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healinginprogress Enthusiast

I guess I'm more easily fatigued because I'm healing?? And/or lack of sleep intensifies the symptoms?

I'm working two jobs...yesterday I slept in a bit because I felt ill from the day before, but then worked on my feet from 430pm to 230am, got home at 3am, tried to sleep, and then had to be at my other job at 9am. Only for an hour, but seriously, I feel AWFUL! I almost feel like I have a terrible hangover, but I didn't TOUCH a drink (well, I mean, I served them, but no drinking).

I've been resting since I got home because I have to go back to the second job at 5pm til 730pm and then back to waitressing, from 9pm til...possibly 2am, if it's busy (and it IS St.Pattis!).

I've taken advil, benadryl, vitamins, drinking lots of water, etc.

I don't often get a lot of sleep, but the effects aren't usually like THIS! It's terrible, and I don't know how I'm gonna make it all night :( I just want to feel better!!!!


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It could be the healing, yeah, although many people also experience more intense gluten symptoms to gluten after they start dropping it.

Did you check to make sure your advil, benadryl, and vitamins are gluten free? I know some advil and benadryl is, but I wasn't sure if it all was.

Also...there's a couple nasty viruses going around right now that seem to make people feel like they've been knocked on their butt. My daughter got one and the first day, she slept all the way through the day 'til 7pm. Just nausea and fatigue for her, essentially, which is kind of like getting glutened, really, yeah? ;)

cap6 Enthusiast

You are probably extra tired because 1) you are healing and 2) require more sleep when you are healing.

jerseyangel Proficient

I felt like that a few weeks ago when I had the flu--could you be sick?

IrishHeart Veteran

Honey,

1) you are healing and having withdrawal,too

2) you are working really hard

3) you've been having sleep issues --are you taking sleep meds too?

4) benedryl makes me loopy and wired (most people get sleepy)and I cannot take it--how does it affect you?

5) Advil (ALL NSAIDS) is a major gut-irritant!!! the WORST thing you can take when healing a leaky gut (sorry but it's true)

6) do you have the flu???

I know you have to work, yet I think you are stressed physically and mentally, dealing with this new diet and the limitations you have (as I know you are doing an elimination diet).

These may all be affecting your energy.

You gotta give yourself a break, kiddo. Can you sleep in this weekend?? You need a hot bath and some down time.

Take care!!!!

healinginprogress Enthusiast

Okay, I'm just on my way out the door, but wanted to thank everyone for the replies so far...I think part of me just needed to hear that I'm healing and need more rest! I really hope I'm not getting sick :blink:

I didn't know Advil (ibuprofen) was bad for the gut...it's usually what I take for headaches and body aches. The only other thing I have right now is pure codeine (no caffeine in it)? Not sure if that would be any better?

I've been trying NOT to take the sleep meds, I don't take them every night, and especially if it's 3am unless I don't have to get up for a while...I did not take one last night. And I felt awful BEFORE I took the benadryl.

Yes, I am definitely stressed...I feel like it shouldn't be so hard, but it's definitely wearing on my psyche...worrying about every morsel of food I put in my mouth, and such. I've already missed some work because of illness, so I'm broke and can't really take any more time off at risk of getting fired :P I was stoked to get a second job, just really bad timing!

I will get home around 3ish again tonight/tomorrow morning, but don't have to work again til 5pm or something tomorrow night, and it's a shorter shift....so I will do my best to sleep in tomorrow!

Thanks for the support. I know other people are going through the same things, I'm not THAT special, but sometimes it just feels like "this can't be right, what's wrong with me?". I just have to accept and believe that I AM celiac, that there's probably nothing else going on inside me (sometimes I worry it's something else), that I just need to heal and it will get better.

Wish me luck tonight, and happy st.patrick's day (minus the green beer ;))

Brigit Apprentice

So sorry to hear about how you are feeling at the moment. I'm pretty much feeling the same, but not having to work as hard as you, so my heart is breaking for you!

Trusting that in a few weeks or months we'll both be running around with extra energy and no aches and pains!

Prioritize rest for now. Even if it means letting the house get dirty or seeing friends a little bit less. It's only for a short season.

Take care!


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I did the same thing...is it this food? that food? geesh, everything that went in my mouth made me worry.

STRESS, medicines, NSAIDS (non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like advil, ibuprofen)liquor, caffeine...these are MAJOR gut irritants. I know many people have to take meds because of other things going on in their bodies(I WISH I could take them because I have severe chronic pain--but I just cannot.) Most pain and sleep meds cause constipation. The last thing I need (or any of us) is THAT! straining the bowel--causes muscle pain in the pelvis.

Worrying about what other foods are causing problems makes us nuts...the best advice I got was.....stick to the gluten-free diet. Pure, whole foods are best.It takes time to heal. MOST other intolerances go away. The problems are a result of the gut, not necessarily something new.

Try to relax and rest (I know, easy to say, right?...I am not able to do it myself all the time)But I know that CONSTANT worry and pushing myself for 4 years made me considerably worse and now I have chronic pain you would not believe. I do not wish that for you. Pelvic floor pain is a nightmare. Jaw pain, neck pain, my back. My arms...just horrid. What caused it? Illness and MEGA stress and insomnia because I did not know what was going on.

I am trying to gently tell you that you are doing all the RIGHT things-- :) your diet is perfect from what you have told me!--and it will balance out in the coming months. Rest up.

healinginprogress Enthusiast

Brigit, you are so sweet, I feel for you, too...going through this together! Yes, unfortunately it usually is cleaning the house that gets put on the bottom of the list, but there are MUCH more important things than that, as much as I like a clean house. And as for friends...I feel INCREDIBLY anti-social during all of this, do you? I don't feel like I have much to offer, I guess. I prioritized to have coffee (well, "water" LOL) with a friend/ex because he's moving away, and gluten/celiac is really all I could talk about. My head is so foggy and it really is my life right now, so I didn't really have much else to share. He didn't mind, but I felt silly.

Tomorrow is my birthday, and I don't even care. It is the first year I have nothing planned and don't want to do anything or see anyone, really. Not because I'm having a "pity party", I just don't feel like much fun right now, ya know?

IrishHeart, thank you, as well. It really IS hard to not worry, but I will try to relax....

I finally slept last night for a good solid time, although I did take a sleeping pill to sort of "guarantee" it, but I really needed the rest.

We have some of the similar pain areas, although I realize your pain is much more intense and extreme! When I was younger I was told I have TMJ (termandibular joint disorder), my jaw and the muscles surrounding hurt quite a bit...worse when I'm tense/stressed, as I know I tend to clench (have found myself doing that more lately during the day, usually it's more when I'm sleeping). I've even had a massage therapist massage inside my mouth (with gloves on) to get to the muscles...so weird! And my trapezius muscles (neck/shoulder area) are SO tense and hard right now it's ridiculous. When you mentioned pelvic floor pain, I was curious, but that's not the pain I'm having...it's my iliacus and psoas muscles, as well as my lower back, which is likely from standing so much and abdominal pain/inflammation. They're usually held up when you're standing, but when they're sore I just want to let them go and let my stomach hang out and hunch over because they're so tired and sore. I think you gave me some great advice, and I will try to keep it in mind, I definitely don't want this pain to continue or escalate :(

BREATHE....RELAX.....REST................

;)

IrishHeart Veteran

Brigit, you are so sweet, I feel for you, too...going through this together! Yes, unfortunately it usually is cleaning the house that gets put on the bottom of the list, but there are MUCH more important things than that, as much as I like a clean house. And as for friends...I feel INCREDIBLY anti-social during all of this, do you? I don't feel like I have much to offer, I guess. I prioritized to have coffee (well, "water" LOL) with a friend/ex because he's moving away, and gluten/celiac is really all I could talk about. My head is so foggy and it really is my life right now, so I didn't really have much else to share. He didn't mind, but I felt silly.

Tomorrow is my birthday, and I don't even care. It is the first year I have nothing planned and don't want to do anything or see anyone, really. Not because I'm having a "pity party", I just don't feel like much fun right now, ya know?

IrishHeart, thank you, as well. It really IS hard to not worry, but I will try to relax....

I finally slept last night for a good solid time, although I did take a sleeping pill to sort of "guarantee" it, but I really needed the rest.

We have some of the similar pain areas, although I realize your pain is much more intense and extreme! When I was younger I was told I have TMJ (termandibular joint disorder), my jaw and the muscles surrounding hurt quite a bit...worse when I'm tense/stressed, as I know I tend to clench (have found myself doing that more lately during the day, usually it's more when I'm sleeping). I've even had a massage therapist massage inside my mouth (with gloves on) to get to the muscles...so weird! And my trapezius muscles (neck/shoulder area) are SO tense and hard right now it's ridiculous. When you mentioned pelvic floor pain, I was curious, but that's not the pain I'm having...it's my iliacus and psoas muscles, as well as my lower back, which is likely from standing so much and abdominal pain/inflammation. They're usually held up when you're standing, but when they're sore I just want to let them go and let my stomach hang out and hunch over because they're so tired and sore. I think you gave me some great advice, and I will try to keep it in mind, I definitely don't want this pain to continue or escalate :(

BREATHE....RELAX.....REST................

;)

Well, hon...you are mirroring my symptoms...the jaw, traps, neck and lower back and the illopsoas (that IS in the pelvic floor muscle area by the way--and controls all the others in a sense plus refers pain to the lower back) Yeah, I've done a ton of research and seen dozens of massage therapists and PTs and chiros for this pain....only MINE is so bad that I cannot SIT without agony. The levator ani is so tense as well---try having that one massaged with a gloved hand---not fun. I see a special PT for that!

I've had the inside of my mouth done too---and the inside of other places. Trigger points crop up everywhere.

I am so bad because I have had the abdominal swelling from gluten for so long and I hope it will subside as the gluten leaves and the gut heals.

You have been stressing all your life if you had TMJ as a kid! Honey, you gotta find a way to relax and unwind somehow.

I imagine being on your feet for your work (as I was all those years as a teacher) makes this worse. That is why you have edema in your legs, too. Soak those legs in epsom salts!!

KEEP getting massages, no matter what---you have to keep those muscles loose. Try some slow, deep abdominal breathing...deep and slow, for five minutes throughout the day . Trust me, this thing evolves into crippling freakin pain you cannot imagine and my hamstrings are so tight you could bounce a dime off the backs of my legs....you don't need this!!

My butt feels like a giant bruise. I lost 90 lbs, to this disease and have no muscle mass....so it has no padding!! I used to be a big girl!

I have no doubt in my mind it is connected to gluten and STRESS and bad posture, plus, in my case, a hysterectomy at a young age.

If you feel your abdominal muscles are tightening, just deep breathe into that area and let it all hang loose.

As for not wanting to socialize, I soooo get that! I was the biggest social butterfly, throwing dinner parties, etc. and now, I could not possibly care less. I am too tired, sore and out of it....BUT it is getting better!

You are amazing that you are working and functioning.

My brain fog was so bad, I couldn't drive anymore.

Now, it is clearing and I don't feel like the wired-for-sound nutjob I was for 3 years...I have HOPE!!

You hang in there and talk to me whenever you want. :)

You gotta VENT and let it out.

cahill Collaborator

Brigit, you are so sweet, I feel for you, too...going through this together! Yes, unfortunately it usually is cleaning the house that gets put on the bottom of the list, but there are MUCH more important things than that, as much as I like a clean house. And as for friends...I feel INCREDIBLY anti-social during all of this, do you? I don't feel like I have much to offer, I guess. I prioritized to have coffee (well, "water" LOL) with a friend/ex because he's moving away, and gluten/celiac is really all I could talk about. My head is so foggy and it really is my life right now, so I didn't really have much else to share. He didn't mind, but I felt silly.

Tomorrow is my birthday, and I don't even care. It is the first year I have nothing planned and don't want to do anything or see anyone, really. Not because I'm having a "pity party", I just don't feel like much fun right now, ya know?

IrishHeart, thank you, as well. It really IS hard to not worry, but I will try to relax....

I finally slept last night for a good solid time, although I did take a sleeping pill to sort of "guarantee" it, but I really needed the rest.

We have some of the similar pain areas, although I realize your pain is much more intense and extreme! When I was younger I was told I have TMJ (termandibular joint disorder), my jaw and the muscles surrounding hurt quite a bit...worse when I'm tense/stressed, as I know I tend to clench (have found myself doing that more lately during the day, usually it's more when I'm sleeping). I've even had a massage therapist massage inside my mouth (with gloves on) to get to the muscles...so weird! And my trapezius muscles (neck/shoulder area) are SO tense and hard right now it's ridiculous. When you mentioned pelvic floor pain, I was curious, but that's not the pain I'm having...it's my iliacus and psoas muscles, as well as my lower back, which is likely from standing so much and abdominal pain/inflammation. They're usually held up when you're standing, but when they're sore I just want to let them go and let my stomach hang out and hunch over because they're so tired and sore. I think you gave me some great advice, and I will try to keep it in mind, I definitely don't want this pain to continue or escalate :(

BREATHE....RELAX.....REST................

;)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY,,I hope you slept well :) ,,, hang in there it DOES get better ((HUGS))

healinginprogress Enthusiast

Yes, I suppose I HAVE been stressing my whole life, my childhood wasn't the greatest, filled with loss and fear and pressure. Things weren't talked about back then, wasn't supposed to cry, etc. But I won't get into THAT whole thing :P They also thought I had hypoglycemia when I was younger and I wasn't allowed to eat refined sugar for years, but am okay eating it now, for the most part, but still try to make sure I eat every couple of hours...I just was thinking about that diagnosis and wondering if it was in any way related to this?

I have been through a lot of therapy and am better at coping than I used to be, but it is definitely still a struggle...anxiety, depression, insomnia.

I will make an appointment with my massage therapist...I'm a bit broke, but it's been too long, and while I'm not in AGONY while sitting, it is hurting even when I'm sitting now.

I've always been pretty thin, so I can't afford to lose much weight, but I have. I'm nearly 5'11" and yesterday morning I weighed in at 127lbs. That's how much I weighed when I graduated high school, I think, which was ten years ago. I don't know how old everyone here is, I just turned 29 and do feel blessed that I have a diagnosis (well, positive blood test) now, as I know it didn't happen for many people until much much later. In fact, I'm pretty sure my 61yr old mom has it and has not been misdiagnosed for eons...I told her to request a blood test.

Anyways, what I was getting at, is I'm tiny right now. The last time I ended up in the hospital (right after christmas), I lost so much weight so fast that I could barely sit up. I ended up with bruises on the backs of my legs from the TOILET and on my hips from lying on my side....in fact, it always feels like my hip (where the femur fits into the socket) is bruised, as well as my legs feel bruised to the touch, mostly down the sides. I don't know if anyone experiences clumsiness as a symptom, or maybe it's a product of the brain fog, but I keep banging into things, too, which is leaving me black and blue.

But yes, while things kinda suck right now, I have noticed some positive changes...in particular, I'm not throwing up a third of my meals anymore! I think I've puked maybe three times since going gluten-free.

To be honest, I think I've lost any point I was trying to make LOL I think I just wanted to share some more of my story, so thanks for allowing me to do so.

IrishHeart Veteran

Yes, I suppose I HAVE been stressing my whole life, my childhood wasn't the greatest, filled with loss and fear and pressure. Things weren't talked about back then, wasn't supposed to cry, etc. But I won't get into THAT whole thing :P They also thought I had hypoglycemia when I was younger and I wasn't allowed to eat refined sugar for years, but am okay eating it now, for the most part, but still try to make sure I eat every couple of hours...I just was thinking about that diagnosis and wondering if it was in any way related to this?

I have been through a lot of therapy and am better at coping than I used to be, but it is definitely still a struggle...anxiety, depression, insomnia.

I will make an appointment with my massage therapist...I'm a bit broke, but it's been too long, and while I'm not in AGONY while sitting, it is hurting even when I'm sitting now.

I've always been pretty thin, so I can't afford to lose much weight, but I have. I'm nearly 5'11" and yesterday morning I weighed in at 127lbs. That's how much I weighed when I graduated high school, I think, which was ten years ago. I don't know how old everyone here is, I just turned 29 and do feel blessed that I have a diagnosis (well, positive blood test) now, as I know it didn't happen for many people until much much later. In fact, I'm pretty sure my 61yr old mom has it and has not been misdiagnosed for eons...I told her to request a blood test.

Anyways, what I was getting at, is I'm tiny right now. The last time I ended up in the hospital (right after christmas), I lost so much weight so fast that I could barely sit up. I ended up with bruises on the backs of my legs from the TOILET and on my hips from lying on my side....in fact, it always feels like my hip (where the femur fits into the socket) is bruised, as well as my legs feel bruised to the touch, mostly down the sides. I don't know if anyone experiences clumsiness as a symptom, or maybe it's a product of the brain fog, but I keep banging into things, too, which is leaving me black and blue.

But yes, while things kinda suck right now, I have noticed some positive changes...in particular, I'm not throwing up a third of my meals anymore! I think I've puked maybe three times since going gluten-free.

To be honest, I think I've lost any point I was trying to make LOL I think I just wanted to share some more of my story, so thanks for allowing me to do so.

ALL of your symptoms can be connected to the celiac!! The fatigue, insomnia, depression and anxiety. All the therapy in the world won't be the entire answer to resolve those, (I know, I have been there/done that, too!)but healing your gut will!! :) I am going to send you some info in a private message because it may help you see that what you have suffered from all your life is from this--and now, you will get it under control and stop feeling this way.

YES! Feeling bruised down the sides of my legs! YES! clumsiness YES! bruises from the slightest "ding"...YES! being thin and feeling so weak I could not walk or sit up--although you are very tall ;) -- as many people on here report 5'4" and under... I was FAT for 12 years and then, I lost drastic weight in a short time. That's when I lost the muscle mass and tone as well.

Maybe some things that have seemed "mysterious" to you will make sense now. And YES! erratic blood sugars are part of it too...hopefully, that will balance out. Untreated diabetes is often related to celiac, and vice versa, but I bet you will see yourself feeling better and better and having less ups and downs in the coming months. My heart races and I feel a dip now and then, but my blood glucose levels are okay. Another thing that needs monitoring is your thyroid. Press your doctor to keep on top of the blood work.

So glad you are not throwing up or living in the bathroom---me, too and doesn't that make you feel better to know HEALING is indeed IN PROGRESS!!?? :D

I'm glad you were diagnosed young. I lost a lot of time because of this and had miscarriages and a bunch of other horrible health issues that I wouldn't want for you.

There really needs to be celiac screening in this country for toddlers (like in Italy) so people can live long, healthy lives.

Hang in there, kiddo...you're doing a good job!

And, since celiac is inherited, your Mom should be checked as well. Absolutely!!

Brigit Apprentice

ALL of your symptoms can be connected to the celiac!! The fatigue, insomnia, depression and anxiety. All the therapy in the world won't be the entire answer to resolve those, (I know, I have been there/done that, too!)but healing your gut will!! :) I am going to send you some info in a private message because it may help you see that what you have suffered from all your life is from this--and now, you will get it under control and stop feeling this way.

YES! Feeling bruised down the sides of my legs! YES! clumsiness YES! bruises from the slightest "ding"...YES! being thin and feeling so weak I could not walk or sit up--although you are very tall ;) -- as many people on here report 5'4" and under... I was FAT for 12 years and then, I lost drastic weight in a short time. That's when I lost the muscle mass and tone as well.

Maybe some things that have seemed "mysterious" to you will make sense now. And YES! erratic blood sugars are part of it too...hopefully, that will balance out. Untreated diabetes is often related to celiac, and vice versa, but I bet you will see yourself feeling better and better and having less ups and downs in the coming months. My heart races and I feel a dip now and then, but my blood glucose levels are okay. Another thing that needs monitoring is your thyroid. Press your doctor to keep on top of the blood work.

So glad you are not throwing up or living in the bathroom---me, too and doesn't that make you feel better to know HEALING is indeed IN PROGRESS!!?? :D

I'm glad you were diagnosed young. I lost a lot of time because of this and had miscarriages and a bunch of other horrible health issues that I wouldn't want for you.

There really needs to be celiac screening in this country for toddlers (like in Italy) so people can live long, healthy lives.

Hang in there, kiddo...you're doing a good job!

And, since celiac is inherited, your Mom should be checked as well. Absolutely!!

Well written - you're a gem!!

healinginprogress Enthusiast

You truly ARE a gem, IrishHeart!

Yes, my height is definitely inconsistent with celiac.

I can't write too much back now, because...SURPRISE...I have to be back at work in an hour :( It was only 5hrs on my feet yesterday and I was dying, today is 8hrs.....

I guess it's just hard for me to believe I have celiac and/or that celiac can cause ALL these symptoms I have, because it really sounds too good to be true, ya know?? I also have livedo reticularis (just didn't know it had a name until a few days ago, but I've had it forever and HATE it, always purple), frequent urination, eczema every now and then, and I would get peely red patches around my mouth that my doctor thought was eczema but could never find a treatment that would really make it go away....there's just so many things, it sounds like a "hoax" that they could all go away just by not eating gluten LOL But I can't WAIT!!!!

IrishHeart Veteran

You truly ARE a gem, IrishHeart!

Yes, my height is definitely inconsistent with celiac.

I can't write too much back now, because...SURPRISE...I have to be back at work in an hour :( It was only 5hrs on my feet yesterday and I was dying, today is 8hrs.....

I guess it's just hard for me to believe I have celiac and/or that celiac can cause ALL these symptoms I have, because it really sounds too good to be true, ya know?? I also have livedo reticularis (just didn't know it had a name until a few days ago, but I've had it forever and HATE it, always purple), frequent urination, eczema every now and then, and I would get peely red patches around my mouth that my doctor thought was eczema but could never find a treatment that would really make it go away....there's just so many things, it sounds like a "hoax" that they could all go away just by not eating gluten LOL But I can't WAIT!!!!

Well, ravenwoodglass has told us she had that condition that makes you purple (you may want to ask her about it) and among my 3 pages in a notebook list of bizarre symptoms, I also have had ridiculously frequent urination --but no solid medical reason--I've been checked many times (it's bladder compression from bowel swelling) and MANY people have eczema or psoriasis--I have a peeling scalp right now and sore eyes...what's up with that??...and so, Yup, it's no hoax!! BELIEVE IT BECAUSE IT's ALL CONNECTED, hon...and as you heal, you can watch them all disappear or get under control...keep the faith, kiddo....hang in there. I had a meltdown this weekend (it gets to me after a while and I just freakin scream and cry for a little bit because I am in horrible pain), but I know in my gut (pun intended :) that this crap may well start to resolve as we heal....talk to you soon!

frieze Community Regular

You truly ARE a gem, IrishHeart!

Yes, my height is definitely inconsistent with celiac.

I can't write too much back now, because...SURPRISE...I have to be back at work in an hour :( It was only 5hrs on my feet yesterday and I was dying, today is 8hrs.....

I guess it's just hard for me to believe I have celiac and/or that celiac can cause ALL these symptoms I have, because it really sounds too good to be true, ya know?? I also have livedo reticularis (just didn't know it had a name until a few days ago, but I've had it forever and HATE it, always purple), frequent urination, eczema every now and then, and I would get peely red patches around my mouth that my doctor thought was eczema but could never find a treatment that would really make it go away....there's just so many things, it sounds like a "hoax" that they could all go away just by not eating gluten LOL But I can't WAIT!!!!

livedo reticularis -----this can be related to lupus or antiphopholipid syndrome....

IrishHeart Veteran

livedo reticularis -----this can be related to lupus or antiphopholipid syndrome....

Frieze raises a really good point!!!...HEALING, hon...have you had any ANA blood panels done to rule out other autoimmune diseases??...I wonder about your hip pain, etc....please, ask your doctor!!!

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      @Bebygirl01, if you want to play word games with the term, "gluten", we can do that. The proteins you list in these other cereal grains besides wheat, barley and rye are somewhat different from that found in wheat, barley and rye and, technically speaking, are not "gluten". Technically speaking, "gluten" should only be applied to a particular protein found in wheat, barley and rye. These other cereal grain proteins have their own names (avenin, secalinin, zein, etc). Unfortunately, confusion has been created in popular and pseudo scientific literature by the informal use of the term "gluten" when talking about the proteins found in these other cereal grains such that you sometimes read about "corn gluten", "oat gluten", "rice gluten", etc. But these are actually misnomers, with "gluten" having been added on as an informal appendage to the actual protein names. Having said that, the protein structures of these other cereal grains is close enough to gluten that, for some people, they can cause a celiac type reaction. But this is not true for most celiacs and those who fall into the NCGS category. Apparently, it is true for you. This whole idea that cereal grains are bad for all of us has been popularized by books such as Dangerous Grains for years but it is not a widely accepted idea in the scientific community.
    • Bebygirl01
      On my Celiac journey and discovered I was also reacting to other types of gluten. The FDA in it's finite wisdom only classifies 'wheat, barley and rye' as the gluten's to be considered when a company tests for and stamps their products as gluten free. I am curious as to how many of you are aware of the other types of glutens? And another question to those on a 'traditional' gluten free diet , who are also still sick and struggling, are you also reacting to these other types of gluten as listed below? NOTE:  The new movement if you want to call it that, is now called 'grain free' and that is the true definition of gluten free. I no longer suffer with ataxia, confusion, anxiety, depression, OCD, Insomnia, ADD, acid reflux, dermatitis herpetiformis, migraines, headaches, and weight issues all due to going 'grain free'. I hope to reach as many of you out there that are still struggling and unaware of what might be setting you off such as my most recent glutening was from a vegan supplement that contained 'magnesium sterate' and 'glucose syrup' both of which are from Zien (zane) gluten at 55%. I was covered in sores that were bleeding, I was seeing squigly lines when I was trying to drive, had acid reflux, insomnia, and nightmares all from the gluten in Corn. Here are the other types of glutens that Celiacs and Gluten Intolerant people also react to: Wheat -Alpha Gliadin Gluten- 69% Rye - Secalinin gluten-30-50% Oats-Avenin gluten -16% Barley-Hordein Gluten -46-52% Millet-Panicin Gluten-40% Corn-Zien Gluten -55% Rice-Orzenin Gluten-5% Sorghum-Kafirin gluten-52% and Teff-Penniseiten Gluten 11%.
    • Scott Adams
      I just want to mention again that IF thimerosal is used in a flu vaccine the amount of ethylmercury in a single vaccine dose would be extremely small, typically around 25 micrograms (µg) or less. For context, this is much lower than the levels of methylmercury found in some seafood. Ethylmercury is metabolized and excreted from the body much faster than methylmercury. Its half-life in the blood is about 7 days, compared to methylmercury, which can persist for months. The dose of ethylmercury in vaccines is far below the threshold known to cause toxicity so would not require chelation.
    • knitty kitty
      If you have poor reactions to vaccines, preservatives, sugar alcohols and metals, you may be deficient in Thiamine Vitamin B1.  Thiamine is needed in the immune response and production of antibodies.  Thiamine can be depleted by vaccines if you are already low to begin with due to the Malabsorption of Celiac Disease.  Thiamine can be destroyed by sulfide preservatives in vaccines, which can result in the body's poor response to vaccines.  Thiamine also chelates metals which allows those metals to be removed in the feces.  Chelation removes thiamine from the body, resulting in a state of thiamine deficiency.  Sugar alcohols need to be processed through the liver using thiamine.  Again, if you're low in thiamine as many Celiac are because of the Malabsorption of celiac disease, vaccines can be a tipping point, resulting in a thiamine deficient state. High doses of Thiamine required to correct thiamine deficiency states are safe and nontoxic.  Thiamine has no toxicity level.  Thiamine and the other B vitamins need to be taken together because they interact together to sustain health.   References: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25542071/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8533683/
    • knitty kitty
      @Pasballard, Keep in mind those gluten free processed snacks are not required to have vitamins and minerals added to them to replace vitamins lost in processing like gluten containing products.   We need the eight essential B vitamins to turn those carbs into energy to fuel our bodies and make enzymes that sustain life.  Sudden weight gain (or weight loss) can be symptomatic of Thiamine Vitamin B1 deficiency.  Thiamine is the B vitamin with the shortest storage time, and so  thiamine deficiency shows up first with vague symptoms like weight gain or loss, fatigue, not sleeping well, achy or cramping muscles, digestive issues and headaches.   Taking vitamin and mineral supplements helps boost your body's ability to absorb these nutrients which keeps our bodies healthy.  B Complex vitamins and Vitamin D (which regulates inflammation) are usually low in people with Celiac disease.  Talk to your doctor and nutritionist about supplementing.
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