Jump to content
  • You are not alone. Join Celiac.com for trusted gluten-free answers and forum support.



  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):

Outgrowing Celiac


lipreader

Recommended Posts

lipreader Apprentice

Since my 3 1/2 year old daughter was diagnosed a couple of weeks ago, I can't tell you how many people have said they had celiac when they were younger and outgrew it. From everything I've read, this is impossible - right? I told them maybe it's because they were misdiagnosed; the tests back then can't be as good as they are now. But one relative said her husband was definitively diagnosed by a hospital (he's in his 50s now, I think).

So what can I say to these people? How do you explain these "diagnoses?"

Thanks!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



KaitiUSA Enthusiast

You can't outgrow celiac. You may go through a phase of your life where you have alot of symptoms then the symptoms go away in another phase of your life but no matter what it is still doing damage. Once you have it you have it...nothing you can do except follow the gluten free diet.

I've heard that alot too but they don't understand celiac. They obviously are misinformed. Tell them to come to this site and research it more to make sure they get their facts straight.

lovegrov Collaborator

One line from the National Institutes of Health consensus report on celiac says it all:

"The management of celiac disease is a gluten-free diet for life."

richard

skbird Contributor

Here's something I just posted to another thread:

A lot of food sensitivities are often temporary. But gluten is not a food sensitivity, it is an autoimmune reaction which is a whole other ball of wax. Once your body is trained to react that way to gluten, it will never forget. It's like when you get a flu shot - you get a weakened version of the flu virus injected and your body reacts by building an immune reaction to it. So then in the future, if you are exposed to the same virus, like someone else around you is sick with it, your body is already trained in what to do with that virus - it has the antibodies built up inside, ready to go. Gluten is the same as the virus in your body - your body sees it and says, oh, where are those antibodies - and the antibodies attack your body, instead of the gluten. It never forgets how to do this, even though it is an inappropriate reaction.

Maybe that explanation will help?

Stephanie

tarnalberry Community Regular

a few decades ago, doctors thought that you could outgrow it, since symptoms manifest differently in adults than children many times. we know now that this is wrong, but a lot of people were told incorrect information decades ago but still go by it.

lbsteenwyk Explorer

I usually tell people that there has been a lot of new research on celiac disease in the past decade and that we now have new information that children do not outgrow celiac disease. As Tarnalberry said, symptoms in adulthood often seem to resolve, but the autoimmune response is still occuring and still damaging the body. Teenagers often experience a period of having few if any symptoms and this is why doctors used to think that children outgrew the disease.

ryebaby0 Enthusiast

We have run into this too and I usually just say "Yeah, doctors used to think you could outgrow it, but the research has proven them wrong and modern doctors know you need to stay gluten-free permanently" and then we move the conversation along. I'm not sure what motivates those kind of comments! But let's not get started again on the "stupid things people have said" thread :)

Joanna


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



gf4life Enthusiast

I have one person I have encountered multiple times who keeps telling me about how her son had Celaic when he was a child, but he outgrew it. I have tried to tell her differently, but she has no intention of hearing what I have to say. As far as she is concerned her son is fine now and won't have to deal with that difficult diet again! The worst part about it is that she is a nurse. I wish that she would at least be open to learning that if her son starts to have other symptoms that he should be tested again and go back on the diet, but she is not hearing me at this time. I wish I knew her son personally. He might be open to hearing the information. Who knows, he might be having symptoms, but what grown man wants to discuss his "bathroom problems" with his mom! ;)

God bless,

Mariann

  • 7 years later...
icm Apprentice

There are at least three (3) factors required for celiac disease to be present.

Presence of genes

Presence of decreased intestinal integrity (i.e. something that alters the bacterial balance in the intestine)

Presence of gluten

I believe that there is a fourth factor as well that I won't go into for now.

What's important to realise is that some cases of celiac disease actually have gone into remission (possibly through the regaining of full intestinal integrity). This is very different from 'outgrowing' the disease as it is likely that as soon as 'leaky gut syndrome' strikes again there will almost certainly be a 'relapse'.

MitziG Enthusiast

Exactly. I was one of those who had several periods of "remission" throughout my teenage and young adult years. I had been told by doctors that I had outgrown my "wheat allergy" and since it didn't make me sick anymore I believed them. But celiac stays forever, sometimes quietly lurking, waiting for the next illness or stressful event to make it active again. It is frustrating when you talk to people who swear they or their children outgrew it. I simply tell them that doctors only recently learned that the disease never actually goes away, even when it seems dormant, and suggest they look into some recent research. Its pointles to send them to thei doctors- few of their doctors would even recognize the fact.

come dance with me Enthusiast

No, it cannot be outgrown. It does not go away. Some allergies may, asthma possibly can, but not Coeliac Disease, not diabetes either. I encounter this with my daughter's Autism too, people telling me they knew someone was "a little bit autistic" as a child who outgrew it. No, they may have learnt to manage it, but it never goes away. Some things are for life. People need to keep up with the current research.

  • 3 weeks later...
Skysmom03 Newbie

I don't feel the risk of lymphoma or melanoma or another type of cancer is worth the risk of letting my child eat gluten again. Even if he has no symptoms from eating it one or twice .... Could just be that he isn't that "sensitive" to it.

1974girl Enthusiast

The risk if lymphoma and infertility is why I keep my 12 year old silent celiac gluten free. She could eat a loaf of bread with no problem. I understand how 98% are undiagnosed. However, sometimes I wonder if I have traded one cancer risk for another. I cook her food on aluminum foil and supposedly that's bad. She also eats rice in some form almost every meal. Now I read about arsenic. I hope I am not just trading one thing for another.

mushroom Proficient

The risk if lymphoma and infertility is why I keep my 12 year old silent celiac gluten free. She could eat a loaf of bread with no problem. I understand how 98% are undiagnosed. However, sometimes I wonder if I have traded one cancer risk for another. I cook her food on aluminum foil and supposedly that's bad. She also eats rice in some form almost every meal. Now I read about arsenic. I hope I am not just trading one thing for another.

If every day you followed the health advice for that particular day, you would drive yourself crazy. :blink: You would be doing what you weren't doing yesterday, and not doing what you were doing yesterday. All you can do is apply a reasoned mind and weigh the balance of the evidence and do what you think is best. :D

shadowicewolf Proficient

The risk if lymphoma and infertility is why I keep my 12 year old silent celiac gluten free. She could eat a loaf of bread with no problem. I understand how 98% are undiagnosed. However, sometimes I wonder if I have traded one cancer risk for another. I cook her food on aluminum foil and supposedly that's bad. She also eats rice in some form almost every meal. Now I read about arsenic. I hope I am not just trading one thing for another.

In my opinion, we'll all die of something someday. So it isn't worth worrying over such things (such as the rice).

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - suek54 replied to BelleDeJour's topic in Dermatitis Herpetiformis
      17

      Dermatitis Herpetiformis - follow up dermatology appointment coming up

    2. - knitty kitty replied to BelleDeJour's topic in Dermatitis Herpetiformis
      17

      Dermatitis Herpetiformis - follow up dermatology appointment coming up

    3. - BelleDeJour replied to BelleDeJour's topic in Dermatitis Herpetiformis
      17

      Dermatitis Herpetiformis - follow up dermatology appointment coming up

    4. - knitty kitty replied to BelleDeJour's topic in Dermatitis Herpetiformis
      17

      Dermatitis Herpetiformis - follow up dermatology appointment coming up

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      134,121
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      10,442

    foxymama564
    Newest Member
    foxymama564
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.7k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • suek54
      Hi KnittyKitty, Like Belle I have read all your info with great interest and made notes to do a bit of research. It really is a minefield isn't it? Im already on that autoimmune bandwagon you mention - vitiligo, premature ovarian failure (at 39), hypothyroidism, Addison's and now dermatitis herpetiformis. I'm stopping there,  any more would just be greedy don't you think!😂 One of my two brothers had rheumatoid arthritis, his daughter has MS, my other brother had pernicious anaemia, all autoimmune. The force seems to be strong in our family. Interestingly,  my grandmother had frequent bouts of sickness and diarrhoea all her life, poor love. No-one ever got to the bottom of it. I wonder if she too had coeliacs? dermatitis herpetiformis is horrid but the dapsone 100mg has now cleared my skin. Im still getting some itching and prickling, but nothing to see. Im hoping that will stop in time. My bloods are holding well, no side effects that I'm aware of.  You seem to have access to a lot more tests in the USA than we do here in UK. Our NHS is brilliant but only with private health insurance could we get all the tests you mention. Hey ho, perhaps I'll win the lottery then I shall have the whole raft of tests.  Thank you so much for all the info.  Sue      
    • knitty kitty
      @BelleDeJour, The genetics are fascinating.  I'm very curious about what your genetic test would show.  My dad was a smoker, too.  Tobacco acts as an antihistamine.  Histamine levels increase in the immune response to gluten.  My mother had headaches, gastro symptoms, and thyroid problems.  She developed nodules and had to have her thyroid removed.  This is common in thirty percent of patients with Hashimoto's thyroiditis.  I've got two Celiac genes, so they both must have had Celiac.    The thyroid and the pancreas use a great deal of thiamine, as do the brain and heart.  Thiamine deficiency can be localized in one organ.  Thiamine deficiency localized in the digestive system, Gastrointestinal Beriberi, has the same symptoms as Celiac Disease, abdominal pain, acid reflux, bloating, sibo, gastroparesis, diarrhea and constipation.  Thiamine deficiency localized in the pancreas reduces insulin production and results in diabetes.  In the thyroid, Hashimoto's is related to thiamine deficiency.  Headaches and migraines can be a result of thiamine deficiency.  My mother at 67 developed Glioblastoma Multiforme, brain cancer.  My dad had a Triple A (Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm) which is also linked to thiamine deficiency.  It was caught in time, but he later died of pneumonia after chemo for lung cancer at 81.  Thiamine deficiency is commonly found in all types of cancer.   I'm so glad you're going to look into Benfotiamine.  Do take all the rest of the B vitamins as well as Benfotiamine.  They all work together, but Thiamine also does a whole bunch of wonderful stuff by itself, so taking more than just the recommended daily allowance is beneficial.  Our metabolic need for thiamine increases when we're sick, emotionally stressed, or exercise regularly.  Thiamine in all its forms is safe and nontoxic.  There's no upper limit.  I've been taking high dose thiamine for over a decade.  Do get checked for other nutritional deficiencies like Vitamins D, A, and C, all very important in skin health, as well as magnesium (works with thiamine) and iron. I love your comment about "digesting the wealth of information" and it being gluten free!   There's no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.  So thankful I can share the wealth!   Do keep us posted on your progress!
    • BelleDeJour
      @knitty kitty thank you so much for that wealth of information which I shall take time to digest (because it's gluten free 😀). I will make notes in preparation of my Derm appointment next week. The genetic link is interesting. My parents both died 20 years ago, in their mid-60's. Both were always very active, healthy diet etc. but my father was a smoker (always smoked outside, even when we were children). My mother died from pancreatic cancer at 64 and always had problematic gastro symptoms from childhood - and regular migraines, used to complain of bloating. I had a 'lightbulb' moment a few weeks ago and I do really feel she may have been Celiac.  The iodine used in dyes is interesting, it could have been that in the sweets - they were RED! 🫢 I had read about B vitamins being good for dermatitis herpetiformis before and am taking them (I think it's just a B vitamin combination I have currently). I will look into getting Benfotiamine.    
    • knitty kitty
      @BelleDeJour, Have you thought about keeping a food mood poo'd journal?  Recording what and when you eat can help pinpoint possible culprits for your outbreaks.  A red dye additive used in some foods and drinks contains iodine.   Have you considered getting a genetic test to look for Celiac genes?  Having Celiac genes and a positive response to a gluten free diet can be used as part of a diagnosis of Celiac Disease without undergoing a gluten challenge.   Do get checked for Diabetes.  Activated Neutrophils are involved in making dermatitis herpetiformis blisters and they are also found in Diabetes.  Apparently, high glucose levels contribute to activating Neutrophils.  People with dermatitis herpetiformis have a 22% increased risk of developing Diabetes.  One study found a majority of people with dermatitis herpetiformis have four or more autoimmune diseases (Addison's, dermatitis herpetiformis, Diabetes, and thyroiditis being the most common). I have dermatitis herpetiformis and I developed Type Two Diabetes.  Ninety-eight percent of diabetics are deficient in Thiamine.  I changed my diet to the AutoImmune Protocol Diet and took Benfotiamine, a form of thiamine, that has been shown to increase insulin sensitivity.  I no longer have any symptoms of diabetes. Because half of Celiacs carry the MTHFR mutation, I supplement with methylated B vitamins.  Many of the B vitamins, including thiamine in the form Benfotiamine, improve the neuropathy that goes along with dermatitis herpetiformis (that itchiness without a blemish).   I take additional Thiamine in the form Benfotiamine and Thiamine TTFD (tetrahydrofurfuryl disulfide).  Benfotiamine promotes intestinal health.  Thiamine TTFD improves Gluten Ataxia, brain fog, and fatigue.   I use J. Crow's  Lugol's iodine because I have had hypothyroidism.  It's rapidly absorbed through the skin, so it doesn't trigger the immune system in the digestive system.  Thiamine deficiency is also found in Hashimoto's thyroiditis.   And... Thiamine has been shown to calm down Neutrophils.  Calmed down Neutrophils don't make dermatitis herpetiformis blisters.  My skin has improved so much!   Hope this helps!  
    • coeliacmamma
      Thankyou all for your replies this has helped massively 
×
×
  • Create New...