welcome to the last word. Readers of this post can choose to agree or disagree with anything I have stated or that you have stated.

Anyone reading this thread should use their own judgement, ask questions and look at facts not testimonials.

A healthy diet, exercise, eating right for your body and listening to your body are the guidelines I adhere to. My body needs insulin injected to function well, my children need gluten free diets to remain healthy.

Well said.

[merlin23]

Cancer is probably the most interesting subject of all. My view is that when the Liver, Kidney, and Colon are not eliminating toxins from the body effectively the blood gets saturated with those surplus toxins. These toxins begin seeping through the connective surrounding tissues searching for an outlet. If this process continues, and blood toxemia rises, tumours are forced to form to provide a proper outlet for the toxins. Cancer is actually a survival mechanism as a response to toxemia. Without the cancer you would be serious trouble alot quicker. When the bile from the liver is optimum, the tumours have no need to exist as the toxin overload is relieved by the improvement in liver performance. That's why cancer comes back and with a vengeance when chemotherapy is used as a treatment. The root cause has not been addressed- toxemia.

I hope I'm not coming across as some hippy alternative preacher but it's hard to be anything but when you express extreme views.

I think it's interesting to discuss conflicting views on stuff, especially something as important as health. I just stumbled across this site on google and thought I would give my 2 cents. Good luck in treatment for celiac, doesn't sound like fun.

[queenofhearts]

At least it's better for me than the coffee I was drinking!

Carla

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Leah

[Lister]

how long or i meen how old should u be before u do clensis? my doc says i have a stool lodged in my instine, and it has not moved for about 2 months now, things can get past it but for some reason its 1 stubberd turd. figure a clense could probably really help me but i was not sure if there is like a age thing or something

[merlin23]

how long or i meen how old should u be before u do clensis? my doc says i have a stool lodged in my instine, and it has not moved for about 2 months now, things can get past it but for some reason its 1 stubberd turd. figure a clense could probably really help me but i was not sure if there is like a age thing or something

doesn't really matter. Obviously you wouldn't want a five year old necking 4 oz of olive oil but anyone over 14 or maybe 16 would be fine. Bile is a natural laxative.

[penguin]

how long or i meen how old should u be before u do clensis? my doc says i have a stool lodged in my instine, and it has not moved for about 2 months now, things can get past it but for some reason its 1 stubberd turd. figure a clense could probably really help me but i was not sure if there is like a age thing or something

Please research cleanses thoroughly and talk to your doctor before attempting one.

[CarlaB]

Cancer is probably the most interesting subject of all. My view is that when the Liver, Kidney, and Colon are not eliminating toxins from the body effectively the blood gets saturated with those surplus toxins. These toxins begin seeping through the connective surrounding tissues searching for an outlet. If this process continues, and blood toxemia rises, tumours are forced to form to provide a proper outlet for the toxins. Cancer is actually a survival mechanism as a response to toxemia. Without the cancer you would be serious trouble alot quicker. When the bile from the liver is optimum, the tumours have no need to exist as the toxin overload is relieved by the improvement in liver performance. That's why cancer comes back and with a vengeance when chemotherapy is used as a treatment. The root cause has not been addressed- toxemia.

I hope I'm not coming across as some hippy alternative preacher but it's hard to be anything but when you express extreme views.

I think it's interesting to discuss conflicting views on stuff, especially something as important as health. I just stumbled across this site on google and thought I would give my 2 cents. Good luck in treatment for celiac, doesn't sound like fun.

I actually agree with this kind of thinking and it has kept our family out of the doctor's office for years. However, I can tell you that it's different with Celiac. I was eating healthy, with proper food combining, lots of raw fruits and vegetables, juicing, etc., thinking this way of living would make me healthy and make the fatigue go away. I think it helped with my general health, but I still got very sick. So, on a certain level, I agree with you. I think a celiac would benefit from having a healthy immune system, eating right, etc., HOWEVER I do not believe a celiac could then go back and eat gluten. Yea, it would take some time to get sick again, but the gluten is poison to someone who has the genetic tendency toward celiac disease. There are limitations to natural hygeine, although the concept is a good one.

Others have also raised valid questions on the safety of a celiac doing the cleanse.

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Leah

Interesting. I have read other reports on the health benefits of coffee -- it was always my excuse for drinking it! I don't have a problem with soy ... yet ... so I'm still off the coffee since I need cream. I'll probably have some once in a while, but I think it's better right now for me to restrict my soy. I know once I get started again, I'll want it every day!