What Is Wrong With Some People.

[Rusla]

A writer's group I have been involved with for many years has got so many people on it who are trying to censure others. I find it strange that a writers who are usually against censorship try to really curtail other people.

Here is the deal, they asked the question as what do you believe. I stated my views on said subject and stated that I personally could not believe said theory but if others wanted to that was fine.

Well some cry baby runs to the owner and said I mocked and belittled them, which I did not. I stated my views and reasons why I personally believed it and ended it. I said it was others perrogative to believe whichever way they preferred. So, 5 months after the fact they are now crying about the fact I do not share their views and my posts should be deleted. Then I get someone going nuts on me.

I thought they were writers and adults. If they said they only wanted people who agreed with them to reply then they should have said so. When someone doesn't agree with me I don't go cry baby all over the place. I take it that some people do not or will never share my views and that if fine.

This is my little tirade.

So my question is do you expect everyone to agree with you and how would you take it if someone did not share your opinions?

Would you take it to that person or scream to the moderators that you want them to be deleted because you did not like their views on the subject?

Now see me get in trouble for this post.

[Canadian Karen]

Why would you get in trouble for this post? I took it to read that it is a writer's group you are part of, nothing to do with this site.... Ah well, I have come to realize Rusla that it takes all kinds to make the world go round, nothing surprises me anymore (especially after "reliving" celiachap and posting a link to his thread (on the Kimberly Clark thread) that made me hang up my moderator shoes permanently....)

Don't let them get the better of you. I have a new philosophy: For each thing I allow myself to get my knickers in a knot about, I get another wrinkle - so I just keep that in mind now, and that stops me from getting my knickers in a knot!!!! Why should I give them the chance to give me another wrinkle?????

Hugs!

Karen

[Rusla]

Good thing I took my knickers off before I read their garbage.

I actually need them like I need a wrinkle (not the knickers, the cry babies.)

I just had to air my knickers out on this.

I have found it hard to believe on many lists that people are like this but then it shouldn't surprise me. At my job I am constantly listening to people whine about why everything should be for them. It is like running a day care.

[debmidge]

I have found that the ones who cry the most about what someone is saying that it's "offensive" are the biggest bullies on the board who want everyone to agree with them.

I might read something which is offensive to me, yet to 9 of out 10 people they would be scratching their heads to try to figure it out. But I am not about to make a issue of it. Maybe I read it wrong, maybe the writer didn't exactly express what they wanted to. I am not about to read into anything that isn't there. Benefit of doubt is needed.

Every forum has their bulllies, like grade schools. The cry baby is using "passive-aggressive" tactics to get their way and could be based on jealousy that perhaps the group really agrees with you.....

So are you leaving that writing group?

[Michi8]

  Rusla said:

So my question is do you expect everyone to agree with you and how would you take it if someone did not share your opinions?

Would you take it to that person or scream to the moderators that you want them to be deleted because you did not like their views on the subject?

Now see me get in trouble for this post.

No, I don't expect everyone to agree. How I would take it would depend on the argument the person was making and how they were presenting it. Definitely wouldn't talk to a moderator about them unless it was a violation of the forum rules, or was extremely offensive. But if I just didn't like what they had to say, then I'd try to let it go and ignore it.

There are a few topics that I try to avoid in any forum. Religious beliefs is one, since it often gets heated and doesn't really go anywhere helpful. Another is politics.

Michelle

[Nancym]

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So my question is do you expect everyone to agree with you and how would you take it if someone did not share your opinions?

I never learned something from someone that agreed with me. I've been posting on a particular web site for years where we debate about just about everything. How fun would that be if we agreed?

You're not the only one to run into this on message forums. Some get very cliche-y and if you dare to state your own opinion you're likely to get ostracized. I figure that's a good time to bail. I used to post on this web site dedicated to a particular type of diet and one woman gave me hell for posting a recipe with turnips in it, in fact quite a few people got their noses bent out of shape over the turnips. Turnips? Yeah, I laugh now but that lady even stalked me to another web site and chewed me out over there too. All because of bloody turnips.

[Electra]

It's my opinion and my opinion ONLY that some people just have such strong feelings and views about things that they can't even STAND anyone even talking about anything that varies from their staight and narrow belief on certain things. Sometimes the subjects scare them so much that they just refuse to hear anything else.

It's just that someone somewhere along the line drilled it into their heads a certain way and that's what they believe to be true. I believe certain things very strongly, but I also do not BELIEVE it's my right to push "what is right for me" onto someone else. We are all different people and just because something is "WRONG" for me does not make it "WRONG" for someone else. I can NEVER claim that what I would chose would be a better choice, because I HAVE NOT walked in anyone elses shoes but mine and they have not walked in mine either.

That's my 2 cents LOL!!

[Felidae]

If everyone agreed with each other, we would all be eating the same food, chasing the same man/woman and living in the same house. We have to disagree on some topics because it is human nature and as someone else posted, you can learn from other peoples opinions.

[2Boys4Me]

As long as everyone agrees with me and abides by the opinions I tell them to have, we'll all get along fine.

[Rusla]

LOL.

I wrote them my farewell message and told them to quit being cry babies and act like open-minded adults, they are supposed to be. If they had a problem they should take it up with me as I was now taking it up with all of them. Told them I did not want to be in charge of a kindergarten because I deal with adults like that at work.

I have had many writing me and telling me to stay but the owner wants me to edit my posts and I refuse to do so because there was nothing offensive or abusive in them.

We will see how many will prostrate themselves before me and beg mercy but usually when I leave a group I don't return. There has been a couple of exceptions.

Why people want others to think and be like them I will never know. How dreadfully boring.

[debmidge]

  Michi8 said:

There are a few topics that I try to avoid in any forum. Religious beliefs is one, since it often gets heated and doesn't really go anywhere helpful. Another is politics.

Michelle

I feel that the politics surrounding celiac (whether testing or insurance companies paying for testing or product labeling) is something we should talk about. And I am sure we are all in agreement about this.

[tiffjake]

  Rusla said:

Why people want others to think and be like them I will never know. How dreadfully boring.

I agree Rusla! I have strong opinions (and I made the stupid mistake of posting them here once and it started a flash fire that scott put out quickly by deleting the thread) and I try to keep them to myself. BUT, it sounds like, in your case, there was a question posed, ASKING for your beliefs, and you responded, and they didn't like your response?!?! That is crazy! I say= Lets disagree, lets "talk" about why, lets be grown-up individuals, lets find some common ground, and move on! I always enjoy a good debate, and good conversation, and I love learning why people think what they think (or believe). But I can't stand it when people act like their *thoughts* or *beliefs* are FACT. I think I am right, that does not mean I KNOW I am right. You know what I mean?

[zansu]

I don't buy that everyone gets their own version of truth and that everyone's opinion is equally "right", because that's just plain impossible. (If I'm firmly convinced the earth is round and you're convinced it's flat, one of us is wrong) However, I completely defend your prerogative to be wrong!

IOW, I don't have to agree with what you say to defend your right to say it.

however, frequently folks, especially in the anonymity and sometimes impersonalness of a board, cross over from disagreeing with opinions or beliefs into attacking persons. They can't disassociate the concept from the person -- someone who is really nice might disagree vehemently with me. that should not mean we're enemies, or that that person is stupid, it simply means we disagree. Unless of course, I am insecure in my foundational beliefs and someone's conflicting opinion can shake my world. Then I have a serious problem and am likely to vigorously attack anyone who "threatens" my world.

I think it's part of the culture that "I am the center of the world". Therefore my opinions are always correct, therefore anyone who disagrees with me is obviously wrong. The humility that "I don't know everything" and "I am not total enlightenment to everyone I meet" is alien to some.

[Electra]

  zansu said:

Unless of course, I am insecure in my foundational beliefs and someone's conflicting opinion can shake my world. Then I have a serious problem and am likely to vigorously attack anyone who "threatens" my world.

Wow that is exactly what I was trying to say in my post when I talked about some people being scared to death of other peoples views. You are definitely much better at articulating your point of view then I am at articulating mine. That just proves that typing doesn't always come across as you want it to. I tried and tried to word it correctly too, but it just sounds so clear when you say it !!

I do have the gift of gab, but I guess that doesn't mean I can articulate my point very well lol!!

[Sillyyakdidi]

  Rusla said:

A writer's group I have been involved with for many years has got so many people on it who are trying to censure others. I find it strange that a writers who are usually against censorship try to really curtail other people.

Here is the deal, they asked the question as what do you believe. I stated my views on said subject and stated that I personally could not believe said theory but if others wanted to that was fine.

Well some cry baby runs to the owner and said I mocked and belittled them, which I did not. I stated my views and reasons why I personally believed it and ended it. I said it was others perrogative to believe whichever way they preferred. So, 5 months after the fact they are now crying about the fact I do not share their views and my posts should be deleted. Then I get someone going nuts on me.

I thought they were writers and adults. If they said they only wanted people who agreed with them to reply then they should have said so. When someone doesn't agree with me I don't go cry baby all over the place. I take it that some people do not or will never share my views and that if fine.

This is my little tirade.

So my question is do you expect everyone to agree with you and how would you take it if someone did not share your opinions?

Would you take it to that person or scream to the moderators that you want them to be deleted because you did not like their views on the subject?

Now see me get in trouble for this post.

Some people are just whiners, (them, not you), and I think you're totally right in venting, p.s. i'm semi new on this board, and the bottom of your sig. makes me laugh so hard!

[Michi8]

  debmidge said:

I feel that the politics surrounding celiac (whether testing or insurance companies paying for testing or product labeling) is something we should talk about. And I am sure we are all in agreement about this.

That would definitely be appropriate and important for this forum.

Michelle

[Jestgar]

  Electra said:

Wow that is exactly what I was trying to say in my post when I talked about some people being scared to death of other peoples views.

Yours was very well said too, electra. I meant to tell you that and I'm sorry I didn't take the time. I though it was a very insightful statement especially coming from someone who always seems to approach things lightly. Just another example of people being much more complex than what they type on the screen.