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Rotation Diet Questions


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Okay --

It finally hit home for me over the last two weeks that I cannot eat almost all dairy right now _at all_, even if I take Lactaid. My Enterolab casein test was negative, and I am still using Lactaid milk in my coffee with no problem -- so I really think this is lactose intolerance. However, I was expecting the lactose reaction symptoms to be mostly GI-related and milder than the gluten. That hasn't been the case -- my lactose reactions of late have included levels of anxiety and insomnia and fatigue that just stress my body out waaaaaaaay too much.

This must be that 4-5 month thing where intolerances start showing up.

So, I've been working to put on weight and have been eating an avocado/cashew salad thing every day for the past three or four days as part of the project -- it occurs to me suddenly that I could be setting myself up for new intolerances -- which I just couldn't tolerate! Were I to lose avocados or cashews, I think I'd be really upset.

How should I approach things so I don't overdo it with one food and develop a new intolerance? Is this a legitimate concern? I'm suddenly cooking for one right now, so it's been easier to eat one thing for a couple of days than it has been to have lots of stuff available in the freezer and stuff so that I can switch stuff out.

Edit: I did a search on rotation diet -- I think I'm just finding something new to be paranoid about here. However, if anyone thinks I might have a valid concern, let me know!


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Erica, you have a very valid concern. It would be best if you wouldn't eat the same thing for more than two days in a row, and not have it again for three more days. I believe the best way is to rotate things to not be eaten more than once in four days.

A good example of this problem is my pears. Peeled pears were the only fruit left to me that have no salicylates at all. So, for a couple of months I ate at least two pears (different varieties) a day. Guess what, I became allergic to them! I couldn't eat any for a couple of months, and now I have one maybe once every two to four days, and it seems okay. It was a great loss, but it made me smarten up and finally believe that you really, truly shouldn't eat the same thing every day, or you might lose this one food you love!

emcmaster Collaborator

I was under the impression that the reason you become allergic to foods you eat often is because you have leaky gut syndrome. If you are tested and treated for it, it's not longer a problem.

Am I mistaken?

Ursa Major Collaborator

Elizabeth, you're partially wrong. Having a leaky gut makes matters worse. But in general, it is a bad idea to eat the very same thing every day, leaky gut or not.

emcmaster Collaborator
Elizabeth, you're partially wrong. Having a leaky gut makes matters worse. But in general, it is a bad idea to eat the very same thing every day, leaky gut or not.

Thanks for the clarification. What a nightmare this celiac related stuff is! <_<

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Okay --

It finally hit home for me over the last two weeks that I cannot eat almost all dairy right now _at all_, even if I take Lactaid. My Enterolab casein test was negative, and I am still using Lactaid milk in my coffee with no problem -- so I really think this is lactose intolerance. However, I was expecting the lactose reaction symptoms to be mostly GI-related and milder than the gluten. That hasn't been the case -- my lactose reactions of late have included levels of anxiety and insomnia and fatigue that just stress my body out waaaaaaaay too much.

This must be that 4-5 month thing where intolerances start showing up.

So, I've been working to put on weight and have been eating an avocado/cashew salad thing every day for the past three or four days as part of the project -- it occurs to me suddenly that I could be setting myself up for new intolerances -- which I just couldn't tolerate! Were I to lose avocados or cashews, I think I'd be really upset.

How should I approach things so I don't overdo it with one food and develop a new intolerance? Is this a legitimate concern? I'm suddenly cooking for one right now, so it's been easier to eat one thing for a couple of days than it has been to have lots of stuff available in the freezer and stuff so that I can switch stuff out.

Edit: I did a search on rotation diet -- I think I'm just finding something new to be paranoid about here. However, if anyone thinks I might have a valid concern, let me know!

I had experiences with peaches, apricots, and corn syrup where bad reactions developed after eating them almost everyday for a few weeks. But with rice I've been eating it everyday for 2 months and don't see any big problems. Maybe certain foods need the rotation diet more than others (those high in lectins or salicylates), not sure.

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