Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Bloodwork Question...


stomica

Recommended Posts

stomica Rookie

My 3 year old daughter was tested for celiac about 6 months ago...the antigliadin IgA's and IgG's were both elevated but the reticulin and endomysial antibodies were negative. Because the antigliadin antibodies were elevated, the ped GI wanted to retest her, which we just did last week. Course they performed different tests this time, so we're unable to compare, but they did the endomysial and the ttg tests which were negative. Her total IgA's (not antigliadin specific) were actually elevated, so she's not IgA deficient. Just wondering if I should interpret this bloodwork as an absolute negative. The allergist did suggest trying a gluten-free diet due to the possibility of a wheat intolerance instead of celiac. Just wondering what your thoughts are! Thanks in advance!

Sue


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



mommida Enthusiast

Kid's with Celiac by Danna Korn has a chart in it for test results.

+ EMA-Iga/tTG

+AGA-IgG

=Interpretation - Celiac Disease almost certain

That is directly from the book and I am not a doctor!

Laura

stomica Rookie

So you're saying if the endomysial antibody is positive, along with the anti-gliadin IgG...then celiac is almost certain? Well, my daughter's EMA was negative on two different occasions. Funny, the allergist said that many people can have elevated anti-gliadin IgG's, but the IgA's were the ones that were most correlated with celiac. I would definitely be inclined to believe this man - he's very knowledgable and very well respected. (He's also very open minded, which is definitely a plus!) Thanks for your reply!

Sue

ryebaby0 Enthusiast

Your allergist is correct -- elevated IgG for gliadin is not necessarily specific for celiac. EMA is both very specific for celiac and a very good predictor (so a negative means negative most of the time...). IgA can be negative because you are celiac and don't have any, or negative because you aren't celiac at all. If your daughter's came back elevated, you know she actually has IgAs running around. Anyhow, a negative EMA and a negative tTg is going to be negative for celiac in most people's cases....

joanna

gf4life Enthusiast

Don't really want to cause more confusion, but I thought I should point out that a positive IgA antigliadin test shows a reaction to gliadin(gluten), negative IgA tTg and EMA mean that the damage to the intestine is not severe enough to be called celiac, but your allergist is correct that it could be an intolerance to wheat (or gluten) and just not full blown Celiac. No one can say for certain if your daughter will get Celiac Disease later, but you could avoid it all toghether by trying the diet. I assume she must have symptoms or you wouldn't be testing her? If you are finished with testing at this point then it wouldn't be a bad thing to try the diet like the allergist suggested. If her symptoms improve, then you can be pretty sure that gluten is bothering her. You could also have her gene tested. Enterolab does a very good gene test, that included the genes for gluten intolerance, as well as the main genes for Celiac. It costs about $150. You don't need a doctors order either, and you do the test at home. Some people like the idea of having the gene test be private, since they don't want to be discriminated against by future insurance companies who don't want to cover you because you have a genetic disorder...So with Enterolab you have the choice of sharing the results with your doctor or not.

God bless,

Mariann

stomica Rookie

Thanks for all the info! Yes my daughter does have symptoms, but she was actually diagnosed with inflammatory bowel disease. I still am a bit skeptical about the diagnosis, so I find myself questioning other possibilities. Her ped GI said she could have celiac in addition to IBD so that's why she's been tested. Her symptoms include loose, foul stools with mucous and, on occasion, trace amounts of blood. We first thought it was a dairy allergy. When we took dairy out of her diet, the blood increased. We did the elimination diet twice - the first time for 3 weeks and the second for 2 weeks. Both times, the blood in her stool increased. I know celiac doesn't normally cause blood, but I'm just wondering why taking dairy out increased her symptoms. Seems she was eating more wheat at the time to make up for the lack of dairy, so it seems logical that she was having some sort of reaction to wheat. But I guess you could also explain it by saying that gluten is tough on the body...it can be even tougher on a damaged intestinal tract causing more blood to appear. Anyway, enough about that. Thanks again for all the info! (By the way, I thought about Enterolab, but I'm very skeptical about the accuracy of the tests.)

Sue

3boyzmom Newbie
  Funny, the allergist said that many people can have elevated anti-gliadin IgG's, but the IgA's were the ones that were most correlated with celiac.

Unfortunately, it is very true... and it means that there are A LOT of people out there with a gluten intolerance that aren't being helped. Elevated IgA is more specific to damage in the intestines... but an elevated IgG is nothing to ignore. The IgG antibodies are the one's that roam freely throughout the body and they are the one's, I believe, are causing the 'other' disorders that have been linked to celiac disease: thyroid, arthritis, diabetes...

If you have a gluten intolerance, evidenced by elevated antibodies to gliadin (IgA or IgG), then the only way to prevent from developing any disorder is to abstain from gluten.

The cure is simple and you don't need a prescription or a doctor to do it! :)


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - trents replied to catnapt's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      5

      how much gluten do I need to eat before blood tests?

    2. - MauraBue posted a topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      0

      Have Tru Joy Sweets Choco Chews been discontinued??

    3. - catnapt replied to catnapt's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      5

      how much gluten do I need to eat before blood tests?

    4. - suek54 replied to suek54's topic in Dermatitis Herpetiformis
      7

      Awaiting dermatitis herpetiformis confirmation following biopsy

    5. - knitty kitty replied to suek54's topic in Dermatitis Herpetiformis
      7

      Awaiting dermatitis herpetiformis confirmation following biopsy

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,260
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    MauraBue
    Newest Member
    MauraBue
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.6k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • trents
      The rate of damage to the villous lining of the SB and the corresponding loss of nutrient absorbing efficiency varies tremendously from celiac to celiac. Yes, probably is dose dependent if, by dose dependent you mean the amount of exposure to gluten. But damage rates and level of sensitivity also seem to depend on the genetic profile. Those with both genes HLA-DQ2 and HLA-DQ8 seem to be more sensitive to minor amounts of gluten exposure than those with just one of those genes and those with only DQ2 seem to be more sensitive than those with only DQ8. But there are probably many factors that influence the damage rate to the villi as well as intensity of reaction to exposure. There is still a lot we don't know. One of the gray areas is in regard to those who are "silent" celiacs, i.e. those who seem to be asymptomatic or whose symptoms are so minor that they don't garner attention. When they get a small exposure (such as happens in cross contamination) and have no symptoms does that equate to no inflammation? We don't necessarily know. The "sensitive" celiac knows without a doubt, however, when they get exposure from cross contamination and the helps them know better what food products to avoid.
    • MauraBue
      Help!  My 5 year old daughter just stopped eating dairy and gluten due to her EoE and Celiac.  Her favorite candy in the world is tootsie rolls.  I did some research, and it sounds like these are the only options for finding something similar, but I can't find them anywhere to actually purchase.  Have they been discontinued??  Does anyone have another recommendation for a gluten-free/DF tootsie roll option?
    • catnapt
      I wonder how long it usually takes and if it is dose dependent as well... or if some ppl have a more pronounced reaction to gluten than others   thanks again for all the great info    
    • suek54
      Wow KK, thank you so much for all your attached info. I had a very quick scan but will read more in depth later.  The one concerning corticosteroid use is very interesting. That would relate to secondary adrenal insufficiency I think , ie AI caused by steroids such as taken long term for eg asthma. I have primary autoimmune AI, my adrenals are atrophied, no chance if recovery there. But I am in touch with some secondaries, so something to bear in mind. .  Niacin B3 Very interesting too. Must have a good read about that.  Im sure lots of questions will arise as I progress with dermatitis herpetiformis. In the mean time, thanks for your help.
    • knitty kitty
      Welcome to the forum, @suek54, I have Dermatitis Herpetiformis, too.  I found taking Niacin B3 very helpful in clearing my skin from blisters as well as improving the itchies-without-rash (peripheral neuropathy).  Niacin has been used since the 1950's to improve dermatitis herpetiformis.   I try to balance my iodine intake (which will cause flairs) with Selenium which improves thyroid function.   Interesting Reading: Dermatitis herpetiformis effectively treated with heparin, tetracycline and nicotinamide https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10844495/   Experience with selenium used to recover adrenocortical function in patients taking glucocorticosteroids long https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24437222/   Two Cases of Dermatitis Herpetiformis Successfully Treated with Tetracycline and Niacinamide https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30390734/   Steroid-Resistant Rash With Neuropsychiatric Deterioration and Weight Loss: A Modern-Day Case of Pellagra https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12532421/#:~:text=Figure 2.,(right panel) upper limbs.&text=The distribution of the rash,patient's substantial response to treatment.   Nicotinic acid therapy of dermatitis herpetiformis (1950) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15412276/
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.