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Gluten And Lung Cancer


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grapevine Newbie

I like to know if anyone has experience with lung cancer as a result of gluten sensitivity. I am trying to convine my relative who just got diagnosed with lung cancer to start gluten free diet. Any references are appreciated.


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blueeyedmanda Community Regular

Hi

I am not sure I understand. What makes you want to have them start a gluten free diet? What makes you point to this?

Luisa2552 Apprentice

I lost my mom to lung cancer after a 2 year battle with it. (BTW, I'm adopted so my celiac disease did not come from her). She was a non smoker so I was especially interested in finding out as much as I could about this disease. I must have read dozenes of books, articles...anything I could get my hands on. I never remember reading anything about a connection with celiac disease or gluten free diet. The one diet that was most commonly mentioned in relation to living with any cancer was the macrobiotic diet.

ravenwoodglass Mentor
I like to know if anyone has experience with lung cancer as a result of gluten sensitivity. I am trying to convine my relative who just got diagnosed with lung cancer to start gluten free diet. Any references are appreciated.

Does this person have celiac related symptoms? Or a family history if celiac related problems?

I also have never seen anything that would correlate lung cancer with gluten intolerance. However someone who works in a profession like drywall worker, baker or perhaps a wheat farmer could have problems from breathing it in and if they had celiac disease also that would make them sicker.

The diet is a very healthy one but in someone who is already under a lot of stress I would want to be sure they needed it before trying to insist they go on it.

Ursa Major Collaborator

I also have never heard that lung cancer could be caused by gluten. It is cancer of the intestinal tract that is associated with gluten.

Sara, the macrobiotic diet is very unhealthy. The people who invented it both died of cancer, and were very heavy smokers. Because the diet is so unbalanced that it doesn't give you enough energy to get through the day without stimulants!

blueeyedmanda Community Regular
I also have never heard that lung cancer could be caused by gluten. It is cancer of the intestinal tract that is associated with gluten.

Sara, the macrobiotic diet is very unhealthy. The people who invented it both died of cancer, and were very heavy smokers. Because the diet is so unbalanced that it doesn't give you enough energy to get through the day without stimulants!

I work with cancer patients and I too have never heard of this diet being the one they tell people about when they have cancer. This diet could only cause harm on their already weakened systems.

The popular diet for cancer patients is a neutropenic diet. It is given after certain types of chemo or transplants. This is only prescribed once a patients blood counts become so low that infection can come on very quickly.

This diet is where you can not eat fresh fruit/veggies, bakery items such as cakes and muffins..etc. Certain types of dairy and cheese products.

Fiddle-Faddle Community Regular

Well, maybe the original poster here is on to something.

I have read about gluten sensitivity being linked with asthma--and my own exercise-induced asthma completely disappeared after going off gluten. There is also a current thread wondering if gluten sensitivity is linked with pleurisy--and several of us posted that we have had pleurisy attacks.

If gluten sensitivity CAN result in the lungs being affected, then it is possible that there might be some kind of relationship with lung cancer, isn't it? Remember, some people do NOT suffer intestinal problems with gluten, but other organs are attacked by the immune system as a direct result of gluten intolerance.

Who's to say that lung cancer is unrelated? We just don't know.


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Ursa Major Collaborator
Well, maybe the original poster here is on to something.

I have read about gluten sensitivity being linked with asthma--and my own exercise-induced asthma completely disappeared after going off gluten. There is also a current thread wondering if gluten sensitivity is linked with pleurisy--and several of us posted that we have had pleurisy attacks.

If gluten sensitivity CAN result in the lungs being affected, then it is possible that there might be some kind of relationship with lung cancer, isn't it? Remember, some people do NOT suffer intestinal problems with gluten, but other organs are attacked by the immune system as a direct result of gluten intolerance.

Who's to say that lung cancer is unrelated? We just don't know.

You might be right. But I found that finally my allergies are getting better because of treatment for Addison's disease. Apparently low aldosterone causes allergies and intolerances.

Too bad that it hasn't improved my gluten intolerance! I ate something with gluten the other day to try it, and got really sick. Darn!

But I was exposed to my daughter's dog a week ago, and didn't get asthma! I was in her house for an hour, and before I would be there for five minutes and would get asthma.

Fiddle-Faddle Community Regular

Hmmm, very interesting. I just looked up Addison's disease, and it said that 70% of cases are caused by autoimmune attack.

I seem to be at a phase where I want to blame everything on gluten. :ph34r: Couldn't years of gluten consumption in a gluten-intolerant or celiac person result in gluten-induced Addison's disease? I would think that once something like Addison's is set off, it might not spontaneously resolve even when gluten-free.

Sorry you got sick, Ursa--hope you're feeling better now! BTW, are you still playing the violin?

grapevine Newbie
Hi

I am not sure I understand. What makes you want to have them start a gluten free diet? What makes you point to this?

Some members of the family have been tested via Enterlo(? spell?) lab with positive gluten sensitivity. I just like to make sure we can improve immunity by avoiding possible allergenic foods.

I also did a google search for his particular type of lung cancer ( Neuroendocrine ) and gluten, it did come out with some interesting links.

From the book "Trace your genes to Health" by Dr. Chris Reading, he has had many success treating cancer patients by eliminating gluten.

ravenwoodglass Mentor
Some members of the family have been tested via Enterlo(? spell?) lab with positive gluten sensitivity. I just like to make sure we can improve immunity by avoiding possible allergenic foods.

I also did a google search for his particular type of lung cancer ( Neuroendocrine ) and gluten, it did come out with some interesting links.

From the book "Trace your genes to Health" by Dr. Chris Reading, he has had many success treating cancer patients by eliminating gluten.

If family members have tested positive for gluten intolerance then yes they certainly should be following the diet. Many think, at least until they get here :) that gluten sensitivity is not as serious as full blown celiac. Most because their doctors have told them that. There is so much we don't know about the effects of years of being poisoned by this very toxic item, our systems have to work so hard just to try and fight the effects it doesn't give it the chance to fight off much else.

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