Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Is My Job Killing Me?


alephknot

Recommended Posts

alephknot Rookie

hello,

i was wondering about airborne gluten, and what the circumstances would need to be in order to be effected by it? i work in a coffee shop where we (or they) bake all the goods.... i dont personally do any of the baking, but am around it a lot. i started a gluten free diet about 10 months ago, initially felt amazing for about two months, then started working at this coffee shop, and things slowly started going downhill. im not sure if this is a coincidence. i do have other health problems, but basically, i feel sick all the time, nobody can figure out whats wrong, and its getting terribly hopeless and frustrating. i feel like i have been overly cautious to the point where i am embarrassed about it, and now im not sure what to think... am i being a hypochondriac and overly sensitive or am i not be cautious enough??

thanks in advance for any replies.

kelly


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Gentleheart Enthusiast

Here is how it was explained to me by very knowledgeable people.

When a person bakes with flour, there is a lot of "poofing" of flour into the air. It's inevitable and nearly impossible to avoid. And because most flour is so fine and lightweight, it can supposedly stay airborne for quite some time. During a normal baking event and depending upon how careful or careless the person baking happens to be, a lot of flour dust particles can end up in the air and not even be particularly noticeable, unless the sun or light happens to shine through it.

If you walk through those dust particles while breathing, some of if gets into your nasal passages where it is automatically caught by the mucous in there. Then by the natural progression of things, you will eventually swallow it. Technically, you just ate gluten. Now grant you, it's a very small amount. And maybe once wouldn't be enough to trigger anything. It depends upon how sensitive you are. But obviously, if you work in it all day long, it's just logical that it would eventually gluten you, in my opinion.

But let's say you honestly don't breathe any of it in. Let's say you wear a little white mask all day long. That's not very practical, but let's say you do it. All that flour dust that was once floating in the air, eventually ends up falling and landing on every possible surface in the place. If you happen to swipe your hand across a surface with wheat dust on it and then absentmindedly put your fingers back into your mouth, you've just been glutened again.

I don't personally think there's any way for a genuinely gluten intolerant individual to survive working in a bakery or anywhere else where gluten products are regularly being manufactured from scratch, unless they are masked at all times and super careful to never put their fingers into their mouths. Just seems like a bad idea to me.

The same principle applies in your own home. That's probably why so many people on here have eventually concluded that it's very difficult to get well in a house that still contains and bakes with gluten.

I think you can probably survive working around gluten products that are already made and don't produce a dusty residue. Then it just becomes a crumb problem that you can more easily see and avoid. But trying to steer clear of nearly invisible flour dust particles in the air is just too hard.

Sorry. That's maybe not what you wanted to hear. :)

RiceGuy Collaborator

I agree with what Gentleheart said. Furthermore, just handling gluten, or minute amounts of flour dust, is still a hazard even if you didn't breath or eat all day. The average person will touch their face, to scratch an itch, rub an eye, etc. Besides the mouth, there are several orifices into which particles can enter the body, including the ears, tear ducts, and nose. It doesn't have to get into your stomach to cause a reaction either. Any contact with the inside of your body is bound to illicit an immune response. And once the antibodies are in the blood, they'll get into the intestine just like they'll get everywhere else in the circulatory system.

ranger Enthusiast

Your job may be making you sick. Did you ever here of baker's lung? It's a lung desease that bakers get from breathing in flour dust. If it's in the air, it's probably getting into your system. I allow no baking in my house (except gluten-free) and for my dh, who is not celiac, I only allow prebaked, wrapped baked goods to come in. Not even a bag of cookies! The dust from home baking stays around for 48 hours and gets everywhere. I have cooked in restaurants, but could not work in that environment now. I hope that you can find a different job. Good luck and happy St Pats day.

  • 2 weeks later...
Pegleg84 Collaborator

Heh. This is interesting. I've been working as a waitress in a pizza restaurant for the past 8 months. There's always flour somewhere, and it is likely all through the air as well. I just started going gluten free a couple weeks ago (and feeling better), and have joked that eating way too much pizza made the celiac kick in. Maybe I wasn't completely wrong about that? Thankfully, I won't be working there much longer so hopefully it won't make me (more) sick, but coupld it be possible that (this is total speculation) overexposure to gluten, either eaten or in the environment, could trigger celiac symptoms, or make them worse?

just an idea.

I hope you can figure out a way from getting sick at work, or find something else. Who knew that flour could be a job hazard.

violet2004 Newbie

I'll print this out for my family. :)

I don't know why, but it's so hard to explain cross-contamination to them, and I am becoming more and more sensitive so it's a major concern.

We went on a family trip over the holidays and rented a house, and I felt crummy most days even though I ate "gluten-free." BUT, everyone else was flinging loaves of bread around the kitchen making sandwiches and toast everyday, which I suspect was the culprit.

(And I was careful to wipe down the counters and sink, and re-wash my own dishes and silverware before cooking and eating, too...)

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - lil-oly replied to Jmartes71's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      1

      Gluten tester

    2. - knitty kitty replied to JudyLou's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      11

      Seeking advice on potential gluten challenge

    3. - JudyLou replied to JudyLou's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      11

      Seeking advice on potential gluten challenge

    4. - knitty kitty replied to JudyLou's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      11

      Seeking advice on potential gluten challenge

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,156
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    mike101020
    Newest Member
    mike101020
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Who's Online (See full list)

  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • lil-oly
      Hey there, have you been tested for allergies? You may not only have celiac disease but be allergic. I have celiac disease and am allergic to Barley, wheat and rye. 
    • JudyLou
    • knitty kitty
      I have osteopenia and have cracked three vertebrae.  Niacin is connected to osteoporosis! Do talk to your nutritionist and doctor about supplementing with B vitamins.  Blood tests don't reveal the amount of vitamins stored inside cells.  The blood is a transportation system and can reflect vitamins absorbed from food eaten in the previous twenty-four to forty-eight hours.  Those "normal limits" are based on minimum amounts required to prevent disease, not levels for optimal health.   Keep us posted on your progress.   B Vitamins: Functions and Uses in Medicine https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9662251/ Association of dietary niacin intake with osteoporosis in the postmenopausal women in the US: NHANES 2007–2018 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11835798/ Clinical trial: B vitamins improve health in patients with coeliac disease living on a gluten-free diet https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19154566/   Nutritional Imbalances in Adult Celiac Patients Following a Gluten-Free Diet https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8398893/ Nutritional Consequences of Celiac Disease and Gluten-Free Diet https://www.mdpi.com/2036-7422/15/4/61 Simplifying the B Complex: How Vitamins B6 and B9 Modulate One Carbon Metabolism in Cancer and Beyond https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9609401/
    • JudyLou
      Thank you so much for the clarification! Yes to these questions: Have you consulted dietician?  Have you been checked for nutritional deficiencies?  Osteoporosis? Thyroid? Anemia?  Do you take any supplements, or vitamins? I’m within healthy range for nutritional tests, thyroid and am not anemic. I do have osteopenia. I don’t take any medications, and the dietician was actually a nutritionist (not sure if that is the same thing) recommended by my physician at the time to better understand gluten free eating.    I almost wish the gluten exposure had triggered something, so at least I’d know what’s going on. So confusing!    Many thanks! 
    • knitty kitty
      @JudyLou,  I have dermatitis herpetiformis, too!  And...big drum roll... Niacin improves dermatitis herpetiformis!   Niacin is very important to skin health and intestinal health.   You're correct.  dermatitis herpetiformis usually occurs on extensor muscles, but dermatitis herpetiformis is also pressure sensitive, so blisters can form where clothing puts pressure on the skin. Elastic waist bands, bulky seams on clothing, watch bands, hats.  Rolled up sleeves or my purse hanging on my arm would make me break out on the insides of my elbows.  I have had a blister on my finger where my pen rested as I write.  Foods high in Iodine can cause an outbreak and exacerbate dermatitis herpetiformis. You've been on the gluten free diet for a long time.  Our gluten free diet can be low in vitamins and minerals, especially if processed gluten free foods are consumed.  Those aren't fortified with vitamins like gluten containing products are.  Have you consulted dietician?  Have you been checked for nutritional deficiencies?  Osteoporosis? Thyroid? Anemia?  Do you take any supplements, medicine, or vitamins? Niacin deficiency is connected to anemia.  Anemia can cause false negatives on tTg IgA tests.  A person can be on that borderline where symptoms wax and wane for years, surviving, but not thriving.  We have a higher metabolic need for more nutrients when we're sick or emotionally stressed which can deplete the small amount of vitamins we can store in our bodies and symptoms reappear.   Exposure to gluten (and casein in those sensitive to it) can cause an increased immune response and inflammation for months afterwards. The immune cells that make tTg IgA antibodies which are triggered today are going to live for about two years. During that time, inflammation is heightened.  Those immune cells only replicate when triggered.  If those immune cells don't get triggered again for about two years, they die without leaving any descendents programmed to trigger on gluten and casein.  The immune system forgets gluten and casein need to be attacked.  The Celiac genes turn off.  This is remission.    Some people in remission report being able to consume gluten again without consequence.   However, another triggering event can turn the Celiac genes on again.   Celiac genes are turned on by a triggering event (physical or emotional stress).  There's some evidence that thiamine insufficiency contributes to the turning on of autoimmune genes.  There is an increased biological need for thiamine when we are physically or emotionally stressed.  Thiamine cannot be stored for more than twenty-one days and may be depleted in as little as three during physical and emotional stresses. Mitochondria without sufficient thiamine become damaged and don't function properly.  This gets relayed to the genes and autoimmune disease genes turn on.  Thiamine and other B vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients are needed to replace the dysfunctional mitochondria and repair the damage to the body.   I recommend getting checked for vitamin and mineral deficiencies.  More than just Vitamin D and B12.  A gluten challenge would definitely be a stressor capable of precipitating further vitamin deficiencies and health consequences.   Best wishes!    
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.