Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Need Help With 4 Year Old


taweavmo3

Recommended Posts

taweavmo3 Enthusiast

Ugh, I am at a loss here! My four year old wakes up in a screaming, raging fit until he eats. He has done this on and off since he was about a year old. When we took out milk, it seemed to improve but not entirely. He has always seemed sensitive to blood sugar fluctuations, and it just seems to be getting worse.

After he wakes up, he literally screams at everyone, telling us to not talk to him b/c it's making his ears hurt... and he complains about the light. Once I get him to eat something, and drink some orange juice, he calms down after about 30 minutes. This goes on throughout the day before mealtime. He'll be a absolute angel after he eats, then before lunchtime he'll have another rage episode where he screams, hits, etc until after he eats.

I am exhausted! More mentally than anything, the screaming first thing in the morning are really wearing me down. At first I thought it was a food sensitivity, but since he gets better after eating, I'm thinking it's low blood sugar. Are some kids just way more sensitive to low blood sugar than others?

When he was 9 months old, he almost died due to dehydration from rotovirus. His body became very acidotic, and I've always wondered if that had any effects on his system. It was shortly after that when his screaming fits in the morning and blood sugar issues began. It may not be related at all, and I'm probably just grasping at straws...but it's always been in the back of my mind.

Any ideas? He's gluten/casein free and mostly soy free. We had him checked for diabetes last year, but he was fine. I'm clueless, and worn down, lol. Thanks!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



dandelionmom Enthusiast

Have you tried giving him a hearty high protein snack just before bed? I would think that would help.

My daughter had really rough mornings before diagnosis and we suspected hypoglycemia. All that disappeared shortly after going gluten free though.

Is there a chance he needs an earlier bed time?

RiceGuy Collaborator

I don't know if blood sugar could have that effect, so I hope others can help you with that.

However, my first impression is a candida overgrowth. I can tell you, it DOES effect a person's mood, personality, temperament, etc. Blood sugar fluctuations do effect candida, as does acidity, and so many other things. Even the sensitivity to light and noise.

If you want to test whether it is candida, you could try some caprylic acid capsules, or one of the other candida killers. Barring any allergic reaction, these shouldn't have any negative effects even if candida is not an issue. But, if there is a candida overgrowth, you'll need to avoid sugars, vinegars (including ketchup), yeasts (including yeast risen breads), and most fruits. The time it takes for recovery depends on the person, the strictness to which the diet is maintained, severity of infection, and probably other factors.

I hope your child feels better very soon!

Juliebove Rising Star

My husband gets insanely annoying if he doesn't eat. I noticed this many years ago and it never got any better. The problem is he tends not to eat for long periods of time.

One thing I've done with him is to put snacks by his chair. He will eat if the food is right there and he doesn't get up and get it.

I spoke to a woman who said her coworker was the same way. He works two jobs and will go all day without eating. Then he gets surly.

I had reactive hypoglycemia for year before I finally was diagnosed with diabetes. I don't recall getting goofy or angry but I did pass out. What helped me was to have little bits of food throughout the day.

I almost always carried some trail mix with me that I made up mysef. It would have nuts, seeds, coconut, dried fruit, maybe some chocolate or carob chips. I would eat about a Tablespoon of that between meals.

For car trips I would take a piece of fruit leather or in more recent days, those little fruit snacks for kids. Just a couple of those between meals was all I needed to get my blood sugar back up.

Before we knew of my daughter's food allergies, she had problems such as not being able to pay attention, not doing well in school and chronic ear and sinus infections. But she did an odd thing. She seemed to think food would make things better. She would be eating a meal, throw down her fork in anger and demand a snack. I thought it was the weirdest thing. Somehow she knew that some sort of different food would make it better, but neither of us knew what. It was as if she were telling me the meal wasn't right.

Since we have changed the diet, she needs less snacks. She does go to dance class often right after school and on those days she needs a substantial snack because dinner might not be for hours. But so long as I space out her meals about 4 to 5 hours apart, she is fine.

Keep in mind that little kids can't eat as much food as we can at meal time. So they do need snacks between meals.

taweavmo3 Enthusiast

Thanks so much! It very well could be that I'm not feeding him often enough....with four kids, I get so wrapped up in doing things that I forget to give him a snack. Before I know it, it's been three hours since a meal, and he's already in a mood, yelling at anything that moves.

I ran out of probiotics for the kids a few weeks ago, maybe those were helping more than I realized. Hmmm, will have to get some more of those too. I gave him a snack before bed tonight, and I'm setting out some orange juice and pb on toast to eat before he comes out of his room to face the world. As for now, I'll enjoy my quiet house while the kiddos are asleep, and pray for a better day tomorrow, lol. Thanks again.

ang1e0251 Contributor

I tend to be hypoglycemic but that's improved since going gluten-free. I still need to eat something about every 2 hours. When my sugar crashes, I really get moody; grouchy and angry and can't think straight. I can relate to him. I don't wake up that way though. The high protein snack is the best for me but the juice? No, for me that would be too much sugar and out of balance. Don't get me wrong, I eat a lot of sugar probably more than I should. But if my blood sugar is low, it's a no-no. Cheese or meat is the best thing for me then. Nuts are good also.

I'm curious, are you feeding him alternate flours that are gluten-free? I'm finding that I need to limit those. I get heartburn and they don't seem to digest as well as other foods. I do well with corn tortillas but gluten-free crackers, and other treats are better in small amounts for me. I stopped making the bread. It just wasn't making me feel good. I don't really know how to descibe it to you. I don't get like a reaction but feel better without them. Do you think they could be messing with his blood sugar?

MarsupialMama Apprentice

Two things that are not really connected, but just some thoughts.

May be good to do a parasite cleanse. I had parasites for years and I acted this same way. When they were hungry, I would be an absolute grouch. Also suffered malnutrition from them, which contributes to funky attitudes. Felt shaky if I didn't eat RIGHT AWAY. This problem (as well as parasite cleansing) seem to go away when I cut out bread and oatmeal (possible gluten issue?)

Sounds like a possible blood sugar issue although I'm no expert. Not to scare you, but you might want to get your child's medical records and find out what they gave him at the hospital for dehydration. My daughter almost died from dehydration too (from vomiting from stomach virus), but when we went to the hospital they gave her a "glucose bolus" instead of just a saline solution in her I.V. It sent her into a shock which took her 3 days to recover from and get her blood sugar to decent levels (sent it up to 400. Normal blood sugar is around 100, varying by 10's). I have wondered if it will have affects on her later on (predispose to diabetes, or blood sugar issues), but so far she seems to be fine. Just a thought since you mentioned his hospital issues. They also told us that she had "acidosis" which later I found out is caused from DEHYDRATION (not because of some metabolic disorder they were testing for...and never found!) Dehydration causes acidosis (body being too acidic). Why don't doctors know basic biology??

I know this just gives you food for worry, but maybe there is a link which may help one day.

Make sure to keep him well hydrated (with water!) and off refined sugar - both will contribute to stabilizing b.s. in the long run.

Good luck!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to McKinleyWY's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      2

      Accuracy of testing concerns

    2. - trents replied to McKinleyWY's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      2

      Accuracy of testing concerns

    3. - McKinleyWY posted a topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      2

      Accuracy of testing concerns

    4. - trents replied to Teaganwhowantsanexpltion's topic in Introduce Yourself / Share Stuff
      4

      A little about me and my celiac disease

    5. - Peace lily replied to AristotlesCat's topic in Super Sensitive People
      118

      Gluten Free Coffee

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,238
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    tcpb
    Newest Member
    tcpb
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.6k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      Welcome to the forum, @McKinleyWY, For a genetic test, you don't have to eat gluten, but this will only show if you have the genes necessary for the development of Celiac disease.  It will not show if you have active Celiac disease.   Eating gluten stimulates the production of antibodies against gluten which mistakenly attack our own bodies.  The antibodies are produced in the small intestines.  Three grams of gluten are enough to make you feel sick and ramp up anti-gluten antibody production and inflammation for two years afterwards.  However, TEN grams of gluten or more per day for two weeks is required to stimulate anti-gluten antibodies' production enough so that the anti-gluten antibodies move out of the intestines and into the bloodstream where they can be measured in blood tests.  This level of anti-gluten antibodies also causes measurable damage to the lining of the intestines as seen on biopsy samples taken during an endoscopy (the "gold standard" of Celiac diagnosis).   Since you have been experimenting with whole wheat bread in the past year or so, possibly getting cross contaminated in a mixed household, and your immune system is still so sensitized to gluten consumption, you may want to go ahead with the gluten challenge.   It can take two years absolutely gluten free for the immune system to quit reacting to gluten exposure.   Avoiding gluten most if the time, but then experimenting with whole wheat bread is a great way to keep your body in a state of inflammation and illness.  A diagnosis would help you stop playing Russian roulette with your and your children's health.      
    • trents
      Welcome to the celiac.com community, @McKinleyWY! There currently is no testing for celiac disease that does not require you to have been consuming generous amounts of gluten (at least 10g daily, about the amount in 4-6 slices of wheat bread) for at least two weeks and, to be certain of accurate testing, longer than that. This applies to both phases of testing, the blood antibody tests and the endoscopy with biopsy.  There is the option of genetic testing to see if you have one or both of the two genes known to provide the potential to develop celiac disease. It is not really a diagnostic measure, however, as 30-40% of the general population has one or both of these genes whereas only about 1% of the general population actually develops celiac disease. But genetic testing is valuable as a rule out measure. If you don't have either of the genes, it is highly unlikely that you can have celiac disease. Having said all that, even if you don't have celiac disease you can have NCGS (Non Celiac Gluten Sensitivity) which shares many of the same symptoms as celiac disease but does not involve and autoimmune reaction that damages the lining of the small bowel as does celiac disease. Both conditions call for the complete elimination of gluten from the diet. I hope this brings some clarity to your questions.
    • McKinleyWY
      Hello all, I was diagnosed at the age of 2 as being allergic to yeast.  All my life I have avoided bread and most products containing enriched flour as they  contain yeast (when making the man made vitamins to add back in to the flour).  Within the last year or so, we discovered that even whole wheat products bother me but strangely enough I can eat gluten free bread with yeast and have no reactions.  Obviously, we have come to believe the issue is gluten not yeast.  Times continues to reinforce this as we are transitioning to a gluten free home and family.  I become quite ill when I consume even the smallest amount of gluten. How will my not having consumed breads/yeast/gluten for the better part of decades impact a biopsy or blood work?  I would love to know if it is a gluten intolerance or a genetic issue for family members but unsure of the results given my history of limited gluten intake.   I appreciate the input from those who have gone before me in experience and knowledge. Thank you all!
    • trents
      I know what you mean. When I get glutened I have severe gut cramps and throw up for 2-3 hr. and then have diarrhea for another several hours. Avoid eating out if at all possible. It is the number one source of gluten contamination for us celiacs. When you are forced to eat out at a new restaurant that you are not sure is safe, try to order things that you can be sure will not get cross contaminated like a boiled egg, baked potatos, steamed vegies, fresh fruit. Yes, I know that doesn't sound as appetizing as pizza or a burger and fries but your health is at stake. I also realize that as a 14 year old you don't have a lot of control over where you eat out because you are tagging along with others or adults are paying for it. Do you have support from your parents concerning your need to eat gluten free? Do you believe they have a good understanding of the many places gluten can show up in the food supply?
    • Peace lily
      Okay went online to check green mountain k cups .It was said that the regular coffees are fine but they couldn’t guarantee cross contamination.with the flavors. im trying to figure out since I eliminated the suyrup so far so good. I’m hoping. thanks it feels good to listen to other people there views.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.