Food Intolerance Symptoms The Same As Glutened Symptoms?

[detritus]

Hi, I'm nearing the 3 month gluten-free mark. I've had my share of glutening experiences over the last 3 months, but I could always identify the culprit. Today I ate the exact same breakfast I have every day since going gluten-free; Bob's Red Mill gluten-free hot cereal, except today I made it with So coconut milk instead of the almond milk I normally use. And now I'm having the same symptoms I do as though I were glutened. I live alone, so it's not CC. What I'm wondering, is, when people say,"I can't tolerate X" do they have the same symptoms as if glutened? I've never had problems with coconut before, but I know sensitivities change after going gluten-free. When you fellow celiacs have food intolerances other than gluten, does ingesting them manifest in the same way as gluten?

I appreciate any responses.

[YoloGx]

  On 5/2/2010 at 6:39 PM, detritus said:

Hi, I'm nearing the 3 month gluten-free mark. I've had my share of glutening experiences over the last 3 months, but I could always identify the culprit. Today I ate the exact same breakfast I have every day since going gluten-free; Bob's Red Mill gluten-free hot cereal, except today I made it with So coconut milk instead of the almond milk I normally use. And now I'm having the same symptoms I do as though I were glutened. I live alone, so it's not CC. What I'm wondering, is, when people say,"I can't tolerate X" do they have the same symptoms as if glutened? I've never had problems with coconut before, but I know sensitivities change after going gluten-free. When you fellow celiacs have food intolerances other than gluten, does ingesting them manifest in the same way as gluten?

I appreciate any responses.

It can. I personally developed a semi intolerance to coconut milk. I now can have it once in a while--certainly no more than once a week. Many here cannot tolerate it at all--having to avoid coconut oil and even remove charcoal filtered water that uses coconut as its base. I personally have not had to go to that extreme. Did you get digestive disturbance, some brain fog and D like I have done when I have had too much coconut milk too often??

The main felt difference with these food intolerances is that the effect usually only lasts a day rather than 3 or more as they might with gluten... It is caused I believe greatly in part due to the leaky gut effect from so much time from the gluten effect attack and thus erode the villi. It shows up after the gluten is removed I think because the body is no longer overloaded from having to deal with a much worse situation. It now can be more descriminating so to speak in its quest for balance and health... Eventually as your villi heal and your body rights itself you may become less reactive. I have to many foods I originally couldn't tolerate though I still don't seem to handle most of them every day. Others I still avoid -- like nuts, corn, sugar etc.

Bea

[detritus]

  On 5/2/2010 at 7:21 PM, yolo said:

It can. I personally developed a semi intolerance to coconut milk. I now can have it once in a while--certainly no more than once a week. Many here cannot tolerate it at all--having to avoid coconut oil and even remove charcoal filtered water that uses coconut as its base. I personally have not had to go to that extreme. Did you get digestive disturbance, some brain fog and D like I have done when I have had too much coconut milk too often??

The main felt difference with these food intolerances is that the effect usually only lasts a day rather than 3 or more as they might with gluten... It is caused I believe greatly in part due to the leaky gut effect from so much time from the gluten effect attack and thus erode the villi. It shows up after the gluten is removed I think because the body is no longer overloaded from having to deal with a much worse situation. It now can be more descriminating so to speak in its quest for balance and health... Eventually as your villi heal and your body rights itself you may become less reactive. I have to many foods I originally couldn't tolerate though I still don't seem to handle most of them every day. Others I still avoid -- like nuts, corn, sugar etc.

Bea

Thank you! Yes, those are my symptoms, along with body ache. It's encouraging to know that it probably won't last as long as the usual rough ride!

[mushroom]

  On 5/2/2010 at 6:39 PM, detritus said:

When you fellow celiacs have food intolerances other than gluten, does ingesting them manifest in the same way as gluten?

I appreciate any responses.

No, not at all for me. My intolerance symptoms are totally different (and worse, unfortunately) than my glutening symptoms, which is probably why I did not get a diagnosis all those years. For me a glutening causes bloating, cramping, diarrhea, and then usually it's gone in about four hours. Soy (for a while citrus, but I hope that's gone) and potatoes make me itch and give me hives which last for days. Other miscellaneous stuff causes me to break out in an acne-like rash all over my face. Lectins in general play H. E. double hockey sticks with the electrical system in my heart and I feel like I am having a heart attack and am gonna die for about three hours. I'll take a glutening any day

[YoloGx]

  On 5/2/2010 at 9:02 PM, mushroom said:

No, not at all for me. My intolerance symptoms are totally different (and worse, unfortunately) than my glutening symptoms, which is probably why I did not get a diagnosis all those years. For me a glutening causes bloating, cramping, diarrhea, and then usually it's gone in about four hours. Soy (for a while citrus, but I hope that's gone) and potatoes make me itch and give me hives which last for days. Other miscellaneous stuff causes me to break out in an acne-like rash all over my face. Lectins in general play H. E. double hockey sticks with the electrical system in my heart and I feel like I am having a heart attack and am gonna die for about three hours. I'll take a glutening any day

Hey mushroom--I have found using olive leaf tea along with detox is really helping me and Graeme get rid of the excess fungi. Am going to try a new to me product called Lefenuron or some such thing. Have you heard of it? It is the same stuff they give dogs for heartworm. I saw it recommended by several posters on some anti candida sites as well as a doctor out of the UK (that aren't selling it). It gets rid of the protective chitonous exterior on the candida and thus they die more easily. Initially one has massive die off so that is a bit unpleasant I hear. But otherwise it is harmless to humans. You take it once a month for three months. After that any candida left over adapts and no longer has a chitonous shell--which makes it even easier to kill them off with the usual remedies...

Am pretty sure your fungi are making your allergic responses amped up more...

Bea

[mushroom]

  On 5/2/2010 at 9:30 PM, yolo said:

Hey mushroom--I have found using olive leaf tea along with detox is really helping me and Graeme get rid of the excess fungi. Am going to try a new to me product called Lefenuron or some such thing. Have you heard of it? It is the same stuff they give dogs for heartworm. I saw it recommended by several posters on some anti candida sites as well as a doctor out of the UK (that aren't selling it). It gets rid of the protective chitonous exterior on the candida and thus they die more easily. Initially one has massive die off so that is a bit unpleasant I hear. But otherwise it is harmless to humans. You take it once a month for three months. After that any candida left over adapts and no longer has a chitonous shell--which makes it even easier to kill them off with the usual remedies...

Am pretty sure your fungi are making your allergic responses amped up more...

Bea

I dunno, Bea; I am pretty sure that it's the lectins that are doing me in. I came up negative for all gut overgrowth problems although I suppose there could be something lurking there. The more I read about lectins the more it all fits. Everything I am intolerant of is very high in lectins and if I don't eat lectins I don't get those awful reactions. I made the mistake of believing someone who said green beans were okay, because the seeds were not formed, but it was not so. It's all nightshades, all legumes (including soy and peanuts, and green peas and green beans), gluten (including the grains of oats and corn) and for a while citrus because I was eating way too much of it. After a year's elimination I am tolerating small amounts again. Potatoes are off the chart. Trouble is, there is such a paucity of research on lectins. When I get over there in a few weeks I am going to try some Lectin Lock, which gives lectins the right sugars in the gut to bind to and pass on out of your system, rather than binding to the sugars on your cell walls which is what causes the problems.

If that doesn't work I might follow up on your suggestions.

[Skylark]

I am very concerned to see Lufenuron mentioned, and even more concerned that you would recommend it to another board member. That compound is not adequately tested in humans and is only FDA-approved for veterinary use. Cat and dog metabolism is different than human metabolism and without thorough study, there is no way to be certain humans do not metabolize Lufenuron into something that has long-term deleterious effects. Carcinogenicity in particular works fairly differently between mice, cats, dogs, and humans. Notice that the person pushing this stuff is a nutritionist, not a trained physician. I could see trying it in an extreme situation where you have nothing to lose and a doctor is considering IV Amphotericin B, but there are plenty of other well-tested things to try first like Nystatin.

[AKcollegestudent]

It may not be the coconut milk. Yes, it's possible that the intolerance symptoms are exactly the same. But it's also possible that that batch of Bob's Red Mill is CC'd already. I know I've reacted terribly to most of their products at one point or another; I keep one or two types of Bob's only if it's the only product available.

[frangul]

  On 5/2/2010 at 6:39 PM, detritus said:

Hi, I'm nearing the 3 month gluten-free mark. I've had my share of glutening experiences over the last 3 months, but I could always identify the culprit. Today I ate the exact same breakfast I have every day since going gluten-free; Bob's Red Mill gluten-free hot cereal, except today I made it with So coconut milk instead of the almond milk I normally use. And now I'm having the same symptoms I do as though I were glutened. I live alone, so it's not CC. What I'm wondering, is, when people say,"I can't tolerate X" do they have the same symptoms as if glutened? I've never had problems with coconut before, but I know sensitivities change after going gluten-free. When you fellow celiacs have food intolerances other than gluten, does ingesting them manifest in the same way as gluten?

I appreciate any responses.

To those of you who have intolerances to certain foods/liquids, you would be doing yourself a favor by finding a good acupuncturist who carries Chinese herbs in pill form that would target your particular problem. My lactose intolerance as well as that to a red wine/cheese pizza combo is no longer because of those herbs, taken one time, a bottle of 200 bee-bee pellet looking pills, taken 3 times a day, 8 at a time, till pills are gone. My problem the acupuncturist said was due to excessive yeast. I had gone to multiple allergists/internists with no relief. I find myself going to western doctors to make sure the normal avenues are checked and then when they are of no help for resolution, I go to the acupuncturist. Aside from this category, he helps in things like joint pain and most recently plantar fasciitis (heel pain) that the podiatrist's medications did nothing for, surgery would be an option if further medication did not alleviate the pain, acupuncture in 2 sessions (no herbs) took care of.