Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Do I Have To Pay This Schmuck?


Cypressmyst

Recommended Posts

Cypressmyst Explorer

I just got the bill for the jerk of an Endocrinologist that I went to see at the beginning of the month. He told me I was crazy and it was all in my head even though my thyroid meds had lowered from .150 to .100 in 4 months time. How are lab results in my head.

Jerk wouldn't even listen to the plethora of things that have cleared up and refused to entertain the fact that I had ever had a swollen thyroid because the paperwork didn't get sent to him. He would be happy to revisit with me again when I had the labs sent over. My word wasn't good enough.

In short he was a condicending @$#@%$%^& the likes of which many of you have dealt with for far too long.

My question is, what recourse do I have? He charged me $450 dollars to be a prick and I won't be going back to him. Insurance paid all but $100 but still. I don't think he deserves a dime.

What recourse do I have against this jerk? I already let people know about my experience on ratemymd.com and the like but is there anything else I can do? He isn't listening to his patients...isn't that a dangerous thing for a doctor?

Thanks!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



dilettantesteph Collaborator

I forgot how much I had to pay the doctor who told me that extended breastfeeding would give me cancer, when it actually reduces the chances of getting cancer. You wouldn't pay someone to not fix you car, why do we have to pay doctors when they don't provide service. I don't know the answer.

kareng Grand Master

I just got the bill for the jerk of an Endocrinologist that I went to see at the beginning of the month. He told me I was crazy and it was all in my head even though my thyroid meds had lowered from .150 to .100 in 4 months time. How are lab results in my head.

Jerk wouldn't even listen to the plethora of things that have cleared up and refused to entertain the fact that I had ever had a swollen thyroid because the paperwork didn't get sent to him. He would be happy to revisit with me again when I had the labs sent over. My word wasn't good enough.

In short he was a condicending @$#@%$%^& the likes of which many of you have dealt with for far too long.

My question is, what recourse do I have? He charged me $450 dollars to be a prick and I won't be going back to him. Insurance paid all but $100 but still. I don't think he deserves a dime.

What recourse do I have against this jerk? I already let people know about my experience on ratemymd.com and the like but is there anything else I can do? He isn't listening to his patients...isn't that a dangerous thing for a doctor?

Thanks!

You could see if your insurance company has anyway to file a complaint. They paid most of the bill. Find out what specifically they were billed for and see if you can dispute it.

elk Rookie

I wish there was something we could do about doctors like this! IMHO, most of them aren't very competent. They don't care and they just run you through an assembly line type of process.

I've never heard one good thing about endocrinologists and my one experience proved that to be true -- her explanation for everything was that humans weren't meant to live beyond 40 so of course we feel miserable. Then she proceeded to go on a rant about how stupid everyone is.

ravenwoodglass Mentor

If you want to keep your credit rating good yes you do have to pay him. The advice to contact the insurance company was good and you may also want to forward a letter of complaint to whoever is the head of the practice he is in and perhaps the AMA. Also you should ask for complete copies of any lab work you had done by him and you should get copies of all lab work and other tests from all your other doctors. That way you can bring them with you for appointments.

GlutenFreeManna Rising Star

If you want to keep your credit rating good yes you do have to pay him. The advice to contact the insurance company was good and you may also want to forward a letter of complaint to whoever is the head of the practice he is in and perhaps the AMA. Also you should ask for complete copies of any lab work you had done by him and you should get copies of all lab work and other tests from all your other doctors. That way you can bring them with you for appointments.

Raven has the best advice. Unfortunately you will have to pay and then spread the word to everyone you know NOT to visit this jerk's practice. I tried to fight a charge once for a pregnancy test I didn't authorize. I went in because I had a fever and was throwing up. The PA asked if I could be pregnant and I said that was impossible because I was not sexually active (didn't even have a boyfriend). They did a pregnancy test anyway and my crappy insurance at the time didn't cover the test. So they charged me $40 to find out what I already told them was impossible. I called and called and tried to get them to remove the charge because I didn't authorize the test. I was SO angry I didn't pay the bill until it went to collections. It didn't hurt my credit, but it could have had I not paid it. It's things like this, however, that make me glad we have a choice in who we see for doctors. I chose to never go back to that practice. I did find other doctors that were more willing to listen. Don't give up searching for a doctor that cares and is knowledgeable. There are a few out there.

mushroom Proficient

I don't know what type of insurance you have. But I had a similar experience with a condescending jerk in my HMO at the time, who was so totally rude and disrepectful of me as a patient. I went home and wrote it all down, but didn't send it until I had calmed down a llittle and sounded more reasonable. Then I sent a letter of complaint to the Physicians Group he belonged to and the HMO they were contracted to, and brought a world of *$@# down on him, as I found out from one of my other doctors who was contacted by the HMO about me :D . I am afraid revenge is the only reward available here, but it can be sweet B) Let them know they can't get away scott free with this kind of behavior. Send the letter to whoever is appropriate in your insurance hierarchy.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



ravenwoodglass Mentor

I don't know what type of insurance you have. But I had a similar experience with a condescending jerk in my HMO at the time, who was so totally rude and disrepectful of me as a patient. I went home and wrote it all down, but didn't send it until I had calmed down a llittle and sounded more reasonable. Then I sent a letter of complaint to the Physicians Group he belonged to and the HMO they were contracted to, and brought a world of *$@# down on him, as I found out from one of my other doctors who was contacted by the HMO about me :D . I am afraid revenge is the only reward available here, but it can be sweet B) Let them know they can't get away scott free with this kind of behavior. Send the letter to whoever is appropriate in your insurance hierarchy.

Good for you!!!!! If more of us stand up for ourselves against these insulting and unknowledgeable doctors perhaps some of them might learn to treat us as human beings and with a bit more kindness and respect.

Hos Newbie

Jerk wouldn't even listen to the plethora of things that have cleared up and refused to entertain the fact that I had ever had a swollen thyroid because the paperwork didn't get sent to him. He would be happy to revisit with me again when I had the labs sent over. My word wasn't good enough.

Needless to say, no doctor should put a person down and say it's all in their head. Although, I work at a hospital and doctors have to have proof before they change medications or do other health-altering things. Their license is on the line and if someone is mistaken or worse, it's their career and their lawsuit.

I'm new so maybe I didn't get the whole story and this doctor has a long history with you, otherwise, IMHO they have to have proof but they need to do it without insulting you!

Every state has a State Board association and written letters are always taken seriously per federal guidelines. I hope you can get some relief soon with a new doctor that cares for their patients.

Cypressmyst Explorer

I'm new so maybe I didn't get the whole story and this doctor has a long history with you, otherwise, IMHO they have to have proof but they need to do it without insulting you!

The swollen thyroid was just an observation I was giving him, all I wanted out of the visit was to get on a healthy eating plan that would get me off my thyroid meds one day. But he said it was impossible and I would always need meds.

I had no respect for anything that came out of his mouth the second he refused to listen to what was actually going on with me and dismissed me as crazy. He also thought that I had to have D and be rail thin to have a gluten issue.

This is the "expertise" I paid $450 dollars for. :blink:

I will write to anyone who will listen. Thank you for the suggestions everyone and for the understanding words. I knew what to expect going in and so his idiocy wasn't as bad as it could have been. And that is largely thanks to this forum and the web in general.

I hope I do get off my meds one day. He'll be getting a letter from me.

I'm seeing some doctors out in California now, I live in Wisconsin but am tired of paying idiots to call me crazy or tell me I'm fine and send me on my way. I want answers and I want to be made whole again.

Again, I'll keep you all updated on what I learn. *crosses fingers*

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to hjayne19's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      13

      Insomnia help

    2. - trents replied to hjayne19's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      13

      Insomnia help

    3. - hjayne19 replied to hjayne19's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      13

      Insomnia help

    4. - xxnonamexx replied to xxnonamexx's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      43

      My journey is it gluten or fiber?

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,100
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    BothySmithy
    Newest Member
    BothySmithy
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      Hello, @hjayne19, About half of the people with Celiac disease react to the protein Casein in dairy the same as to gluten with the inflammation and antibodies and all.  Reacting to Casein is not the same as lactose intolerance nor a dairy allergy.  Damaged villi are incapable of producing lactAse, the enzyme that digests lactOse, the sugar in dairy.  When the villi grow back, the villi can resume making lactase again.  I react to casein. Keep in mind that part of the autoimmune response to gluten and casein is the release of histamine.  Histamine causes inflammation, but it is also powerful excitory neurotransmitter, causing heightened mental alertness.  Histamine release is what causes us to wake up in the morning.  Unfortunately, excessive histamine can cause insomnia.  Our bodies can make histamine, but foods we eat contain different amounts of histamine, too.  Our bodies can clear a certain amount of histamine, but if overwhelmed, chronic high histamine levels can keep inflammation going and cause other health problems.   I got very weary of playing Sherlock Holmes trying to deduce what I was reacting to this week, so I adopted the low histamine version of the Autoimmune Protocol diet, a Paleo diet designed by a doctor with Celiac, Dr. Sarah Ballantyne.  Her book, The Paleo Approach, has been most helpful.   The low histamine AIP diet cuts out lots of foods that are known to be irritating to the digestive tract.  After a few weeks, when my system was calmer and healing, I could try adding other foods to my diet.  It was much easier starting with safe foods, adding one thing at a time, and checking for reactions than trying to figure out what I was reacting to with so many variables.  I learned to recognize when I had consumed too much histamine from different combinations of foods.  Everyone is different and can tolerate different amounts of histamine in their food.  B Vitamins help us make enzymes that break down histamine.  Vitamin D helps regulate and calm the immune system.  Supplementing with Thiamine helps prevent mast cells from releasing histamine.  Keeping a food-mood-poo'd journal helps identify problematic foods.   I hope you will consider trying the AIP diet.
    • trents
      You may be cross reacting to the protein "casein" in dairy, which is structurally similar to gluten. People assume lactose intolerance is the only problem with dairy. It is not, at least for the celiac community.
    • hjayne19
      Hi @knitty kitty  Just revisiting this to get some help. I found after understanding the extent of my anxiety, my sleep got a little better. Flash forward to a few weeks later I have had a few bad sleeps in a row and I feel desperate for a good nights sleep. I understand worrying about it won’t help but one thing I had tied things too was dairy. Initially when I went gluten free I felt great for the first few weeks then started having some stomach pain. So thought maybe I was lactose intolerant. I started eating lactose free Greek yogurt and that did help take the cramping away I guess. Over the last few months I haven’t eaten it every single day and I went a few weeks without it. The last few nights I did have a small amount with breakfast and noticed that was the only new thing I’ve really added to my diet. I had seen a few other posts about this. Is it possible to still react to lactose free? Would this potentially be a dairy allergy? Or something else. 
    • xxnonamexx
      I have taken the vitamins for a week. Haven't noticed any major changes but I will give it more time to see.
    • knitty kitty
      @Charlie1946,  Sorry I sidetracked your thread a bit.  Apologies. Proton pump inhibitors, like Omeprazole, change the pH in our gastrointestinal systems which allows opportunistic microbes to move in and take over.  Have you been checked for SIBO?  There's a significant link between length of Omeprazole use and SIBO.  I had SIBO, thrush (Candida) and lichen planus and other problems while I was on Omeprazole.  I had to stop taking it.  It was a horrible time, so I understand how painful and frustrating it is.   You change your microbiome (the bacteria and microbes living inside you) by changing what you eat.  They eat what you eat.  Change the menu and you get different customers.   I changed my diet.  I cut out dairy because I was reacting to the casein and lactose.  I cut out all processed foods and most carbohydrates. I ate meat and veggies mostly, some fruit like apples and mandarin oranges.  By cutting out all the excess carbohydrates, lactose, and empty carbs in processed gluten-free foods, the opportunistic microbes get starved out.  SIBO bacteria send chemical messages to our brains demanding more carbs, so be prepared for carb cravings, but don't let the microbiome control you!   The skin and digestive system is continuous.  The health of our outside skin reflects the health of our gastrointestinal system.  Essential B vitamins, like Thiamine B 1 and especially Niacin B 3, are needed to repair intestinal damage and keep bad bacteria in check.  Niacin helps improve not only the intestinal tract, but also the skin.  Sebaceous Hyperplasia is linked to being low in Niacin B 3.  Lichen Planus is treated with Niacinamide, a form of Niacin B 3.   Vitamins are chemical compounds that our bodies cannot make.  We must get them from our food.  If our food isn't digested well (low stomach acid from Omeprazole causes poor digestion), then vitamins aren't released well.  Plus there's a layer of SIBO bacteria absorbing our vitamins first between the food we've eaten and our inflamed and damaged villi that may have difficulty absorbing the vitamins.  So, taking vitamin supplements is a way to boost absorption of essential nutrients that will allow the body to fight off the microbes, repair and heal.   Doctors are taught in medical learning institutions funded by pharmaceutical companies.  The importance of nutrition is downplayed and called old fashioned.  Doctors are taught we have plenty to eat, so no one gets nutritional deficiency diseases anymore.  But we do, as people with Celiac disease, with impaired absorption.  Nutritional needs need to be addressed first with us.  Vitamins cannot be patented because they are natural substances.  But pharmaceutical drugs can be.  There's more money to be made selling pharmaceutical drugs than vitamins.   Makes me wonder how much illness could be prevented if people were screened for Celiac disease much earlier in life, instead of after they've been ill and medicated for years.   Talk to your doctor and dietician about supplementing essential vitamins and minerals.   Interesting Reading: The Duration of Proton Pump Inhibitor Therapy and the Risk of Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12250812/#:~:text=The long-term use of,overgrowth dynamics is less clear. Lichenoid drug eruption with proton pump inhibitors https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC27275/ Nicotinamide: A Multifaceted Molecule in Skin Health and Beyond https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11857428/
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.