Celiac Disease Antibiotic Cure?

[home-based-mom]

This thread is going down a rabbit trail away from its original intent, but as the tropic of mercury keeps coming up, I am going to throw this in.

You may or may not be aware that fluorescent light bulbs will soon be mandatory almost everywhere. For those who cannot tolerate the wavelength, this in and of itself is a nightmare because if they don't stockpile a lifetime supply (literally) of incandescent bulbs, they will be sitting at home in the dark.

But the rest of us face an issue as well. We have all broken an incandescent bulb at one time or another. We sweep it up and life goes on. Here is the EPA's instructions for cleaning up a broken fluorescent bulb.

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We all know that some people won't get the message and some people won't bother and whatever. We have only just begun to see the extent of mercury poisoning.

[Rachel--24]

Stop for a second and think about that... there are a lot of supertoxic elements where even a tiny amount is fatal BUT even these have an actual use in the human body...(in tiny amounts).

Yes...you're right...mercury has no known use in the body and its toxic to everyone.

While its true that other toxic elements have an actual use in the body....the presence of mercury can vastly increase the toxicity of those elements as well as mercury itself. Copper is one element that is toxic if elevated....but its also an essential element....it is an important cofactor for many enzymes in the body. Mercury is known to disturb copper metabolism....increasing the copper levels in the body.....while at the same time creating a deficiency (biounavailability).

I'm personalising again...but I do have copper toxicity (seen in blood and urine) as a result of mercury toxicity.

So its one thing to say that some levels of toxic elements are safe in the body....but this can change drastically when mercury is added into the mix....or if for some reason any of these other elements reaches a toxic level.

It is impossible to determine the exact toxic level of mercury or mercury containing compounds that is safe for all humans. There are several reasons why mercury should not be considered safe for humans at the measurable levels currently reported as ' safe" by current government monitoring agencies. One of these is the obvious effects of other metals on increasing the toxicity of identical levels of mercury.

An example is that of zinc ion, an essential metal for normal cell function. Yet, in the presence of mercuric ion, the addition of zinc enhances the toxicity level significantly . Cadmium and lead are even more potent at enhancing the toxicity of mercuric ion. This concept of synergistic toxicity of mercury with other metals is supported by prior research that demonstrated that a mixture of mercury and lead at LD I levels of each metal produced a mixture with an LD 100 effect, at least 50 times the additive effect minimally expected.

As I mentioned in a previous post...vaccines contain additional toxic ingredients which would increase the toxicity of mercury in the body....one of those being aluminum. Synergy is a factor that is not taken into consideration when claims are made that low doses of mercury are "safe".

The same is true of amalgams.

All amalgam constituents corrode when more noble metals as gold, platinum or palladium are present in the same mouth. The electric element generated together with the saliva provides for that. The toxicity of more heavy metals is highly synergistic. Every pipe fitter knows not to mix different metals to avoid corrosion.

[CarlaB]

Otherwise I agree completely that prescriptions for antibiotics are handed out far too often and without just cause.

I agree. They are handed out for things where they are unnecessary.

I think another problem is they are also prescribed for too SHORT a time when necessary, and ultimately, this is what promotes resistance ... resistance becomes a big problem when an infection is under-treated and re-treatment is needed.

This being said, I have been on abx for the past 16 months. I had NO LIFE left and was almost completely bedridden a little over a year ago. The antibiotics, anti-malarials, anti-fungals, supplements, herbs, etc. have literally saved my life. There are definitely times where they are medically necessary.

Also, heavy metal toxicity is a BIG problem. Like gfp said, now that we know mercury is toxic, it has been removed from a lot of our everyday products (hats, etc.) and is no longer used to treat disease. But I don't think we've removed enough of it.

It's not the only metal problem. I was toxic in lead. I have not eaten any lead paint, so I have no idea where this came from other than growing up in an industrial part of the US.

[Rachel--24]

However this is really not recent,

By far the largest mercury exposure today comes from amalgam fillings and thee have been around for almost 200 years.

True....but amalgams that we have in our mouth today are not the same "formula" that was used in dentistry 150 years ago. The fillings have always been unstable (leaking mercury) however, they became even more unstable when the formula changed in the 1970's. The fillings in my mouth would not have been the same as the ones in my great grand mothers mouth.

It was in the early 1970

[Rachel--24]

As for thimerosal ... what do we expect, the FDA to accept responsibility for being wrong? Seriously, that just isn't going to happen...

You're probably right.....but does this mean that we should just turn our heads and continue to have our children repeatedly injected with known neurotoxins? I cant speak for other parents but I know that IF I become a mother....I will opt for safer alternatives. There ARE formulas which are free of mercury....I may have to pay out of pocket for them but I feel it would be in the best interest of my child to not expose him/her to large amounts of toxins unnecessarily.

Its only when people start to demand safer alternatives that chages will be made.

I posted the extract from the FDA as it actually say's it is used in Flu Vaccines and susieg had a flu vaccine! (I wasn't disagreeing at all simply providing the information that its still used in flu vaccines)

Sorry if there was a misunderstanding. Your post also stated that mercury is no longer used in vaccines (other than the flu shot).....which is not true. Thats the part I was referring to in my post....that mercury has not yet been removed from all vaccines. It is still present in the ones I listed.

We all grew up with a lot more environmental mercury and our grandparents still more...

No...our grandparents grew up with less of *everything*....less mercury, less preservatives, less pollution, less chemicals, less EMF's...etc. etc. Toxicity on this planet is not dimishing....it is increasing....hence the increase in chronic disease and neurological conditions such as Autism.

Unfortunately, children today are exposed to FAR greater amounts of *everything*.

Many of them are BORN mercury toxic. We are more toxic then previous generations...therefore our children are more toxic. Our own mercury burden is transferred to the fetus....when the mother has amalgams (and dont forget that they release more mercury since the 70's) the baby is exposed to SIGNIFICANT amounts of mercury vapor. The fetus is much more susceptible to the toxicity of mercury. The amount of mercury in babies correlates directly with the amount of fillings in the mother's mouth.

However overall the balance is millions of deaths prevented through vaccinations ...

Fighting against vaccinations is I believe wrong... the evidence of the lives saved is overwhelming.

I'm not for vaccinating against trivial illnesses based on "it costs less" to vaccinate than treat, I'm not for using mercury as a preservative... but I am strongly against the idea vaccinations are bad.

I dont think anyone here is saying that vaccines are "bad". Its not the vaccines themselves...but rather the toxic ingredients and the AMOUNT of vaccines that are mandatory...and the fact that SEVERAL vaccines are routinely given on the same day.

I've already discussed this with my Dr.'s (who treat autistic children) and NONE of them have suggested NOT vaccinating. Personally, I believe that the vaccines are necessary....I would use an alternative shedule, I would wait until my child was 2 years old for many of the vaccines and I would not accept vaccines that were unnecessary. I would split up the triple live virus vaccines (MMR) so that they are given seperately and not on the same day....which is less stress on the immune system.

Since we ARE living in a world that is more toxic...we have to make smarter decisions. What may have been "safe" 200 years ago may not be today. Bombarding kids with known immunesuppressants IMO is not a smart decision nowadays.

[Calicoe]

I do believe that thimerosal in the flu shot can tip the scales for some people. My own Dr.'s advised me to NOT ever get a flu shot unless I wanted to significantly worsen my condition.

I believe the highest exposure comes from amalgam fillings....as they continuously release mercury vapor. Vaccines are an "all at once" type of exposure...but can definately be too much for someone who is unable to excrete it....like what is seen in cases of Autism.

All of my Dr.'s have stated (with regards to toxicity) that the "event" which triggers the onset of symptoms is very rarely the cause of the illness. Toxicity is building up in all the years prior to the onset of symptoms. Chronic symptoms only appear when the burden becomes too high and the immune system becomes overwhelmed.

Everything piles up...I think of it like stacking one book on top of another, and another, and another. Eventually the "pile" is too high and everything comes crashing down. Its the same thing with toxins and health. Toxins are "stressors" and eventually if there are too many stressors our immune system may lose its ability to cope with all of it...at that point we can lose our good health.

I do think its important to trust your instinct. For me, it was the unsafe removal of fillings...that was when it all came crashing down. All of the Dr.'s and dentists dismissed my thoughts and my feelings for the first few years that I was sick. I never gave up....I read everything I could find, I did as much research as my brain could handle....I eventually ended up working with some very knowledgeable Dr.'s and now I can finally say that I'm getting better.

My health has improved alot in the past 6 months. After being sort of "stuck" for a long period of time I feel that I'm now on the road to recovery.

Dont give up!

Excellent description, and thanks so much for your research and encouragement, Rachel.

This is an example of why we cant always trust that what we are told is the whole truth. Nowadays we need to protect ourselves by becoming informed....and by making informed decisions about things like amalgam fillings, vaccinations, antibiotics, etc.

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Who is Dr. Paul Offit?

Some of you may recognize the name of Dr. Paul Offit, as he is a fairly frequent commentator for the pro-vaccination camp. But what do you know about Dr. Offit?

Dr. Offit, is not just a doctor who believes that vaccinations save lives.

Dr. Offit is also one of the patent holders of the rotavirus vaccine (Patent Application number 353547), and the recipient of a $350,000 grant from Merck for its development. Additionally, he is a consultant to Merck Pharmaceuticals.

Talk about conflict of interest.

So, in 1991, the premier U.S. vaccine expert told the chief of the largest U.S. vaccine manufacturer that they had to immediately produce mercury-free vaccines for Scandinavian children because the Scandinavians refused to expose their children to these unacceptable levels of mercury, which would eliminate Merck

[Rachel--24]

We all know that some people won't get the message and some people won't bother and whatever. We have only just begun to see the extent of mercury poisoning.

I have to agree with you on this. Unfortunately, if people dont get the message and learn how to protect themselves (and their children) things are only going to continue to escalate. Autism, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, Gastrointestinal disorders, Autoimmune Disease, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, Asthma, Allergies, etc. etc.....we will see alot more of these conditions in years to come.

I think another problem is they are also prescribed for too SHORT a time when necessary, and ultimately, this is what promotes resistance ... resistance becomes a big problem when an infection is under-treated and re-treatment is needed.

Another thing that promotes antibiotic resistant bacteria is mercury from amalgam fillings. (Imagine that! )

A survey of 356 patients who had not recently been exposed to antibiotics showed a high prevalence of mercury resistant bacteria. They were also significantly more likely to concurrently have resistance to two or more antibiotics

These findings prompted a three-university collaborative investigation in primates. This showed that a large proportion of common oral and intestinal bacteria became resistant to mercury two weeks after receiving amalgam fillings.

Nearly all the mercury-resistant bacteria were resistant to one or more antibiotics such as tetracycline, ampicillin, streptomycin and erythromycin. As in the human study, the monkeys had not had recent exposure to antibiotics, demonstrating that the bacteria had become antibiotic-resistant due to exposure to mercury from dental amalgam.

In both studies, the proportion of mercury and antibiotic-resistant bacteria declined markedly during the two months after amalgam removal.

These studies confirm earlier work carried out in Japan, which showed that strands of DNA could transfer the bacterial resistance to antibiotics and mercury to other bacteria. The mercury-resistant bacteria constantly recirculate the mercury as vapour-exacerbating the increase of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. Thus, the situation cannot improve until the source of the mercury is removed.

In a recent paper, a team from the Eastman Dental Institute pointed out: "It must be remembered that oral streptococci are a major cause of infective endocarditis with a high mortality". The general systemic consequences of the inability of antibiotics to contain or eliminate these resistant bacteria, commonly called 'superbugs', are an escalating and serious problem. The role of mercury in their growth should not be ignored.

Research has shown that mercury from dental amalgam fillings:

1. Increases mercury-resistant bacteria, resulting in the constant recycling of mercury in the body;

2. Increases antibiotic resistance in bacteria-the superbugs-with obviously more serious consequences;

3. That bacteria are capable, via DNA strands, of transferring their resistance to other neighboring bacteria; and

4. Mercury in the body and antibiotic resistant bacteria markedly decline after removal of mercury amalgam fillings.

IMO....this means that when mercury is an issue (as it is with amalgams) there is no guarantee that antibiotics are going to do any good. If the bacteria are resistant....I would imagine long term antibiotic treatment would do more harm than good in some cases.

This being said, I have been on abx for the past 16 months. I had NO LIFE left and was almost completely bedridden a little over a year ago. The antibiotics, anti-malarials, anti-fungals, supplements, herbs, etc. have literally saved my life. There are definitely times where they are medically necessary.

I do believe that there are times when they are necessary....and then there are times when they are hazardous. Personally, I believe that having your amalgams removed years ago has allowed you to do much better with antibiotic treatment then you may have done otherwise. You are fortunate.

Lyme is a bacteria that is sometimes referred to as a "superbug".....and most people with Lyme are also dealing with mercury toxicity.

[gfp]

Mercury cannot be created (by humans)...nor can it be destroyed...its an ALL natural element. This means that we do not ever get rid of mercury....we only add to what is already here. Since we DO release TONS of mercury into the environment each year....a decrease in environmental mercury would be an impossibility.

Not really, it just doesn't work like that...

We mine mercury ores (Cinnabar), refine and use... then it get adsorbed into living things from trees to plankton to fish...and me and you.

Then we die, get buried .... as you point out burning coal releases mercury... because that mercury was released and readsorbed into dead matter, it was buried and turned into coal.. endless cycle... but a cycle..

(honestly trust me on this my pre-grad thesis was on trace metals in the environment and their effect on health)

The good thing is that the amounts of things using mercury is decreasing... the use as a wood preservative has stopped which was one of the biggest uses along with mercury thermometers (again hardly used anymore except specialist ones) and batteries..... this is good because overall we use a lot less (the amount used in vaccines is trivial as a percent of mercury used ... it just happens to be one where they are directly injected)...

Hence environmental mercury is decreasing... because less is being released in industrial processes and that which is in the environment is slowly being adsorbed, gets buried and will end up again in milllions of years as coal. I know it sounds a little cold but when we die we will take that mercury with us... even methyl mercury is short lived outside the body... as we rot we release it but within 200 days it is half gone and 400 days 3/4 gone... and coal as a fuel is decreasing (faster elsewhere than the US but even in the US) ..

but I know that IF I become a mother....I will opt for safer alternatives. There ARE formulas which are free of mercury....I may have to pay out of pocket for them but I feel it would be in the best interest of my child to not expose him/her to large amounts of toxins unnecessarily.

In most cases yet if your child ever got suspected bacterial meningitis you'd probably (correctly) think what the heck...

The call might be wrong ... it might later turn out to be 'just' be viral meningitis ... but that wouldn't mean you were wrong to take the route least likely to kill them???

Don't get me wrong, I fully believe the use of mercury preservatives in vaccines is stupid and misguided... WHY TAKE THE CHANCE ... and I also believe this is due to corruption and interference in the FDA and similar organisations worldwide by the pharmaceutical industry ... (why pay more to make a safer vaccine in their view) .. and i think there are FAR FAR too many vaccinations for non-killer diseases...

BUT, I do think blaming mercury in the environment for all our woes is also misguided...

To go back the point of divergence on the thread ....

Why are more children getting allergies ....?

Let's throw this in the air....

Processed food making a large proportion of their diet ???

[Rachel--24]

Hence environmental mercury is decreasing... because less is being released in industrial processes and that which is in the environment is slowly being adsorbed, gets buried and will end up again in milllions of years as coal. I know it sounds a little cold but when we die we will take that mercury with us... even methyl mercury is short lived outside the body... as we rot we release it but within 200 days it is half gone and 400 days 3/4 gone... and coal as a fuel is decreasing (faster elsewhere than the US but even in the US) ..

The evidence does not really support this. There is WAY too much evidence to the contrary...and mercury is showing up everywhere in higher levels then ever seen before.

Excess Mercury Levels Increasing

Survey Shows Fifth of Women of Childbearing Age Are Affected

The last major national study of Americans' mercury exposure, conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in 1999 and 2000, concluded that about 12 percent of women of childbearing age had mercury levels that exceeded EPA's safety standard.

The new study found excess mercury levels in 21 percent of the 597 women of childbearing age who were tested.

"There is no other pollutant out there that has anywhere near this high a percentage of the U.S. population with exposure levels above the government's health advisory levels," said Maas, co-director of the Environmental Quality Institute. "Not lead, not arsenic, nothing."

Mercury is getting a lot of attention, both in the popular press and in state and federal regulatory agencies. Combustion systems, like coal-fired power plants, industrial boilers, incinerators, and cement kilns, are sources of mercury emissions to the air.

The annual global mercury emissions from all sources, natural and anthropogenic (human-caused), total roughly 6,600 to 7,200 short tons (non-metric tons) per year. The United States contributes an estimated 5 percent of the global human-caused mercury emissions (or about 167 short tons).

This contaminant, a combustion byproduct of power plants, is increasingly polluting land and water through air-borne deposition

A study by researchers at The University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio reveals a multiple-digits increase in the rate of autism for every 1,000 pounds of mercury released environmentally in Texas counties.

The study does not prove causation of autism by mercury, researchers are quick to point out.

The study compared mercury totals reported for 2001 in the 254 Texas counties to the rate of autism and special education services in nearly 1,200 Texas school districts. The districts, which range from urban to small metro to rural, enroll 4 million Texas children.

[CarlaB]

I believe that having your amalgams removed years ago has allowed you to do much better with antibiotic treatment then you may have done otherwise. You are fortunate.

This is absolutely, undeniably true. I went into remission for 12 years after having my amalgams removed and chelating without any antibiotic intervention at all.

In 2003 several things happened that caused me to come out of remission. During the 12 years I had random symptoms, so I know it was still there, but I was not ill. The three things that happened simultaneously were - 1) having two houses for five years unable to sell one, 2) getting another illness that required an antibiotic that treats Lyme, 3) being bitten by another tick. Without those three things, I would have probably never gotten sick again after the amalgam removal and mercury chelation.

I had at least 12 fillings.

[Rachel--24]

BUT, I do think blaming mercury in the environment for all our woes is also misguided...

I am not attempting to blame environmental mercury for all of our woes....however, I'm not going to downplay something that is clearly having an effect on our health as well as the health of our children. Personally, I think most of us would handle the environmental mercury if not for the heavier burden coming from amalgams and vaccines.

Why are more children getting allergies ....?

Let's throw this in the air....

Processed food making a large proportion of their diet ???

Alot of these children are having signs of allergies *before* they are eating large portions of processed foods. Kids are having asthma attacks *before* they are intoduced to a diet of processed foods.

The reality is that kids are exposed to large amounts of mercury *before* they are able to eat processed foods. Personally, I find it very unlikely that processed foods *alone* are causing such serious health problems at such a young age.

I'm not saying that processed foods are good for us and I'm not saying that they dont contribute greatly to the problems...however, I think the exposure to heavy metals is far more damaging at that age.

Mercury = allergies....and this is very well known.

Most of the toxins that we are exposed to we are able to excrete without too much difficulty. However, when mercury is in the body it has the ability to impair detoxification. It has the ability to influence the body's chemistry in MANY ways. Each toxic exposure is not a "seperate" issue....our bodies dont work that way. Synergy is a major factor as well. When we have mercury in the body other toxins do not leave as readily....that can include additional heavy metals, preservatives, additives, chemicals, etc. etc.

My point is that processed foods are not good to begin with....but when we have underlying issues such as mercury toxicity....these things have a greater potential for contributing to the body's overall toxic burden.

When mercury is effectively removed from the body (not just with the removal of fillings but with complete detoxification of mercury that is stored in tissue, organs, brain, etc) it is known that the body is then able to rid itself of other toxins without any additional treatment. Our bodies are less affected by other toxins when mercury is not getting in the way.

Mercury by itself (without any exposure to additional toxins) may not even cause significant problems......but the fact is that it has a direct effect on the immune system and on the body's biochemistry....and we ARE exposed to large amounts of toxins on a daily basis. Once mercury effects the body's ability to detoxify and once the additional toxins start to accumulate (along with more and more mercury) its only a matter of time before we start to suffer the consequences (i.e. chronic illness, allergies, immune dysfunction, chronic infections, etc.).

I'm personalizing again......but in my own situation I did not have *any* sign of sensitivity to processed foods, environmental allergens, foods of *any* kind (including gluten and dairy), chemicals, etc. etc....UNTIL I had been exposed to large amounts of mercury vapor with the removal of those 2 fillings.

Every sensitivity I have now (which has seemed endless at times) was not ever an issue during the first 3 decades of my life. Everything *became* an issue only after the exposure to mercury and other heavy metals became too great.

This could have occured much earlier in my life had I been exposed to the amount of mercury and other immunosuppressants in vaccinations that kids are subjected to nowadays. I did not recieve nearly as many vaccinations and I was HEALTHY! I did not suffer from diseases because I didnt recieve dozens of vaccines. Kids were HEALTHIER back then!

My Dr.'s have told me that HAD I been exposed to the this level of toxicity at age 1, rather than age 31, I would have undoubtedly been dealing with a diagnosis of Autism. Clearly my body could not handle the mercury. I'm fortunate that I enjoyed 3 decades of good health BECAUSE we did not have such a heavy vaccination schedule when I was a child.

[Calicoe]

Not really, it just doesn't work like that...

We mine mercury ores (Cinnabar), refine and use... then it get adsorbed into living things from trees to plankton to fish...and me and you.

Then we die, get buried .... as you point out burning coal releases mercury... because that mercury was released and readsorbed into dead matter, it was buried and turned into coal.. endless cycle... but a cycle..

(honestly trust me on this my pre-grad thesis was on trace metals in the environment and their effect on health)

The good thing is that the amounts of things using mercury is decreasing... the use as a wood preservative has stopped which was one of the biggest uses along with mercury thermometers (again hardly used anymore except specialist "ones) and batteries..... this is good because overall we use a lot less (the amount used in vaccines is trivial as a percent of mercury used ... it just happens to be one where they are directly injected)...

Hence environmental mercury is decreasing... because less is being released in industrial processes and that which is in the environment is slowly being adsorbed, gets buried and will end up again in milllions of years as coal. I know it sounds a little cold but when we die we will take that mercury with us... even methyl mercury is short lived outside the body... as we rot we release it but within 200 days it is half gone and 400 days 3/4 gone... and coal as a fuel is decreasing (faster elsewhere than the US but even in the US) ..

BUT, I do think blaming mercury in the environment for all our woes is also misguided...

To go back the point of divergence on the thread ....

Why are more children getting allergies ....?

Let's throw this in the air....

Processed food making a large proportion of their diet ???

I don't sense that anyone is blaming all of our woes on antibiotics or mercury, but rather taking a very realistic view of the hidden threats that are major factors in human health: overuse of antibiotics, a mercenary and/or disinterested health/pharma/agribusiness industry, and environmental pollutants.

By the way, according to many accounts, environmental pollutants have not decreased, but merely shifted to emerging economies (which also doesn't let the U.S. off the hook):

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"Already, China uses more coal than the United States, the European Union and Japan combined. And it has increased coal consumption 14 percent in each of the past two years in the broadest industrialization ever. Every week to 10 days, another coal-fired power plant opens somewhere in China that is big enough to serve all the households in Dallas or San Diego."

To make matters worse, India is right behind China in stepping up its construction of coal-fired power plants

[Calicoe]

As for increased allergies in children, that also has a multi-factor orgin:

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WE ACT initiated and helped implement a pilot study of a group of Harlem schoolchildren. The study (1) found that 75% of the children had visible traces of a substance indicating exposure to dangerous diesel fumes in their bodies. Another study (2) found that the level of diesel pollution in the air was directly related to bus traffic, with the highest levels of found around the Manhattanville Bus Depot. This data was used to influence the MTA to invest in clean diesel and pollution controls.

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School Bus Diesel Fumes May be Cause of Rise in Asthma

New Haven, CT -- School bus fumes may be to blame for the dramatic rise in asthma and other chronic respiratory illnesses among children across the country, according to a study.

The study, which was released Thursday, was done by researchers from the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies, Environment and Human Health Inc. and the University of Connecticut.

According to their report, children breathe school bus engine exhaust about 180 hours a year in the United States.

For the thousands of children with asthma and other respiratory illnesses, exposure to diesel exhaust and the chemicals in it is cause for concern, John Wargo, a researcher at the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies, said.